Curious to see the different opinions tbh
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Curious to see the different opinions tbh
I’ll take it.
But right away? Probably not.
As a public health doctor unless you have a medical reason for excluding (that will be part of labeling) you should take. US tests and approves vaccines effectively and while there may be rare side effects has a program for that as well. There will be vaccine hesitancy with these vaccines but sadly will be due a lot of disinformation.
If either gets FDA approval then yeah, as soon as people my age are able to.
yes
Derp will be in line on opening day.
Choice #3 is implied by choice #1 anyways if you're not 65+ or a healthcare worker.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Millions of people are going to get it before I do, so I'll know if they start dying and coming back as pedophile communist zombies.
Nope. Not anhtime soon.
LOL taking a warp speed vaccine that was rushed for economic reasons :lol especially since theres less than 1% chance of dying
That being said if I was pushing 65 plus or had serious health issues then yes I would.
I would probably take the vaccine next fall if nigas dont start growing pig tails
IT WAS OPENING WEEKENDQuote:
Originally Posted by mono
I should have natural immunity now, but I would get it. My demographic will be the last in line tho.
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Originally Posted by hater
Your an example of the barriers a vaccine faces and not going to try to change your opinion but just going to say science is not on your side. Vaccines will save countless lives and reduce morbidity as well. But many will not take but hoping enough do for herd immunity to kick in.
If Based Fauci says it's ok, I'll take it
After everyone who needs it more
once there's FDA approval its a layup decision, though i dont think i'd be among the first few groups of people it is rolled out for
wonder if i can get a free microchip if i pre-order the vaccine
Disagreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
I have no problems with a normal vaccine (polio, hepatitis, tb, etc)
This one is different. It was rushed and everyone knows it. And the main reason it was rushed was for economic reasons, not medical. The test sample sizes and shortened timeframe are proof.
Doctors equating anti vaxers with people that have concers like mine is what is going to create the barriers.
Lol 30k 6 week sample size :lol
Of course there will be priority groups and those need it most at first. The death rate is above one percent some groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
Your opinion will not change goal is to vaccinate as many as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Your opinion will not change goal is to take a solidly tested safe vaccine, not a Trump warpspeed one. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
Your voting in six states for Herr Soros should bump you up in line quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
I'm shocked you haven't gotten your Gates/Clinton chip yet. I've had one since I donated my crawlspace to the Silsby Underground Railroad.
I see both his side and yours. There’s a reason most vaccines take years until they’re approved and distributed. You can’t know if side effects of a rushed vaccine aren’t possible a year from now because the trials haven’t lasted a long enough time. Is it rare that something could happen, sure. But it’s also rare that covid is going to give someone of his age any serious problems. So if there’s a 1% chance of him having a serious health issue from getting covid, but a 2% chance that the vaccine gives him a serious health issue, then he’s within his right to have a differing opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
Not to mention then virus mutation scenario. Which is likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Pelican
This vaccine might not work a few months from now vs mutated Covid. No matter what pharma doctors tell you. Facts are facts
I am 99% sure they will turn this "vaccine" into a yearly flu shot like money making scheme.
Id rather root for treatments for now imho
You all make salient points but I will take vaccine early due to my work and hope many do - with respect
I’m not in a priority group. When it’s available to me, yes.
Yes in large part because as some have suggested already, by the time I’ll be eligible to take it, I believe enough time will have passed and enough people will have taken it to get a pretty good idea not only of the practical efficacy but also possible side effects.
treatment is great. but if we have a vaccine available and no real treatment, then its common sense to take what's available. even if you are not particularly vulnerable, you could still be a spreader. all the herd immunity shit people were talking about all year? a vaccine goes a long way to getting thereQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Respect :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
You cant compare vaccines to treatments.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
A vaccine has to work like a charm from day 1. Anything else and you have set yourself up for massive failure.
