wow did you see how he locked dwayne wade up last night - er wait actually he couldnt keep d wade in front of him for nothing. he needed help all the help he could get last night.
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wow did you see how he locked dwayne wade up last night - er wait actually he couldnt keep d wade in front of him for nothing. he needed help all the help he could get last night.
He must have done something right the Spurs still won the game. I dont care if Wade goes for 50, we still got a W. And actually he took 20 shots last night he was bound to be the high scorer.
I think Silent Bob would be the best one to address this particular thread.
The author of this thread is a douche of the first order.
Gee...he went 8-20...that's 0.400 for the mathematically challenged.
Coming into the game last night, Wade was shooting 0.452 for the season.
Sounds like a decent job to me.
You should be locked up as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
comicalQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by travis2
see i was man enough to come in here and give bruce bowen props- - he got used last night - he shot 8 for 20 because other spurs stepped up and he just missed shots. Bowen could not stay in front of him for anything - I doubt anybody can - why can't you apologists be man enough to admit he cannot guard Dwade?
not to mention that vicious dunk after he split 2 spurs and threw down on Timmy
wade is awesome.
Spurs won, by a LOT.
I don't see your point.
The Spurs suck because they won and wade had a good game?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLOLOLO LOOLOLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
DWade is a beast. Nevertheless, he won't be getting a ring anytime soon.
http://gblx.cache.el-mundo.net/elmun...s/wade_reu.jpg
If having to put down a player from his own team just to prove he was "right" in an old argument makes him feel happier than a Spurs win, let him.
His point is that he hates Bowen. And wants to prove that Bowen is too old and can't stay in front of any of the league's best scorers. Refer to any of his prior posts for the same mantra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec24Row7
If I was responding to a real post regarding this subject, here's what I'd say:
Dwyane Wade is awesome, though last night wasn't one of his better nights. At one point in the game he was 3-for-11 or 3-for-12. But he is definitely one of the more difficult players in the league for Bowen to guard.
kori - you know that isnt true - I have given Bowen his respect and recognized that he has played great defense on several players in the league - the issue at hand is some of you apologists think he can do no wrong and won't allow any critique - you think he can lock up any and everyone in the league and I say he cant. I was big enough to recognize my error -- why can't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Read my last post. I just said that Wade is definitely one of the most difficult people in the league for Bowen to guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Bullshit and bullshit.Quote:
the issue at hand is some of you apologists think he can do no wrong and won't allow any critique - you think he can lock up any and everyone in the league
Anyone who has followed Bruce's career has seen him get burned by great scorers. The thing that makes Bruce special is he never gives up in the face of that kind of ownage. He always comes back for more the next play, the next quarter, the next game, the next season -- learning from his mistakes and always throwing new looks at his covers. He's fucking relentless -- even more relentless than the worst douche of a troll that just hangs around for weeks waiting for some top 10 player to exceed his scoring average against Bruce.
In short:
Bruce > douche
Spurs 98
Heat 84
next.
Drew Rosenhaus-"Next Question"
Apparently this is the first time implacable has seen the Spurs' team defensive scheme of funnelling scorers into the big man.... And did you happen to notice that the entire Heat offense was predicated on screening Bowen off of Wade?
Let me repeat that...
BRUCE BOWEN WAS THE CENTRAL FACTOR OF THE ENTIRE HEAT OFFENSE LAST NIGHT.
couldn't have said it better myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
it would be hard for anyone to stay in front of wade when the head is setting like 100 picks for him. even the announcers said they never saw a team come on with such a focused plan for a defender...especially so early in the game. notice the few times he was alone with bruce and tried to cross him bruce would slide in front of him. then a big man could come to set a pick. anyway wade is one of my fav players...no one can guard him 1 on 1, but bruce did a helluva job frustrating him.
Good offense trumps good defense a majority of the time....
EDIT: Meant on an individual basis...
Wade rarely scored when Bruce was on him. Ginobili played Wade a lot and thats when Wade scored.
