Surely since they are soo concerned about voter fraud.
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Surely since they are soo concerned about voter fraud.
Did that one also have millions of mail in votes?
Oh the gawd fearin gun totin freedom fighters have uncovered decades of computer tabulation fraud by the evil cabals.
Don't you know?
MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL VOTESQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
(alleged, never proven)
What's your conspiracy theory here, Karrin?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
(calling the 2016 election crooked was a signature Trumpism, it looks like he's repeating the mannerism.)
BBUTTHERUSSIANS!!!
she conceded the morning after the election :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
no legal challenges to the results
I'm all for Trump conceding he got his butt kicked. This shit is dumb.
Refresh my memory please.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Surely with the close results in 2016 the Trumpies were parading for a recount, right?
Because they are all about the integrity of the elections, right?
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Agreed on both accounts, but with a caveat.
She has since expressed regret that she did concede and told Biden not to concede, no matter what.
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Agreed on both accounts, but with a caveat.
She has since expressed regret that she did concede and told Biden not to concede, no matter what.
Um, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
https://ballotpedia.org/Analysis_of_...ing,_2016-2018Quote:
Numerically, absentee/mail-in ballots made up roughly 33 million of the 140 million ballots counted in the 2016 general election and 28 million of the 120 million counted in 2018.
link to her regret?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamStone
and as far as i'm aware, her advice not to concede was limited to election day itself (nov 3) until mail in ballots were counted. and she was right. a concession on nov 3 would have been absurd and premature given what unfolded that whole week as votes were tallied
lol Karrin
What these states need to do is allow for early counting of mail ins to avoid the week delay. Florida was able to count weeks in advance..
:lol Karrin with another self ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Just an absolutely perfect example of how the MAGA cult lures in stupid people.
When you're off by 33 million on your estimate of the number of mail-in votes cast in a previous election, you're a convenient rube to convince that mail-in votes were manipulated en masse to swing the election in the opposing candidate's favor.
Knowledge is power.
It’s revisionist history to act like Democrats (outside of maybe a few fringe examples who aren’t politically relevant) ever claimed Russians literally altered vote counting or directly impacted results. The accusations against Russia were for spreading disinformation to change the hearts and minds of voters, not to make it so a ballot cast for Clinton either didn’t count at all or counted as a ballot cast for Trump. It’s another intellectually dishonest bad faith comparison by Republicans who want to play the whataboutism card.
According to right wing legend and lore, any post-election investigation of Trump was a de facto attempt "to reverse the election."Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
The regret part isn’t something she said specifically. I thought it was obvious that she regretted the fact she conceded. But if you believe differently, I won’t challenge that opinion. Just an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
As far as not conceding limited to Election Day, I haven’t read or heard that anywhere. Here’s what she said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...under-n1238156Quote:
“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said in an interview...”
To me, that doesn’t sound like don’t concede “limited to only Election Day” or until all mail ballots are counted, particularly with the “drag out” comment. If I’m inferring her intent, I would guess that means to not concede at least until votes are certified. But that is my inference, and it is only an inference. I certainly don’t believe it meant wait just one day.
The president should always concede when he loses. If it was a problem with the election it should be figured out after the fact. Just an indication how much personal wealth and power is associated with that office and all of the little minions that suck up around him in the party are part and parcel of that entire shit show.
but what is this opinion based on?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamStone
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As far as not conceding limited to Election Day, I haven’t read or heard that anywhere. Here’s what she said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...under-n1238156
To me, that doesn’t sound like don’t concede “limited to only Election Day” or until all mail ballots are counted, particularly with the “drag out” comment. If I’m inferring her intent, I would guess that means to not concede at least until votes are certified. But that is my inference, and it is only an inference. I certainly don’t believe it meant wait just one day.
starting around 33 seconds she starts talking about absentee ballots, and then at 42 seconds she mentions republicans having a lead on election day. goes on to say that biden shouldnt concede because they think he'll ultimately win. i thought it was pretty heavily implied she was referring to that red mirage scenario
I think she regrets conceding so quickly back then. You don’t think she regrets conceding? It’s an opinion based on what I think she feels. If it was based on anything other than my personal opinion, anything more tangible, I would have offered that the first time you asked. Like I said, I figured it was obvious. If she had to do it over again, I believe she would have let things play out longer, similar to what’s going on right now with Trump. Probably not this long, but certainly not conceding the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Sure, I guess. I still hear “under no circumstances.” And to me, I just see that certification of election results as the deadline for all that shit. All this bullshit Trump and his team are throwing against the wall, as stupid as it is, has an expiration date. It’s state certification of the election results.Quote:
starting around 33 seconds she starts talking about absentee ballots, and then at 42 seconds she mentions republicans having a lead on election day. goes on to say that biden shouldnt concede because they think he'll ultimately win. i thought it was pretty heavily implied she was referring to that red mirage scenario
Let me make this clear. I do think this entire thing a shit show. And it makes no sense from Trumps’s standpoint. Should Trump have already conceded? Absolutely, yes. I also believe that even if he didn’t want to concede, he should have at least agreed to allow the GSA to release the transition funds and to allow for the transition process to begin, without actually “conceding.” That way, at least it didn’t obstruct that whole process from going more smoothly.