Treatments on the other hand can change and improve daily. Imo
of course you cant compare them. but if only one is available and the other is not, its a pretty easy fucking choice. and why does it have to be either/or?Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
for somebody who loves jerking off to the covid case/death numbers, its pretty amazing how anti-vax you are about it :lol
Depends on how many Bill Gates/Jooooos microchips it comes with. Anything less than 3 means it's probably a placebo, tbh...
You just compared them again Nancy :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Will also probably weigh in the O'Keefe sekrit videos of healthcare workers turning into zombies after taking the vaccine that the MSM doesn't want you to know about.
Soros is making us to get it if we want to keep being on his payroll so I have no choice sadly.
Hopefully your liver fails before they waste a vaccine on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
It seems clear even from the press releases that there is no vaccine induced enhancement, which is the only real concern I had about a rushed vaccine. So I'll take it once it is widely available to the general public. I won't take it while it is in limited availability since I don't actually need it.
:tu we rarely agree on anything but yes respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
Me and my family will take the vacine as soon as it is available for us. Now I won't take a Bolsonaro russian vaccine, I'll probably go after any vaccine validated by French administration and/or FDA approval under a Biden administration.
Some arguments are quite silly... virus will mutate yeah of course but that's also the case every year of the flu and vaccine is still efficient. We won't get out this situation without a large portion of the population vaccined.
If everyone waits for the others to do so, we will discuss covid for next 5 years.
US is in a shitty place, you already have a large number of people not using vaccine because of autism :lmao smh... plus people who want to wait. We may see the planet being done with the virus and US still fighting it.
1. LOL thinking only US has people who wont take the vaccine. Russia has similar numbers of vaccine doubters. And France, even worse, 2/3s wont take it :lol https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/16/...e-euronews-polQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
2. Why would a healthy person rush to take a vaccine next spring when they might need a 2nd one for next fall :lol seems stupid, makes more sense to just wait for next fall for an improved safer version
3. :lol thinking Biden would make any difference in FDA vaccine approval
Choice 1 is for libtards/sheep
Choice 2 is for MAGAtards
Choice 3 is for libertarians
Jo Jorgensen for President, tbh. :tu
Personally, yes, as soon as it’s available to me.
As an aside, I’ve worked in the construction industry for many years now and I deal with a tremendous amount of extreme right type folks. Most all of them worship Trump and wouldn’t vote for a democrat if their lives depended on it, but almost everyone I’ve asked this question to have responded with a passionate ‘NO’. They don’t trust the vaccine due to various reasons (govt tracking conspiracies, not enough testing, vaccines are bad).
You’d think they’d be all for it cause Trump is touting the vaccine but they’re not.
bro.. french will take the vaccine if validated by ministere de la sante in function of results and side effects confirmation, France still believes in science bro. also :lol euronewsQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
for the rest you can put all the :lol you want the fact you might need another one by fall does not prevent people to get a shot now. I believe Biden will not make any difference in FDA vaccine one cannot say about the same about Trump and his administration
I should get CME medical credit for reading this thread - actually pretty fair and balanced and pretty informative. The key part of the vaccine IMO is getting it early into high risk groups on voluntary basis and then it will play out based on many factors including how prevalent the virus is, any publicity on side effects which there always are some; and how good health officials and others can overcome vaccine hesitancy which is a real issue and likely to be one regardless of the safety and efficacy of the vaccine (s) released. I work in the federal sector and know many good people strategizing how to overcome barriers and it will be an interesting challenge.
you're a trumperQuote:
Originally Posted by Millennial_Messiah
I didn't vote for Trump either election cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
you're a trumperQuote:
Originally Posted by Millennial_Messiah
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-rages-making/Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
French 'world's most reluctant' to take Covid vaccine as debate rages over making it compulsory
France comes bottom of 15-country poll on who would take a Covid vaccine amid political calls to make it compulsory
:lmao :lol brazil :lol :lol :lmao
I worked previously at the approval agency as a deputy director in approvals, albeit not in vaccines, and I personally have faith in their oversight as they have many good scientists and leaders. The larger potential issues are manufacturing, distribution and vaccine hesitancy - one can have the best vaccine from trials but getting it produced, distributed, and accepted may be very challenging. But it is possible as many working hard on issues
Belarus’s beleaguered government remains unfazed by covid-19. President Aleksander Lukashenko, who has been in power since 1994, has flatly denied the seriousness of the pandemic, refusing to impose a lockdown, close schools, or cancel mass events like the Belarusian football league or the Victory Day parade.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Yet the country’s death rate is among the lowest in Europe—just over 700 in a population of 9.5 million with over 73 000 confirmed cases and no masks
And yet you fold.
