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one more wake up and its on... Be interesting to see these dudes next to each other....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Physically he looks like a taller Dejuante body type wise..... TBH 220 is a big ask even at 6'7"is to put on that body frame type. Typical Hard Gainers.
Skinny
Someone buy this dude a coupon book to Whataburger
Hopefully he has better ACLs than DJQuote:
Originally Posted by TheDrewShow
I wouldn't want Vassell to put on too much muscle, though. Maybe 10-20 pounds at most, would be healthy as he grows into his body, definitely not 30+ though. Good perimeter defenders in this modern NBA tend to have that long, lanky, nimble body type, and bulking up over the count can be counter-productive, losing speed and agility with mass that won't be of much use in other areas. I actually really like the combination at SF between Keldon and Vassell, they have opposite games and body types that compliment each others'. I wonder if the Spurs could get away with lineups with the both of them, one at the 4, with Jakob as the traditional 5.
A lineup of White - Dejounte - Vassell - Keldon - Poeltl would be really hard to score on. Let's get back to defense oriented play...
Yeah I agree. He needs to get stronger, but not necessarily jacked up. Some people don't have that weight room strength, but rather game strength (like Manu).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugus
Johnson is already short to play 3, so I don’t see him playing 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugus
Who plays what position is determined by strength, not height in most cases for today's NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocalcio
Draymond Green is literally Kobe's height and plays PF/C.
You also see players like Jrue Holiday and Royce O Neal punking much taller players than they are and they're 6'3". This is because they're strong as fuck.
This is not to say I think Keldon is too short-- i think he grew and most fans don't realize it. Maybe I'm wrong, but we will know this week.
Rui Hachimura (6'8") struggled like hell against Jrue in this video. He couldn't even back him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
The second best point guard from duke in his family aint gonna bring that type of D EVA....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Det why Urkle gave him a Guaranteed Contract.....
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Originally Posted by Rocalcio
I tend to agree with that, besides most big 3's play the four nowadays (think Rudy Gay).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
KJ should be able to guard 3's.
Definitely agree with this. I also think Keldon has grown, but even if he didn't, he's got great size to play the modern 3 and small-ball 4, on defense especially. Core strength and good instincts can make up for a lot in terms of height/size differences, and Keldon seems to have both - if he can develop into something at least close to Holiday's defense, he's gonna be a damn cheatcode for the Spurs. We could play him at the 4, 3, or 2 depending on what lineups are called, and he's got the strength, length, shooting and passing to make it work. Exciting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Great video. It's really easy to see how Holiday's strength helps him be a great defender - he can absorb contact, not in the way we usually talk about "absorbing contact" on offense, but in the opposite way; he waits and stands his ground until the opposing player exerts strength at him and leans into him as a result, and quickly goes for the ball at the moment where these players are accustomed to having that newly created space, all while hardly getting moved even by bigger matchups. And to think if Keldon can do this, and even if the opponent gets by them, they still have to deal with Vassell and Dejounte's length in passing lanes, White as help defense, and Poeltl at the rim.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Yeah, gimme some of that any time.
They've already stated, shoulders and arms-wise, Keldon is an average SF for NBA. So no, he is not small for a 3. He certainly is not weak or shy for a 3 either. As long as you put a solid big and another lengthy defender next to him, they should be fine. I'm still not convinced on Vassell and Dejounte as individual defenders though. Hopefully Dejounte takes the big leap that we were expecting pre-ACL this year. Vassell hopefully surprises us with his individual D and strength this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocalcio
Big Body Johnson disagrees with your assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocalcio
I hope you guys are right and that he will prove me wrong, I want nothing but him being in the starting line up.
well vassell will be in the gleague all year to get over himself, so there will be plenty of opportunities for keldonQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocalcio
This is probably the best article written on Devin Vassell so far...
https://valleytales.substack.com/p/d...mer-coach-this
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HIGH SCHOOL:
I’m looking at him, and he looks like Bambi. His hairline is all the way down to his forehead. He’s got one string on his chin. And he’s weak. So I’m looking at him and I’m saying, “Man, this kid’s gonna grow about another inch and a half, two inches. (He’ll) do some push-ups. This boy’s a pro.” The first possession, he goes down and they shoot a 3, and he goes in and tips it in. They come back down, he gets the rebound and he pushes it up the floor and he kicks it to the corner. They come back down this way, they drive baseline and he blocks it (and) pins it on the glass. They run back down and they throw it to him, and he rips a two-foot pop, one-handed floater in the paint. They go back down and he gets a back-tip. They come back down, and he hits a 3 in the corner. And I was like, “Hey, scrimmage over.”
