If they are not going to trade him to the Warriors or whomever else, then I believe they made a wise pick with this two-way player. Besides, it's just another guard spot that will eventually be occupied in order to force Bryn out.
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If they are not going to trade him to the Warriors or whomever else, then I believe they made a wise pick with this two-way player. Besides, it's just another guard spot that will eventually be occupied in order to force Bryn out.
Best “Church of” ever.
My compliments to the chef. Exquisite title. Welcome Devin!!!
Amen
Is it the whole ballroom, or like half of it sectioned off with those movable walls, made of asbestos?
Should've went with Airport Hilton imo.
https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Ai...porthilton.jpg
Missed opportunity of doing a word play with Vessell, tbh.
Better than the "Disease-ridden brothel of..."
Damn, we should have drafted James Harden.
Four seasons landscaping garage of
Welcome, 2020 Devin Brown!
I haven’t posted in years... props to OP on the title. Made me laugh.
I totally get this reference. Very 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
checking in.
IN
The Candlewood Suites of Devin Vassell is better, because he is here for an extended stay. Deal with it, Spurstalk.
I’m still a fan of The Neighborhood Walmart of Demarre Carroll. Very fitting name in retrospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by byrontx
I like this pick. Forbes is gone at #2. Danny Green 2.0 with much better handles, and height who can switch from 1-4 with his 6'10 wingspan.
Spurs have too many fucking guards. Mills needs to gtfo
by the time vassell is relevant, he will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
Supposedly the team decided to stand pat when they saw Vassell would be available at 11. Supposedly they have been watching him for 2 years.
He is also young for a sophomore.
Is is just me or he has a similar build and playing style to Rodney Hood?
The fact he hasn’t tweeted about the Spurs picking him makes me like the kid more. I also like that he would throw out a tweet for getting a free $50 party pack from Wingstop. Kinda reminds me of the early version of Nephew.
Trust me, he will be our next Kawhi Leonard, first by being our defense specialist (like Kawhi was his first year), then starting to hit some spot-up 3s, for finally with the help of Chip and the organization, developing his offensive tools to become the best two-way player of the league.
And then, my alarm rang.
Ace always doing good work! Keep it up my guy!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
That's nuts. Reminds me of that one season where Duncan had more blocks than fouls, the only one in league history iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
I didn't watch him at FSU. Was his low turnover rate due to chucking up shots, actually being a really good and smart ball-handler, low usage, some combination of those? Or something else?
Here's what fivethiryeight had to say about Vassell:
For that reason alone, Vassell, who has been pegged as one of the best defensive players in the entire draft, makes sense for all these teams. Along with having a wiry 6-foot-7 frame with a 6-foot-10 wingspan, his off-ball awareness makes it seem as if six defenders are on the floor. Whether he’s trailing ball-handlers over screens, ducking under them and then recovering, or chasing JJ Redick-esque shooting guards from sideline to sideline, Vassell should display his value from the jump.
Just as important: He made 41.7 percent of his threes in two seasons as a Seminole. It wasn’t at the same volume as Bey or Nesmith (only 3.5 tries per game last year), but as a sophomore, Vassell finished second in offensive rating (126.9) and sixth in true shooting percentage (58.5) in the ACC. Nationwide, he had the 16th-lowest turnover rate (8.2 percent), according to KenPom. Along with Bey, Vassell can excel inside an important role while having the size, physical tools and skill to someday expand beyond it.
Here’s what Florida State assistant coach Stan Jones recently said about his development: “He’s got great basketball IQ. He’s a great finisher in transition. He’s got an unbelievable ability to go left or right, take one or two dribbles and get his primary defender up in the air a little bit. And he’s a killer on midrange jumpers.”
Full article comparing Nesmith, Vassell, and Bey: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...modern-league/
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
Those are both impressive stats. The second is major. Tre Jones is also known to be very good defending PNRs.
One thing to consider is how the loss of the NCAA Tournament impacted the draft board. We will never know, of course, but often reputations are made with deep runs, and the Seminoles were especially damaged by the inability to show themselves on the world stage. There's a chance Vassell could have risen with a complete season.