If he had done that, if the GSA had done that, then the rest of this not conceding, recount, voter fraud lawsuits bullshit would be fine imo. It looks stupid. He looks stupid. America looks stupid. But at least it would not have so negatively affected the transition process. And then once all the states certified the election results, then it would be done with. Either way, that’s when all of it can and should stop, with certification.
she had no legitimate basis to contest anything though. claiming there was foreign interference on social media that impacted votes doesnt constitute legal grounds to invalidate votes. i dont know man, i just dont see it other than trying to be all "both sides"y about itQuote:
Originally Posted by JamStone
i'd feel differently if the reason for not conceding is because margins were so close that recounts were going to play a pivotal role like they did in 2000 where it came within a few hundred votes in a big state.Quote:
Sure, I guess. I still hear “under no circumstances.” And to me, I just see that certification of election results as the deadline for all that shit. All this bullshit Trump and his team are throwing against the wall, as stupid as it is, has an expiration date. It’s state certification of the election results.
Let me make this clear. I do think this entire thing a shit show. And it makes no sense from Trumps’s standpoint. Should Trump have already conceded? Absolutely, yes. I also believe that even if he didn’t want to concede, he should have at least agreed to allow the GSA to release the transition funds and to allow for the transition process to begin, without actually “conceding.” That way, at least it didn’t obstruct that whole process from going more smoothly.
If he had done that, if the GSA had done that, then the rest of this not conceding, recount, voter fraud lawsuits bullshit would be fine imo. It looks stupid. He looks stupid. America looks stupid. But at least it would not have so negatively affected the transition process. And then once all the states certified the election results, then it would be done with. Either way, that’s when all of it can and should stop, with certification.
Fuck Shillary. She needs to stay away.
Eh, the mess we’re in now was going to happen at some point in history. You know that at some point one president was going to attempt his hand at authoritarianism.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
The important part is how that’s dealt with going forward. We got lucky with Trump being a dumb faggot who showed his cards non stop and couldn’t play the game.
> authoritarianismQuote:
Originally Posted by Reck
For example?
I can think of one. Threatening people if they invite too many people to Thanksgiving dinner or dare to sing.
Trying to invalidate a fair and legal election by tweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
"the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom."Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not authoritative.
Sure it is. Trump is advocating obedience to his authority at the expense of our being free of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
He is still President til Jan 20thQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
How is he taking away your freedom?
Coping thread.
Wisconsin says recount would cost Trump campaign $7.9 million
The Wisconsin Elections Commission said the cost of running a statewide recount for the presidential election will be $7.9 million — a fee that Trump’s campaign would be required to pay upfront if he wishes to request a recount in the state.
Under Wisconsin law, the state will pay for a recount if one candidate wins by 0.25 percent or less. When the threshold of victory is under 1 percent, however, the losing candidate can request a recount — provided they agree to pay in advance. Unofficial results show Biden defeated Trump in Wisconsin by about 20,500 votes, or 0.6 percent.
In 2016, Wisconsin was the only state to conduct a full recount after Green Party candidate Jill Stein requested one and agreed to pay nearly $3.5 million. In a statement, Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator Meagan Wolfe said costs are higher this year because of the need for larger venues for the recount to allow for social distancing, the costs of processing more absentee ballots and the need to pay employees to work over the Thanksgiving holiday.
By state law, Wisconsin counties must complete a canvass of local results by Tuesday. The Trump campaign will have until 5 p.m. Wednesday to submit a petition asking for a statewide recount, as well as the $7.9 million payment.
Wolfe said Monday that should the recount be requested, a recount order would be issued Thursday, starting a 13-day window for local counties to complete the process. Counties would submit the results of their local recounts by Dec. 1 — allowing the election to be certified on that day, as required under Wisconsin law.
Asked if the campaign would pay the fee and seek the recount, Jenna Ellis, a legal adviser to the Trump campaign, said, “The legal team continues to examine the issues with irregularities in Wisconsin and are leaving all legal options open, including a recount and an audit.”
The campaign has identified no specific irregularities in Wisconsin.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...-live-updates/
He's planning on staying at the expense of my being free of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostKing
Trump lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
:cry Illegal Votes Matter :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Which votes were illegal, derp?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Step up.