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When I saw Devin Vassell, I saw Allen Houston. He’s a better defensive version. Allen Houston was on my All-Star team (when I was in high school). I’m a basketball junkie, like a savant. I remember when I was at (the Five-Star camp) in 1988 and we’re on the All-Star team, and I passed the ball to Allen Houston and he ripped, took one dribble and jumped real high and shot it. I had never seen nothing like that, not at 6-7. Now (Vassell’s) grown a little more. I don’t know if I should say this, because Paul George was so bad in the playoffs, but you see a little Paul George. I knew (Vassell) was a pro. When you throw in his character and his humility and his work ethic, you got a future All-Star.
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This is why he’s gonna be an All-Star and get four or five: the amount of professionalism he has at a young age. The season starts, and he had five DNPs. Did. No. Play. He had five more games where he played less than 10 minutes. Now, his AAU coach ain’t calling me. His high school coach ain’t calling me. His momma ain’t calling me. His daddy ain’t calling me. His brother ain’t calling me. Now, in 2020, that’s virtually impossible with what we’re dealing with in this day and age. The boy comes in my office after five games, he says, “I need to get a bump. I need to get a workout.” After he did not play. I was more upset than him. I’m going to (Jones) and Hamilton, fussing and fighting. Devin Vassell told me, “Unc, don’t worry about it. When (Jones) and Hamilton call my name, I’m gonna be ready.”
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I would say his competitiveness (is also underrated). Most people look at him and they think he’s Theo Huxtable from Suwanee, Georgia. But now, this dude wakes up mad every day about not being ranked (by recruiting services). He’s got everybody’s name written down. All this, “I was a two-star player and I wasn’t ranked,” he’s mad as hell about that, now. He comes to the game, and he’s trying to put everybody’s name on the list and mark them off. He’s got a lot of fuel. They threw gasoline on the fire, now.
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This kid is a high-character gym rat. I’m talking about, “Yes, sir. No, sir.” (He follows the catchphrase that) everything you need to make it in life, you learned in kindergarten. This boy, he’s special. His humility. He’s one of those guys that, when he finishes playing pro ball, he’s gonna own 22 car dealerships or he’s gonna own Starbucks or he’s gonna be a GM of a team. You can just see it. This boy’s like the Rain Man (with his routine). Gotta work out. Gotta work out.
My wife’s trying trick him into marrying my oldest daughter (Ariel), who’s a redshirt sophomore at North Carolina right now. That’s how much we think of him. We’re trying to have an arranged marriage. And his momma, who’s my best friend, we’re in cahoots. We’re trying to make it happen. Now, I’ve had players that I wanted to marry my daughter, but I didn’t want them on my team. Then, I had players that I wanted on my team, but couldn’t be marrying my daughter. But this boy is both. You don’t find that often.
Didn't follow Allan Houston much back then. But I can see it. https://youtu.be/cNBfRV5vdUc
Houston was pretty good. He was a big part of that ‘99 Knicks team that the Spurs beat in the finals.
I think they struck gold with this pick. He's going to improve year upon year. The talent is there. The work ethic, humility and character seem to be there.
Pop is a better judge of character than talent at this point. I think they got this one right.
He comes from a stable two parent household which also bodes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rastaspur
I'm a little fuzzy on the exact detail. However. Doug Collins was hired as HC and GM of Detroit for GH second year. He had Hil, and Houston on that roster almost won 50 games and made the playoff as a Version of Jordan Pippin(pick whom you want to be Jordan or Pippin). They had a hellacious perimeter Defense and a promising offensive pace. You can talk all kinds of shit about Jerry Krause, there is NO WAY in hell He allowed Pippen's rookie contract to expire so goes to the NICKS for nothing in Pippin's Second YEAR if EVER. Pretty Much what Doug did with Houston after that break out season and making the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
I don't know what Doug was thinking, if he EVER DID. Maybe he thought having second rate version of Pippin Jordan with the Actual Pippin and Jordan in his Division was a loosing gambit? Who knows. Its one of those NBA what IF's? Surprised the Youtube NBA hacks haven't made one of those Videos about this.