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Originally Posted by tholdren
https://time.com/5912966/pfizer-vacc...authorization/
Ready or not they are working to get rapid approval soon then it will get interesting to see how many take.
The medical experts told us there was nothing to worry about in January and Feb. In March they told us dont wear a mask its bad. Now they tell us to go ahead take the vaccine its game ready and very safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
Yeah, i will do extensive research and wait at least 6 months after general release before even considering taking any vaccine.
Dr Rump. Got a question on some of these vaccines. Some idiot buddies of mine are against it because they say it contains dead fetus genomes. I tell them it doesnt. But was probably created using some dead baby genetic material. But thats no huge deal since fetuses are used for many medical innovations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
What else would you say to these morons? :lol
Yeah I'm taking it. I ain't a fucking pussy.:lol
you are absolutely wrong about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
some medical experts did, not all.
and we did not know anything about this disease.
go read about the history of aids and how long it took to determine that it was a virus and then actually identifyIng the virus.
we are so much further along from a molecular standpoint it’s amazing. but as far as actually predicting the future in biology, that’s still extraordinarily difficult because, wait for it, people are different genetically. add to that the variations in the conditions we are subjected to when the virus is present and you have a very difficult job.
Science is working as it is supposed to, politicians make decisions. Again, getting things wrong in science means we are a likely step closer to getting things right.
you are another one that has no idea how difficult a task this is. from epidemiology to the molecular biology required to just have the hope that the vaccine might work in a myriad of different bodies. Old Joe needs to explain the above to the public, not attempt to create confusion like our last leader.
it’s very disconcerting that Trump has made it en vogue to be a knucklehead.
And I’m all in give it to me.
Wait a second, I might turn purple and get really fat.
fckn idiots... You all have had vaccines and you give them to your pets willingly.
Who on here has not had a tetanus vaccine?
You actually are if you rushing to take a vaccine for an illness that kills .05% of peeps :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan
Thats pretty much how all vaccines work but that amounts to millions of people dead and long lasting debilitating post complications for an even bigger number. You only got one life. You don't roll the dice on something you don't need too. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
I get the flu vaccine and I have never had the flu. (Virtue signal; I believe in a PUBLIC response)Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Why?
How many times does this need to be pounded into the brain of a selfish idiot...
Do you ever interact with older people or others with pre-existing conditions who could be more vulnerable?Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Does it/they work?
Are it/they safe? (BigPharma has paid many $10Bs for people maimed or killed by their unsafe shit)
So you dont get the flu vaccine because big pharma?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Nope. Polio, hepatitis, TB are serious illnesses that can destroy most peeps. Not to mention those vaccines took years (or decades) to developQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan
Not really. Ill be wearing a mask and testing for the next few months. And so will my old relatives. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
The development of a vaccine for any disease is theoretically going to come much faster NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
If it works actually requires people trying it in very large numbers. You wont do that because... you might turn purple.
You work with all these %s and then fail to answer how likely is the vaccine itself going to hurt me and then deem it, very likely.
You still have the antivaccer immediate Autism in your head.
You'd developing countries with no funds. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Then we dont even need a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Case closed.
You are so disingenuous, the perfect Trumper.
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Originally Posted by Titan
I will take it as soon as possible, granted it's properly approved.
I do not want to get this shit. And I'm in decent shape, non obese.