I don't think anyone has ever tried to contend that Bruce Bowen dominates the NBA's best perimeter players and is capable of shutting those guys down completely. I think the argument has always encompassed two ideas: (1) over time, in terms of creating inefficiency, Bowen wins those matchups more frequently than he loses them; and (2) there is nobody else in the NBA who wins those matchups as frequently as Bowen.
There's a reason great scorers score, and it's not because they are susceptible to being shut down for 4 quarters on many nights. Bowen's job isn't to hold Wade, Kobe, McGrady, or anyone else in that category to single digits every night. His job is to make them take a boatload of difficult shots under duress and earn whatever points they accumulate. Again, implacable, who is better in the NBA at doing that than Bowen on a night-in/night-out basis? I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with more than maybe 5 guys who are even remotely close.
They were setting picks on Bruce like no other, and on basically every play. Obviously he should have defied physics and gone THROUGH solid mass to stay with Wade. Bruce sucks. :rolleyes
When the other team's office revolves entirely around minimizing Bowen's D, we've already won.
bunch of apologists with black and silver colored glasses- d wayde doesnt need a pick to go around anyone. the team defense is one of the main reasons bowen is successful as a defender -- the other is his desire to be a great defender- which he is - but if it wasnt for the rest of the spurs playing help man and funneling people into tim - bruce would not be the defender he is -- he knows he has help so he is allowed to cheat or play more up on his man than he normally would. you guys are pathetic in your bias view of basketball. i was arguing with this cat yesterday named lonny - i guess he used to post here - anyway - he was talking about how you cant say anything negative about parker, bowen, ginobili, horry or duncan on this board or you get banned and stoned - i told him no way - the mavs apologists that i am subjected to up here are far worse than the spurs fans - -but i guess he was right - and kori i dont want to hear back from you until you finish our other conversation about shooting percentages etc..
Then why the fuck was that the entire gameplan last night?Quote:
bunch of apologists with black and silver colored glasses- d wayde doesnt need a pick to go around anyone
Did you notice when they stopped doing that for a stretch in the 3rd that was when Wade was having the most problems?
Your schtick is transparent.
You might consult with Stan Van Gundy about that assertion. He apparently disagreed with that idea last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
And the team defense works because Bruce is an exceptional on the ball defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
So he's a great defender, but he's not a great defender?Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Translation: You guys don't agree with me and I can't possibly be wrong, so you are a bunch of pathetic homers.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
If that's true, why on Earth do you have any interest in discussing any of this with anyone here?
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
actually I don't because you guys are a bunch of homer clowns. I said Bruce was a great defender and he is because of the Spurs team defense. If we went to a gym and Dwayne Wade walked in and Bruce Bowen was there - wade would kill him off the dribble - the pick and roll is part of the offense the HEAT ALWAYS RUN no matter who they play.
Wade's dunk over Duncan was SICK!
A pick and roll would involve Wade passing the ball to the player who set a screen for him. You're talking about Wade scoring all over Bowen.Quote:
the pick and roll is part of the offense the HEAT ALWAYS RUN no matter who they play.
Make up your mind.
That's all find and dandy, but you do realize that Bowen was as proficient defensively when he played in Miami, right? In Miami, with bigs like Brian Grant and Anthony Mason (Zo played 13 games in 2001 and Bowen was 2nd Team All-NBA defense).Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
The NBA game isn't about who would shut down who in a gym, unless you're concerned more with SportsCenter highlights than with wins and titles.
If we're a bunch of homers, why do you even bother?
true...he doesn't NEED picls to go around anyone, just like the spurs dont NEED to pass the ball around when they can simply pound it into duncan all the time. however, my, implacable friend, it creates a more efficient offense because there are more options off a pick and roll than to simply break a man down. plus its easier...by far. and like i said. there were a few times wade tried to cross him, bu bruce went in his way, then the pick came. i was pleased with bruce's defense and pleased with the help side defense that came after bruce got picked off
For a bunch of homers, we sure do pick on Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Tim Duncan, Rasho, Nazr, Barry, Malik Rose, David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Steve Smith, Hedo Turkoglu, Derek Anderson and Charlie Ward a lot.