Ben actually did that for his whole career, apparently. Maybe Tim did something else along with that that made him special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
https://www.basketball-reference.com...wallabe01.html
Looking at Tim's stats, he had several seasons like that too. I must have misremembered something. I do know the season I'm thinking of was late in his career, either the last or second-to-last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
In 12-13 he had 187 blocks to 113 fouls. That ratio is bonkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
Want to go full analytics/optimist mode on Devin Vassell? Will put a smile on your face. :reading
Duncan always had a great Block-to-Foul ratio, but he's not the only one to finish a season with more blocks than fouls-- Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Serge Ibaka, Hassan Whiteside, Anthony Davis, Andrew Bynum, Brook Lopez, Rudy Gobert, and Pau Gasol have all done it in the last dozen years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
To be clear, I don't really like defensive analytics. That's what tricked people into thinking Murray was some All-Defense player. But obviously, it's not a bad thing that he has that kind of track record. Maybe he and DeJounte will be the starting back court next season and get a bunch of turnovers.
Murray, White, Jones
Vassell, Walker, Mills
DeRozan, Johnson
Lyles, Gay, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks
I don't love Trey at PF, but I could see that team being a huge improvement over what they've had with Forbes and Beli
The major reason Kawhi was considered such an incredible defender was not just that he could lockdown players he was guarding, but that he wreaked havoc on entire sectors of the court. Wherever he was, there was a turnover or deflection waiting to happen. (He's dropped off since then.)
Vassell doesn't project as the same one-on-one beast, but he could be the same player within whatever area he's in -- and people are wrong to downplay how vital good help defense is, especially in this era when defenders are constantly pulled to the three-point line. Not only does Vassell seem to recover very well, not only does he seem to guard the PnR very well, not only can he potentially erase the mistakes of teammates, he potentially solves some of the problem of fielding a good defensive team in an era where it's remarkably hard to be one.
Kawhi's ability as a one-on-one defender was always overstated. He had a tremendous defensive support group. That's why instead of "making guys work" or "getting under their skin", the Spurs were able to shut down perimeter players on the regular. The point is well taken that Vassell is more likely someone who would be part of that support system rather than the beneficiary of it. But him, White, Johnson, Poeltl and even Murray have a chance to reek havoc. They might be able to get Achiuwa from the Heat as well, and that would be a really interesting cast of defenders.
Huh? How?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Love the pick
Needs more bulk and better handles and he will be a 10 year starter. Trevor Ariza-lite.
You're nuts. Leonard really was an incredible defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I think we’ll be playing four guards most of the time, so that ups the need for guards somewhat.
DJM, Patty, Tre'J
White, LW4, QW
DDR, Keldon, Vassell
Lyles, Gay, Saminic
LMA, Jakob, Drew
The following season:
DJM, Tre-J, QW
White, LW4, Free Agent
Keldon, Vassell, F-Agent
Samanic, Lyles, 2nd Rd Pick
Jakob, Drew, 1st Rd Pick
Yes, but he didn't "shut down" players alone. He, Green, Splitter and Duncan always combined to shut down opposing players. That's why the standard for what they could do was so much higher than it was for Bowen, who rarely shut down stars the way the Spurs could in the Medium Three era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
I'm just speculating about an Aldridge trade down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
I guarantee you white starting after what happened in the bubbleQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
one of the biggest issues this team had is that there was nobody on the wings who could help to block shots. Our shotblockers were always our bigs and to a certain degree Derrick White. But back then when we had nephew and Danny they would always fly in and swat shots away. That's also why I'm against Lyles being a starter. I want somebody at the 4 who can help protect the rim as well, like Jeremy Grant for exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Yeah, I probably remembered something wrong. There was probably some extra qualifier in there that made Duncan's season unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by R. DeMurre
That or the person who said what I remembered was just plain wrong.
I look forward to not seeing him play. Maybe next year.
I look forward to not seeing him play. Maybe next year.
https://youtu.be/htA8AP2KjQM
This guy echoes the same thoughts I've had for a while.
Makes comparisons to Stephen Jackson, Reggie Miller, and Klay.
VERY informative video. There's a part one as well, which covers strengths. This guy knows basketball, unlike many youtubers out there who offer lazy analysis.
Sugus
http://www.tankathon.com/players/com...-klay-thompson
Devin compares favourably to Klay, with a much lower usage rate.
Thanks for the rec! Looks like an interesting video. I'm currently in the midst of exams season, I'll check it out when I can. Hopefully sometime next week after a lot of these papers are due.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
With Covid I don't think we see him until after the next season 2022Quote:
Originally Posted by Dverde
He could be a token starter kind of a guy.
