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Lots of hops. Definite NBA frame. High school footwork in the pivot. Junior High defense. Both Tim and Rasho pinned him on the top side and got easy points. Both of them sent shots of his back to the kitchen.
The young man needs a trip or two to Pete Newell's big man camp, lest he become the next Kelvin Cato. That would be a tragedy. He has a lot of potential.
yes he is very good
I think he could be the next dwight howard
He is fixing to turn 20...crazy.
If you bring your game to the 'L', expect to have it critiqued. It's one thing to have Timmy pin you high or block your shot, but he was abused by Rasho tonight on both ends. Rasho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horry For 3!
Timmy put on an absolute defensive clinic out there tonight. Shut down their young gun in Howard, blocked 5 shots, redirected like 20 he was awesome tonight.
Hope Dwight is the future of the Spurs. David Robinson could be very instrumental in recruiting.
Dwight pulled down like 16 boards though, which is good for my fantasy team. I also have Duncan on that team.
Yeah he pulled down a lot of second attempts with Duncan tipping all his shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Duncan abused him on both ends, but Rasho nO
Howard's points almost all came against Rasho
Howard is the next Kato
:lmao @ Howard is the next KatoQuote:
Originally Posted by SPURS21
Id take Howard over Rasho, Nazr, Marks, and Oberto combined!
Howard will be a STAR.
trade parker/gino to magic for howard? i do it in a heartbeat
that would be idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
I would seriously consider it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
why would you want to trade away 2 key of the key players in title runs the last few years for an unproven 19 year old? better to try and sign him away when he becomes a free agent and tim is on the decline. robinson would be a big help in recruiting him, they are both very religious.
why?
You people are on fucking crack. You do not trade an All Star and a borderline All Star for a physical package that may or may not pan out. The young man has potential, but the median of the NBA superhighway is littered with players who had potential and physical prowess but busted out. Hell, people thought Cato was the shit when he started. He just never developed a game.
I would do it for Amare, if he is healthy but not howard. My god can you imagine Timmy and Amare on the same team they would win 75 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Why the hell is Howard listed at 6'11 he is at least 2 inches shorter than Duncan maybe more.
The fucker is huge for 20 years old. He is going to be a solid NBA player. He is clearly the next Tree Rollins.
tp and manu for him?
I THINK NOT
Solipsism? ... I can't figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Not that I want to make any drastic changes to bring in Dwight, but memory fails when trying to recall Cato hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Either way, I'm happy to be a Spurs fan.
This is the last Kato hype I can remember:
I once nicknamed an ex-girlfriend's German Shepard - Kato.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Fond memories.
Only Kato I know of is the one that keeps Inspector Clouseau on his toes.
caaaaatooooooooo
classic movies.
BTW,
trading an all star backcourt for one guy??
Typical Spur fan trade.
"I'm very old," Duncan said, smiling. "I was looking at it before the game and I'm something like 9 1/2 years older than (Howard). That's crazy. ... "He doesn't look like a 19-year-old. He's got so much promise. I'm just glad I'll be out of the league when he's peaking."
Link
High praise...
So Duncan aint gonna be around in 5 or 6 years?
i wonder if he extend his contract when his max is out?Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Never break up the core of a championship team unless you have to. (Jerry Krause, this means you!)Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Even if it's a great deal on paper, and even if you think it's a mortal lock that the Spurs would be getting a franchise player who will carry them through 2015, you still don't do it.
There's no way they're as close to winning rings in '06 after the trade, and when you're where the Spurs are, that's job one.
Timmy is correct, Exstatic is way off.
Tim would look shit if we all judged him on the one game against Washington.
Somebody mark GIG's disease ridden words.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
better team player yes, but statistically on, no one fills a stat sheet like these two, no wonder why they are overrated and havnt won anything yetQuote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
Trading Parker for howard alone is fucking retarded.
How many PGs in this league are as dependable as Tony? Only a handful, and he has just as much upside still, as Dwight does. Tony is going to rule the PGs in years to come... why give that away...
Gezzzzes.
And I dont wanna think about Duncan not being around.
Not until he gets us a prototype understudy...................... like Howard.
Like DRob did for Duncan.
Like we should somehow get before Duncan retires.
Bosh won't resign with Toronto. Maybe A deal could possibly, just maaaybe happen with Rasho or Nazr, or both.
I can't imagine us not having a dominant big man. I came from the early years DRob generation.
Help...
help...
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lol^^
Dude you sound like me.
Bosh or Howard taking over for Duncan would be cool with me.
More Bosh, cause he has a sick jumper already.
Bosh For Rasho/nazr?
The Orlando announcers noticed that TD is bigger than Howard. I thought Howard was closer to 7 feet than 6'10. He's like 6'9. I guess I never really noticed TD has the physical advantage against Dwight.
Sorry, but not even Toronto would walk into that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Rasho/Nazr can fetch a Kurt Thomas/Cato/Malik not Bosh/Dwight/Shaq/Okafor :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
:lmao post of the day. And who's gonna run the point and handle the ball in critical playoff games??? Beno??? :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
your proposing trading a top 5 starting backcourt for a project. too much :smokin for u
Two words about Howard. Scary potential.. This dude is going to be a monster and will terrorize us along with the rest of the league in a few years..
If the spurs are smart they should go after this guy once he becomes a free-agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
I dont think it works out - He'll ready for re-up in a couple of years and Spurs can't even think of that (unless they want to package Tony and Manu :lol )Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
In a couple of years the Spurs lose all sorts of salaries. Finley, Barry, Oberto, Horry. IMO, Dwight is the next dominating force in the league. I would think long and hard about giving up Manu and Tony and Rasho to dump salary. I'd think of going with Van Exel, Finely, Bowen, Howard, and Duncan. With Barry, Beno, Nazr, Horry, and Oberto off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesiSpur_21
I could just be crazy but we won't know for 3 years.