Bowen escapes a lot of criticism primarily because you'd have to be pretty dense to miss what he brings to the team.
Who cares what would happen in a one on one situation!? The NBA is a team sport. Bruce plays terrific defense on anyone he's covering, I think you even admit that. No one's saying he's God and can do no wrong though, wtf are you trying to accomplish with threads like these? We don't need a thread calling him out every time an opposing guard scores over 20 pts.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Going forward I will disregard all your comments about basketball knowledge - You obviously have never played or studied basketball the pick and roll serves one purpose - and that purpose is not to pass the ball to the guy who set the pick - that purpose is to force the defense to make a decision that will lead to an offensive advantage - several options - both guys go with the pick leaving the ball handler free to penetrate or shoot a jumper - or both defender go under the pick leaving an open j - both guys attack the ball handler leaving the pass open to the guy setting the pick for a dunk or a jumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Bowen plays hard defense and succesfully contains teams stars night in and night out. He can guard multiple positions from PG to SF. And a Spur fan is gonna call him out the one night he doesn't do a great job?????
These kind of spur fans make me sick
Maybe we can package this Bowen fellow with that dead weight Duncan?
he was a lot younger back then too. i dont know if he was as efficient though - what years was he with the heat again --well which time i guess would be more appropriate - he was signed and let go by the heat numerous times and if he was such a staunch defender why didnt he stick on any team for more than 1 year and a half until he came to san antonio - waived by the bulkls - waived by the heat - waived by the celtics - and on and on -Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
i am not taking away his value to the spurs --this team is an absolute perfect fit for him. PERFECT and he excels here thanks to the team defense -- but he did not shut down or impede dwayne wade
this is an ongoing conversation el guapo-- probably should have just pm'ed the guy it was meant for.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
WTF is your point?? Duncan, Manu, Kobe, AI, etc,etc everyone has a bad night once in a while. Not that Bowen had a bad night, for your info, Manu guarded Wade just as much. Are u gonna call him out too???Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Wade made half his points from the free throw line, cause the refs were calling everything.
I say STFU fake ass fan.
huh?? this is a freaking thread on the Spurs board moron. And ure the fan that makes me sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
I say piss off and go away idiota. the refs were calling everything ? bowen didnt deserve those 5 fouls that forced pop to put manu on him so bowen didnt foul out in the first half ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
Do you want the stats for every play Bowen has defended on? How about the tons of coaches, players, and fans that talk about how great a defender he is? How about Kobe's performance in the LA game?Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
then go get some tussin homie - you are not my concern. i should have pmed fromwaydowntown to avoid idiots like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
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Originally Posted by Useruser666
already been discussed - we discussed kobes and mcgradys performances against other teams and how they played worse than they did against the spurs.
why don't u try sticking ur head up your ass see if it fits :)Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
why dont you stop putting stuff in yours ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
So then what? Is he not a good defender? Does he not make the opposing players job on offense harder? Did he not punish Kobe for leaving him with 5-7 fg? What about Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Rip Hamilton, and Melo during last years playoffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Give it a rest man. Bruce has merely fooled the entire league into thinking he's an elite defender. He's fooled the coaches into making their offenses revolve around him AND fooled voters into making him DPOY runner up. This internet wonk knows more than all of them put together.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
never said that -- how come he never stuck anywhere before here?
:lol
This disscussion is funny, but keep going.
Ps. I think that Wade is one of the players which Bowen have a lot trouble with. Bowen is a great 1-1 defender and also great team defender (maybe even more). The defense is defense no amtter the athleticism and all the funny stuff. The defender must prevent the basket.
Stay on topic.