And from there grow into a full time starter.
It's time for Pop to surprise us.
My favorite point guard...
https://scontent.fcrk1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...53&oe=5FDDF1DB
next to Vassell on the shorter side is Josh Green, who did the combine and measured at 6-5 in shoes.
Toppin supposedly checks in at 6-9
Nice Vid clearly they are things he needs to work on which I think he will as he clearly loves basketball and he he seems to be a smart kid. I also think he will fit very well with Keldon, White, and Luka, though I definitely think he will need almost a full year of G League to make the necessary improvements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
For some interesting defensive stats stuff with Vassell, everyone should check out the Locked On Hawks podcast from 11-16. The Vassell stuff should start around 13:40 or so depending on the ad attached.
Locked on Hawks 11-16
spoilers: It's very impressive
Dejounte
Good find, thanks. Worth a listen :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by objective
Tags Dejounte, then TimVP replies with thanks. One might be led to believe that Dejounte is just one of TimVP's aliases.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Of course it couldn't be true..
Yeah don’t drink Reb Bull and Vodka and then try to sleep not happening - Another nice Vid I won’t say anything to spoil it but I have to agree with Objective it’s impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Dejounte = 3 syllablesQuote:
Originally Posted by bluebellmaniac
timvp = 3 syllables
Need I say more?
Wait a second ...
objective = 3 syllables?
Am we timjountive?
Oops. Everybody already knew anyway...
+1000Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
You da man anyway!
Is he getting Playing time though.... I mean POOP and his bullshit....Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Hopefully pop turns vassell into a defensive monster to pair with white&murray
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Yuck. That is Dick Jefferson’s old number. I hope it’s not cursed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
Damn why did they do him wrong by that. SMH.
Probably because he wore 24 at FSU, lol.
Lies! It’s Sweat Pea Lloyd Daniels’ old number!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dverde
Quote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
I dont know if its the Covid shit for months and months.... but these types of exchanges I have found quite irritating today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
A guy like ace3g provides a service and I GUESS ITS TO MUCH TO ASK that so called fans of a team that they have spent 1000s of post and countless hours on this forsaken corner of cyberspace to actually know what GD college number the first round lottery pick their alleged favorite team. Instead they find some shit reason to hate the number..... Fucking Richard Jefferson......
Fugguin shitz
Also fun fact which should be obvious: he chose that number in high school because of Kobe. He's also a big LeBron fan.
You okay, bro? Maybe take a nap for a year or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDrewShow
Devin's a Laker bandwagoner
Come on dude, he was just 1 of a million kids who were Kobe fans..... Not a Laker Fan... Like those POS upstairs especially that dude from Arizona....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
That didn't turn out too badly for Tim Duncan or the other 90% of players who grow up Laker fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
For the record, it wasn't a slight. Don't really care if he was lol
I will say though I miss players like Manu who would give unusual answers and deeper insight in interviews.
What dude from Arizona? TheDrewShow
some hold ass troll had many names on here I think @Culver is one and some others..... He was tight with the Benefactors for a while... but he is one of the chief archetypes of the Toxicity and shit posting here for a while....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Thought you meant an NBA player lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDrewShow
Here's another great video, everyone:
https://youtu.be/0yYDuxn815k
This dude sounds like the Bob Ross of NBA youtube, "Happy little pick and roll...."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Dejounte the more I look at him the more I see Willie Anderson with out the handles.... I Dont think Anderson ever got above 200 lbs in his whole career....
dude said that he thinks that Vassell needs to be 240? Dat aint happening.... 220 would be a 99.9%tile matrix for him even on that Lebron and Kyle Anderson Good Good...eeerrr....
Modern Sports Science Diet, exercise and Supplementation that is.
I'll take functional strength over bulk for that frame. Who knows maybe he'll be the Prime Time of Florida State Basketball.....
Haha I actually read from the person who made the video that he made a mistake and meant 20 lb, not 40 lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDrewShow
Most impressive is kawhi, more steals than fouls for his careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
Most boring talker in the draft! I like it, finally we taking some no nonsense draftee, seems like the opposite of instaballer and hairdo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Kobe, LeBron, KD fan :lol:lol:lol For a 2way player, I’m surprised no mention of a defensive guy except for The Dream but more on his hook shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomDashCam
Devin sporting his first Spurs t-shirt, working with Zach Graham.
