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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
ace3g
The trend line seems incredibly arbitrary. I can't imagine that an actual trend line would be so steep when most data points on the left side are UNDER it and on the right side there only 2 data points and they are WAY ABOVE it. SMH. Very biased graph, not rooted in math at all.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
bluebellmaniac
The trend line seems incredibly arbitrary. I can't imagine that an actual trend line would be so steep when most data points on the left side are UNDER it and on the right side there only 2 data points and they are WAY ABOVE it. SMH. Very biased graph, not rooted in math at all.
The DPS and OPA is likely based on a 48 minute scale.
DPS league best is probably +12, your y axis maximum. League worst is -26.
OPA league best is +26, your x axis maximum. League worst is -12.
Slope is then connected from both (max y, min x), (max x, min y) coordinates
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
Dejounte
The DPS and OPA is likely based on a 48 minute scale.
DPS league best is probably +12, your y axis maximum. League worst is -26.
OPA league best is +26, your x axis maximum. League worst is -12.
Slope is then connected from both (max y, min x), (max x, min y) coordinates
Say what? :lol
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
Dejounte
The DPS and OPA is likely based on a 48 minute scale.
DPS league best is probably +12, your y axis maximum. League worst is -26.
OPA league best is +26, your x axis maximum. League worst is -12.
Slope is then connected from both (max y, min x), (max x, min y) coordinates
Uh, yeah. That is exactly how you do NOT do a trend line. That isn't a trend line at all. Just some arbitrary line that they justified in drawing. Pretty meaningless. Doesn't give me much faith in the rest after knowing how they came up with the "trend" line, which is what you would assume it is.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
bluebellmaniac
The trend line seems incredibly arbitrary. I can't imagine that an actual trend line would be so steep when most data points on the left side are UNDER it and on the right side there only 2 data points and they are WAY ABOVE it. SMH. Very biased graph, not rooted in math at all.
That's not a trend line. It's there to indicate anyone above the line is a net positive player, anyone below it is a net negative...
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
pad300
That's not a trend line. It's there to indicate anyone above the line is a net positive player, anyone below it is a net negative...
It doesn't indicate that either, mathematically it doesn't. Only using some arbitrary Maximum and Minimum values to create that line is not a valid way to determine who is a net positive player and net negative. I mean, if that is the definition you want to use, sure, that can mean that. But in reality it has no meaningful purpose in helping identify net positive and net negative players.
A waste of time to create, actually. And we are all dumber for having looked at it...
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
bluebellmaniac
Uh, yeah. That is exactly how you do NOT do a trend line. That isn't a trend line at all. Just some arbitrary line that they justified in drawing. Pretty meaningless. Doesn't give me much faith in the rest after knowing how they came up with the "trend" line, which is what you would assume it is.
I didn't mean to say it was a trend line. I'm just saying that's how it kinda looks like.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
Dejounte
I didn't mean to say it was a trend line. I'm just saying that's how it kinda looks like.
I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying that NBA Math has nothing to do with math on that graph. And that line is misleading, for whatever purpose it serves. Unless it is meant to mislead, then it does a good job.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
bluebellmaniac
It doesn't indicate that either, mathematically it doesn't. Only using some arbitrary Maximum and Minimum values to create that line is not a valid way to determine who is a net positive player and net negative. I mean, if that is the definition you want to use, sure, that can mean that. But in reality it has no meaningful purpose in helping identify net positive and net negative players.
A waste of time to create, actually. And we are all dumber for having looked at it...
I really get the impression you don't understand the math he's doing (note, I am not endorsing this math, but this is what he's doing).
https://nbamath.com/tpa-model/
Essentially BPM (adjusted box -score plus minus) can be broken into defensive and offensive portion. It is then adjusted to make all the players compared on a per 100 possessions basis... that gives you DPS and OPA. Those added together give you TPA (which is the player's net +/- per 100 possessions on the floor) ... The diagonal line that bugs you is where TPA = 0, above that line TPA >0.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
When his shot starts going in he’ll be incredible. Very impressive.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
Its good hes getting this experience early
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
Considering that there was no SL and he got drafted just a couple of months before the season started, he's been nothing short of incredible of defense.
Amazing defensive IQ, great rotations, deflections and hustle. Also looks really good on the glass.
Definitely 1st team all-defense player in a couple of years.
His shot looks smooth, I think it's just a matter of confidence on offense. He still stops and just passes the ball away, probably scared of Pop yelling at him. :lol
Perfect SG/SF for the modern game.
Hopefully he still keeps his minutes when Derrick comes back.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
Another solid game for the rookie.
he is consistently showing he is a legit NBA PLAYER.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
defense comes so naturally to him, its really quite impressive for a rookie. scoring department needs some work though.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
That block on Kanter was great. He showcased a Khris Middletonesque pull up J from mid-range in garbage time, too.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
Dejounte
That block on Kanter was great. He showcased a Khris Middletonesque pull up J from mid-range in garbage time, too.
its a big ask for his offensive game to progress as well as Middleton's but that should definitely be the target
if anything he has a better shot coming out of college than middleton did
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
This guy has it........a soft spoken KILLER! He is something to mold like Keldon/Kawhi
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
its a big ask for his offensive game to progress as well as Middleton's but that should definitely be the target
if anything he has a better shot coming out of college than middleton did
Yup, this is the play I was talking about:
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?Ga...0Shot&sct=plot
Practice that shot over the offseason and we'll have a hell of a player.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
bluebellmaniac
It doesn't indicate that either, mathematically it doesn't. Only using some arbitrary Maximum and Minimum values to create that line is not a valid way to determine who is a net positive player and net negative. I mean, if that is the definition you want to use, sure, that can mean that. But in reality it has no meaningful purpose in helping identify net positive and net negative players.
A waste of time to create, actually. And we are all dumber for having looked at it...
Dude, these formulas and graphs are created with the help of professional mathematicians. Are you one of those? If not, you should STFO, tbh. :lol
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
Devin is the best looking Rookie since Kawhi.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
DAF86
Dude, these formulas and graphs are created with the help of professional mathematicians. Are you one of those? If not, you should STFO, tbh. :lol
Oh good, professional mathematicians. Who are some of those who contributed?
Can't say? Then STFU, tbh ... LOL!
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
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Originally Posted by
BillMc
Devin is the best looking Rookie since Kawhi.
Tbh if Vassell were getting the same minutes as rookie Kawhi, he will have better numbers. Rookie Kawhi while very good defensively, likewise Devin is, he was very timid in scoring, which is not the case for Vassell. Vassell is not shy to let them fly with hands in his face.
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Re: The Rented Airport Radisson Ballroom of Devin Vassell
Sean always talks about the development curve for a player when the game slows down for him. The game has been slow for Devin since game one. That’s what makes him unique. That is not the norm for a rookie.