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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
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Care to elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
They would still have a good chance of winning this year, but not better than they have now. However, long-term the move would keep the spurs at the very top of the NBA. Tim and Dwight like David and Tim could win titles with the right veteran supporting cast. However, Dwight will eventually own the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
don't expect much. Dwight is still just 19year old Amare came in at 20 and is now 23. Amare 2nd year he average 20pts 9rbs, Dwight's at 14pts, 13rbs. Keep in mind Amare is in the Fun and Gun Loyola Marymount offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
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Originally Posted by strangeweather
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/amare_....html?nav=page
fuck you, cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
I think Howard is going to be a monster as well, and I certainly see your point. Howard has a good chance to be the best center to enter the league since... what, Shaq?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
But I still don't think you can break up the core of a title team.
Of course, it's a moot discussion anyway, because surely Orlando isn't going to trade their emerging franchise player for anything.
and I'm not saying I would pull the trigger but I would strongly consider it.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
basketball forum is not for you, the race card doesn't play in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
It's Howard's second year out of high school, and he's already a better rebounder than Amare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
They're different types of players -- Amare is more of a super-athletic young-Shawn Kemp type player -- but Howard looks like he has every chance to join the pantheon of great NBA centers.
And remember, Amare only made the leap last year, so It's certainly not sacreligious to compare them at this point.
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Originally Posted by 2centsworth
what does calling you a cunt have to do with the race card?
Amare is a better scorer and I think that he could be a good (if not great) defender. Remember his block on Duncan in game 5? From all indications the Suns are at least trying to play D, so when Amare comes back I'd expect to see him improve in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
If you were worth it I'd bo back at you. I'll stick to the bigger fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Again, take into account the offensive system Amare is in. Marion, Joe Johnson, and Amare's numbers are inflated because they fast break with no attention to defense. It's like when Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble average 50 pts each in college basketball. It was the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
Amare is great and I'm not taking a thing away from him, but Dwight has the potential to be a 7ft Shaq beast. He's already showing he's a more physical player than Amare in the rebounding department.
thanks for sparing me. I was afraid immediately after I hit the 'Submit' button. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Amare is athletic enough that the only ceiling on his ability to shut down his man is his desire. But he's never going to be a devastating patroller of the paint like great defensive post players are. Guys like Duncan and Ben Wallace can change the shots of every player on the opposing team. It's just not Amare's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Again, that's not a knock on Amare, who is an incredible player. He is a fantastic scorer. He benefits a lot from playing with Nash, but he would be really good pretty much anywhere, as long as he had someone who was capable of getting him the ball in good position.
But it's been over a decade since the NBA saw a great center enter the league, unless you count Duncan. And Howard looks like he can be the next one. That's a pretty big deal.
Defense can be learned. Look what Pop and Coach Brown do with everyone that plays for them. Like I said, I think the Suns are going to focus on D this season more. I guess we'll see when Amare comes back.
Defense can be learned, but only to a certain point. Dirk could be a lot better than he is, but no one will ever turn him into Ben Wallace, no matter how hard they try. He just doesn't have the same tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Amare has a lot of exceptional tools, but he doesn't have the same ones Wallace has, and he never will.
I have always thought it CAN be learned, fairly handily. All it would really take to train an offense-oriented powerhouse to think defensively is to get him to think about what it would take to stop himself when he's on offense and apply that if possible when the other team has the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeweather
Defense can be taught but some of it, actually quite a good portion of it, is just heart and want. Look at Bowen - he guards anyone Pop asks him to.
But Amare isn't a natural back-to-the-basket, pound-the-ball player on offense, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by pache100
Shaq and Amare are different types of players, and expecting Amare to pick up Shaq's post game is like expecting Shaq to play run-and-gun and step out to the perimeter for jump shots.
Playing great defense takes so much discipline, because you have to do it day in and day out, not just whenever u want. I compare it to running 10 miles every morning at 6am. You CAN do it, but how many actually will?
I think Bowen wasn't named to the NBA defensive team until he joined the Spurs. I don't if this a relevant fact or not
miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Named to the NBA’s All-Defensive Team each of the last four seasons (second team selection in 2001, 2002 and 2003 before earning first team honors in 2004)Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
He joined the Spurs in 2001-02. I guess he was named to the defensive team his last season with the Heat
not saying that dwight howard and amare stoudemire are not going to be amazing players in the future, they could, but there are many assumptions. People kept evaluating young players with a hockey stick curve, and it's just not reasonable. They expect these players to miraculously pick up skills with absolutely no evidence. People talk about Amare's potential to be an awesome defensive player based on one block on Duncan in last year's WCF? I have seen loads of awesome blocks by Shawn Bradley, but I would never say that he was an awesome defensive monster. Speaking of which, he is one classic example of people evaluating players based on the hockey stick curve. He haven't played college basketball for like 2 years when he declared for the draft, he sucked in college, but he was 7'6" and is relatively coordinated. So these scouts started to put in all these scenarios and expect him to turn into the next Ralph Sampson (without the injuries). Guess what? They didn't pan out, just like it didn't pan out for a whole lot of other next-Jordan/next-Magic/next-Wilt.
Going by the law of averages, it's pretty safe to say that neither of Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire will turn into an all-time great.
TP and Manu for Howard???
Kiss your repeat dreams good-bye.