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Nov 20, 2020, 5:01:17 PM
https://youtu.be/7hfPwLxrvYM
I've been watching a lot of film on Vassell, just to try to get a feel on what to expect from him this upcoming season.
He's a lot different from Kawhi, which everyone knew, but I figured I wanted to know by just how much.
Contrary to popular belief, and I've said this before, the Spurs did not "build" Kawhi. He was not this super raw athlete with no skills whatsoever. His handles were pretty advanced already in college, he could dribble between his legs, which I didnt see Devin do once in all the videos I've seen. If you watch the video above, you'll see that Kawhi's comfort zone was anywhere 10 feet from the rim which we grew to see over the years he was a Spur. He was automatic from there. Kawhi loved to bang down low and use his strength to get his shot up in the interior. He possessed already good footwork in college.
But here's the interesting thing, and probably why people assume the Spurs "built" him. He displayed ONLY about 10% of what I mentioned in the last paragraph in his first two years with the Spurs. There could be a myriad of reasons to this, but IMO, I came away with one conclusion as to why Kawhi was able to showcase just a few things he did in college... It has to do with the way the Spurs develop their players.
If you watched all bubble games and focused on Keldon as I did, if you were paying attention you would have noticed something changed with his play style after about the first two or three games. During the first two or three games, he was basically playing with a lot of freedom and taking the ball, driving it in, doing a lot to show his abilities. Then, by game three or four, you will notice he started to park his ass in the corner or on the three point line to have the ball kicked out to him so he can shoot it... And we all know how well he shot it. After that specific game, he basically implied he was given marching orders to be a 3 and D guy and work his way up from there in the post game interview.
This is how the Spurs develop their players.
And it is evident with what Pop says all the time in interviews: "Before you try to be great, we want you to be solid."
Kawhi during his rookie year was assigned to be that 3 and D guy behind our three stars and was basically told to perfect that craft before he moves on to becoming great.
What does this all have to do with Devin Vassell?
Well, after watching Devin, I see an upside beyond being a 3 and D guy. His arsenal in college includes pull up Js in the mid-range with remarkable efficiency. He also has amazing hops.
When Devin plays this year, I think like with our talented rookies of the past (please note: I'm only referring to Spur players who were drafted with extreme upside) he will be instructed to perform a specific role and the goal will be for him to be solid at it.
I think Devin of the future is a player who will be a lights out shooter from anywhere (weakest probably still in the interior even if he gains strength) on the court. People will love his off ball defense, reminds me so much of Manu's timely steals. And people will be surprised by his hops.
Devin's game has shades of Khris Middleton, Reggie Miller, and Klay Thompson.
A lot of Khris on offense = shoots it with a hand in the face, mostly takes faceup jumpers, tendency to shoot from mid-range. Not super explosive, but gets it done with basic crossovers.
A lot of Klay on defense = In terms of who he can guard (occasionally PG's and SF's, full-time on SG's), with similar foot speed and awareness leading to timely steals and weakside blocking.
My bottom-line point is that players are who they were in college. No one gets "built" from scratch. There usually is a foundation there to begin with. The Spurs are probably the best at taking that foundation, and polishing it up real nice by slow and patient development.
Be solid first, then be great.
Maybe that can be applied to life.
Sugus
^ Yeah Culver the 6th pick from MIN got his confidence got shot when MIN tried to give him a lot of responsibilities on offense at the start of the year. All his progress he built of from college gone , now he is shooting free throws like Poeltl. Same thing happened with Frank and Knox in New York.
but mostly it has to do with different level of opposing players defensive skills and athleticismQuote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
I don't disagree with that statement. However, I believe it's more of a cause than it is an effect to why the Spurs do what they do when it comes to developing players.Quote:
Originally Posted by San Antonio Slayer
Basketball has always been a confidence game. The best proof of this is what we've seen with Derrick White. Everyone knew he had the ability to do the things he does now, but he always shied away from it because the tiniest mistake ate at him mentally. Imagine if the Spurs had thrown him into the fire and he made all of those mistakes all at once. It wouldn't be as easy for him to conquer all the doubts he had in his game. Instead, each mistake that he had he was able to digest little by little and he was able to go to battle mentally with the lie in his head that he couldn't do it.