Young*Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Huh? So US would do fine with a polio or TB outbreak? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan
No I said you comparing a young and developing countries with limited funding vs the whole world with advance technologies and unlimited funds. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
With enough antivaccers like you it could be a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Which makes no sense why you say that. 1st world countries still rely on the same polio, tb vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan
I'm saying all vaccines are good. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Not really theres a long list of botched vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan
April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covi...wF_zzwHnE7iPAc
Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’
PUBLISHED MON, NOV 23 20204:19 PM ESTUPDATED 42 MIN AGO
KEY POINTS
- The CDC must be transparent about the side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC advisors.
- Dr. Sandra Fryhofer said that both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses and she worries whether her patients will come back for a second dose because of potentially unpleasant side effects after the first shot.
- Both companies acknowledged that their vaccines could induce side effects that are similar to symptoms associated with mild Covid-19, such as muscle pain, chills and headache.
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/imag...74&w=678&h=381
A volunteer is injected with a vaccine as he participates in a coronavirus disease (COVID-19) vaccination study at the Research Centers of America, in Hollywood, Florida, September 24, 2020.
Marco Bello | Reuters
Public health officials and drugmakers must be transparent about the side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a coronavirusvaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC advisors as states prepare to distribute doses as early as next month.
Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association noted that both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses at varying intervals. As a practicing physician, she said she worries whether her patients will come back for a second dose because of the potentially unpleasant side effects they may experience after the first shot.
“We really need to make patients aware that this is not going to be a walk in the park,” Fryhofer said during a virtual meeting with the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, an outside group of medical experts that advise the CDC. She is also a liaison to the committee. “They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not going to feel wonderful. But they’ve got to come back for that second dose.”
Participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials told CNBC in September that they were experiencing high fever, body aches, bad headaches, daylong exhaustion and other symptoms after receiving the shots. While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, the participants said they often went away after a day, sometimes sooner, and that it was better than getting Covid-19.
Both companies acknowledged that their vaccines could induce side effects that are similar to symptoms associated with mild Covid-19, such as muscle pain, chills and headache.
One North Carolina woman in the Moderna study who is in her 50s said she didn’t experience a fever but suffered a bad migraine that left her drained for a day and unable to focus. She said she woke up the next day feeling better after taking Excedrin but added that Moderna may need to tell people to take a day off after a second dose.
“If this proves to work, people are going to have to toughen up,” she said. “The first dose is no big deal. And then the second dose will definitely put you down for the day for sure. ... You will need to take a day off after the second dose.”
During the meeting on Monday, Patsy Stinchfield, a Children’s Minnesota nurse practitioner, said officials and drugmakers could try talking about the side effects in a more positive way. She said they could use language such as “response” instead of “adverse reaction.”
“These are immune responses,” said Stinchfield, a past voting member of the committee. “And so if you feel something after vaccination, you should expect to feel that. When you do, it’s normal to have some arm soreness or fatigue, some body aches and maybe even a fever. It sounds like in some of these trials, maybe even having to stay home from work.”
“You hear some people in the trials that are disappointed that they didn’t have any of those things, feeling they must have gotten a placebo,” she added.
The committee meeting comes three days after Pfizer and its partner BioNTech applied for an emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for their coronavirus vaccine.
The FDA process is expected to take a few weeks, and an advisory committee meeting to review the vaccine has been scheduled for early December. Some Americans could get their first dose of the vaccine in about a month.
ACIP is expected to call an emergency meeting to make specific recommendations on distribution once the FDA authorizes a vaccine.
Federal agencies are already sending vaccination plans around to staff. Five agencies have started telling employees they could receive Pfizer’s or Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine in as little as eight weeks, a person with firsthand knowledge of those plans told CNBC on Friday.
Thats probably less dangerous than the diseases still. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Saw that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Pelican
Its funny the volunteers said side effects were no fun but its better than getting covid. How do they know? Most infected are asymptomatic
DisagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan
hater flip flops on vaccines and COVID safety after being completely wrong about Trump.
Never flip flopped. You most likely did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I always said vacvines are good but a hyper warp speed one needs to be watched carefully.