He's no AmareQuote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
You're right, he should be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Do you really think it would give the Spurs as good a chance to win this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Or are you saying you'd be willing to risk not winning rings now to have a chance to be better later?
Care to elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
They would still have a good chance of winning this year, but not better than they have now. However, long-term the move would keep the spurs at the very top of the NBA. Tim and Dwight like David and Tim could win titles with the right veteran supporting cast. However, Dwight will eventually own the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
don't expect much. Dwight is still just 19year old Amare came in at 20 and is now 23. Amare 2nd year he average 20pts 9rbs, Dwight's at 14pts, 13rbs. Keep in mind Amare is in the Fun and Gun Loyola Marymount offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
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Originally Posted by strangeweather
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/amare_....html?nav=page
fuck you, cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
I think Howard is going to be a monster as well, and I certainly see your point. Howard has a good chance to be the best center to enter the league since... what, Shaq?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
But I still don't think you can break up the core of a title team.
Of course, it's a moot discussion anyway, because surely Orlando isn't going to trade their emerging franchise player for anything.
and I'm not saying I would pull the trigger but I would strongly consider it.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
basketball forum is not for you, the race card doesn't play in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
It's Howard's second year out of high school, and he's already a better rebounder than Amare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
They're different types of players -- Amare is more of a super-athletic young-Shawn Kemp type player -- but Howard looks like he has every chance to join the pantheon of great NBA centers.
And remember, Amare only made the leap last year, so It's certainly not sacreligious to compare them at this point.
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Originally Posted by 2centsworth
what does calling you a cunt have to do with the race card?
Amare is a better scorer and I think that he could be a good (if not great) defender. Remember his block on Duncan in game 5? From all indications the Suns are at least trying to play D, so when Amare comes back I'd expect to see him improve in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
If you were worth it I'd bo back at you. I'll stick to the bigger fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Again, take into account the offensive system Amare is in. Marion, Joe Johnson, and Amare's numbers are inflated because they fast break with no attention to defense. It's like when Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble average 50 pts each in college basketball. It was the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
Amare is great and I'm not taking a thing away from him, but Dwight has the potential to be a 7ft Shaq beast. He's already showing he's a more physical player than Amare in the rebounding department.
thanks for sparing me. I was afraid immediately after I hit the 'Submit' button. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Amare is athletic enough that the only ceiling on his ability to shut down his man is his desire. But he's never going to be a devastating patroller of the paint like great defensive post players are. Guys like Duncan and Ben Wallace can change the shots of every player on the opposing team. It's just not Amare's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Again, that's not a knock on Amare, who is an incredible player. He is a fantastic scorer. He benefits a lot from playing with Nash, but he would be really good pretty much anywhere, as long as he had someone who was capable of getting him the ball in good position.
But it's been over a decade since the NBA saw a great center enter the league, unless you count Duncan. And Howard looks like he can be the next one. That's a pretty big deal.
Defense can be learned. Look what Pop and Coach Brown do with everyone that plays for them. Like I said, I think the Suns are going to focus on D this season more. I guess we'll see when Amare comes back.
Defense can be learned, but only to a certain point. Dirk could be a lot better than he is, but no one will ever turn him into Ben Wallace, no matter how hard they try. He just doesn't have the same tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Amare has a lot of exceptional tools, but he doesn't have the same ones Wallace has, and he never will.
I have always thought it CAN be learned, fairly handily. All it would really take to train an offense-oriented powerhouse to think defensively is to get him to think about what it would take to stop himself when he's on offense and apply that if possible when the other team has the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
Defense can be taught but some of it, actually quite a good portion of it, is just heart and want. Look at Bowen - he guards anyone Pop asks him to.
But Amare isn't a natural back-to-the-basket, pound-the-ball player on offense, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by pache100
Shaq and Amare are different types of players, and expecting Amare to pick up Shaq's post game is like expecting Shaq to play run-and-gun and step out to the perimeter for jump shots.
Playing great defense takes so much discipline, because you have to do it day in and day out, not just whenever u want. I compare it to running 10 miles every morning at 6am. You CAN do it, but how many actually will?
I think Bowen wasn't named to the NBA defensive team until he joined the Spurs. I don't if this a relevant fact or not
miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Named to the NBA’s All-Defensive Team each of the last four seasons (second team selection in 2001, 2002 and 2003 before earning first team honors in 2004)Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
He joined the Spurs in 2001-02. I guess he was named to the defensive team his last season with the Heat
not saying that dwight howard and amare stoudemire are not going to be amazing players in the future, they could, but there are many assumptions. People kept evaluating young players with a hockey stick curve, and it's just not reasonable. They expect these players to miraculously pick up skills with absolutely no evidence. People talk about Amare's potential to be an awesome defensive player based on one block on Duncan in last year's WCF? I have seen loads of awesome blocks by Shawn Bradley, but I would never say that he was an awesome defensive monster. Speaking of which, he is one classic example of people evaluating players based on the hockey stick curve. He haven't played college basketball for like 2 years when he declared for the draft, he sucked in college, but he was 7'6" and is relatively coordinated. So these scouts started to put in all these scenarios and expect him to turn into the next Ralph Sampson (without the injuries). Guess what? They didn't pan out, just like it didn't pan out for a whole lot of other next-Jordan/next-Magic/next-Wilt.
Going by the law of averages, it's pretty safe to say that neither of Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire will turn into an all-time great.
TP and Manu for Howard???
Kiss your repeat dreams good-bye.
Orlando wouldn't be this stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Same goes for San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody
damn right.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
Hopefully TP + Manu, the #1 backcourt by playoffs.