Chump lies again
FalseQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3
:lmao hater gets defensive after flip flopping after being completely wrong about Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Lol chump foldsQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wgntv.c...-approval/amp/
In case you want to hear experts discuss
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...vid-19-vaccine
seasonal flu shots, already taken my 100Ms, are "safe", but only 50% effective, fighting last season's strains, not this season's.Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
covid vaccine has been taken by only a few thousand, "self-reported" as effective, impossible to know long term effects in the short term.
I probably won't be able to get a covid vaccine shot for many months, and after 100Ks have, so that should demonstrate effectiveness and safety "in the wild"
BigPharma has maimed and killed many 100Ks, probably more, paid $10Bs.
ALL of their shit has been "FDA-approved", FDA being just another govt agency operating under "regulatory capture".
You raise some salient points but I will be among the first to take due to my work and have FDA experience (but not in vaccines). They do have a lot of hard working scientists and doctors trying to evaluate the information. The advisory panel will be interesting if you get a chance to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Let us know if you die from the vaccine, ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
Sure I was an Army public health doctor and traveled a lot and have had so many scarier vaccines in my life including some that were not FDA approved at least for general usage at the time. So not worried.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post10349602
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=286342
The Huge Problems with the Covid Vaccine -- Bobby Kennedy, Jr.
https://www.brighteon.com/7a6b5e70-e...f-ee850c062375
I've only watched this until the 22:00 time mark but it looks good so I'm posting it without having watched the whole thing.
COVID-19 vaccine is "the" soul damning vaccine
https://www.brighteon.com/8f1250c3-6...6-dbeadc6e4e1f
More here.
https://www.brighteon.com/new-search...1&uploaded=all
I'm afraid to take any vaccine considering what's been happening in the last few years.
Most people who aren't in a high-risk group who were out in public a lot back in February and March and didn't get it probably won't ever get it according to what medical experts say in the alternative press. I think we'd have to be crazy to take the vaccine.
Shoulda kept the dislike post button for losers like Cosmoretard
The mRNA ones write themselves into yer DNA and implant a microchip so you can be tracked. The oxford vaccine is made out of a chimpanzee virus and chimpanzees are where the AIDS came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmored
The Deep State is disappointed with you. You'll be hearing from us soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
I'll be Standing By sirQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Called it on vaccine:
US vaccine head:
"The longer, more important kind of adverse events such as some autoimmune disease or others have not been reported in a different way between the placebo group and the vaccine group in these two trials, which is very reassuring," he told The Washington Post. "I always make sure we say that [while] we know the short term and I'm going to call it midterm effects of the vaccine is now well understood, the very long-term safety is not yet understood by definition."
No. I called it on the vaccine. Me.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
You were wrong.
https://i.imgur.com/2ushmkL.png
Um there is no vaccine yet ma n8gaQuote:
Originally Posted by Splits
There are prototypes being tested. Thats not a vaccine. It wi be longer than 18 minths for a reliable proven tested vaccine.
So therefore....
I called it
Me
You could be a part of Trump's election defense team with an argument like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
You were wrong.
I called it in April, 12 months or less.
Deal with it.
Called what? There is no vaccine yet ma noga. And most americans wont be able to get one until fall next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Splits
You must be in Trumps hyper super duper vaccine team :lol
As soon as the FDA approves a vaccine, there's a vaccine. I specifically said "I more worry about how you manufacture a billion doses". You never made the caveats you're making now, because that's not what you were calling at the time. In April when we were talking about the science, it was "pathetically unrealistic", I called you out and my call was correct. Your call was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
But go ahead, re-write a history that everyone can go back and read for themselves.
"As soon"Quote:
Originally Posted by Splits
:lol we can argue about it all day niga. But we wont.
I dont agree theres a vaccine even if fda approves a rushed one. When CDC, FDA say there are no long term side effects then it will officially be a vaccine
I called the vaccine too my niggs. I said the whole world with unlimited funds gets it done in 8-10 months. Its been done like 3 months ago. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
So now your call is the FDA won't approve a vaccine in the next 4 months? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
Keep digging.