Riley wanted him back and made him an offer much larger than the Spurs'.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
You really aren't very bright, are you.
you are pretty dense arent you ? I did not ask 1 question and the heat had him and let him go a few times - as did the celtics - sixers etc -- but you already knew that -Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Pointing to Bowen's transience before 2001 as proof that his defense is aided only by playing for the Spurs suggests that his defensive prowess always existed.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
It's certainly reasonable to conclude that after years of bouncing around, Bowen made a decision to work hard on his defense and through that process, became such a good defender that he never had to worry about being cut again. Those would seem to be the true facts, after all.
Why are posts getting deleted??
it never happened before, that's what I liked about this board!
Cause we are actually a defense-oriented team, which Bowen thrives in. He didn't succeed as much until he found the perfect team for his style of play. You basically already answered that question yourself, douche...Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
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Originally Posted by implacable44
That wasn't your question, was it?Quote:
I did not ask 1 question and the heat had him and let him go a few times - as did the celtics - sixers etc -- but you already knew that -
Your respective mothers have nothing to do with this topic.Quote:
Why are posts getting deleted??
it wasnt ? my question was how come he never stuck anywhere before here. and you only addressed his last stint with heat when slick was his coach -Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Okay, even though everyone else is doing a good job of making implacable look like a twit, I'm gonna jump in here.
Then why did every single Miami play for DWade start off with attempting to screen Bowen? EVERY SINGLE TIME.Quote:
bunch of apologists with black and silver colored glasses- d wayde doesnt need a pick to go around anyone.
You should have stopped here, you wouldn't look so dumb.Quote:
the other is his desire to be a great defender- which he is -
He plays up on his man because he knows NBA players aren't comfortable unless they have their three feet of personal space. Take it away, you make the guy uncomfortable.Quote:
he knows he has help so he is allowed to cheat or play more up on his man than he normally would.
Hell, what am I saying? When I played in HS, and also playing pick up ball in college, it was the same way. Offensive players hate having someone in their grill.
Actually you're the pathetic one. You have your panties in a wad about Bruce Bowen, always have on this site. And you are trying to argue that you know more about Bowen than the league's coaches, GMs, and opposing players who aren't whiny bitches.Quote:
you guys are pathetic in your bias view of basketball.
THAT'S pathetic and biased.
What more do I need to address? You implied he was never wanted, I showed he was. Game over.Quote:
my question was how come he never stuck anywhere before here. and you only addressed his last stint with heat when slick was his coach -
no actually my previous post detailed all teams he played for. i didnt say he wasnt wanted - i asked why he didnt stick anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
you played highschool and pick up ball in college so you know offensive players hate having someone in their grill ? I played too and I love it when someone gets in my grill when i have the ball in my hand - that is the challenge and it much much easier to get around someone who gets all in your grill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Right, and I answered he chose not to stick in Miami. I can't dumb it down for you any more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
you dont have to dumb it down for me -- you are dumbing it down for yourself because that is the only way it suits your purpose. he got waived by miami - philly and boston and miami again. dumb it down for you to support the chumpmentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Does it matter? The Spurs won. Bottom line....that is all that counts.
This isn't some static situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Bruce made himself a great defender after being waived several times. His improvement as a defender has made him much more valuable to teams than he was before 2001. It's not like the teams that waived Bowen before 2001 were waiving a player with the same skills and mindset that he now has.
You might ask Mark Cuban why there were such ramblings a few years ago about the Mavericks trying to lure Bowen to Dallas. It's probably because Bruce is just some replaceable piece. :rolleyes
I'll put it in Tarzan-speak so maybe if you read it slowly some 20-watt bulb may go off in that haed of yours.
Bruce not as good before.
Bruce got better.
Riley want Bruce stick after Bruce better.
Bruce choose no stick Riley.
Bruce Spur.
Douche think Spur Bruce same France Bruce.
Douche wrong.
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Originally Posted by implacable44
So three teams that haven't won championships in decades don't want a player that the Spurs have integrated into the foundation of their success, and the Spurs are the idiots? The votes for the All-D first team are rigged by the Teamsters in an effort to keep the foriegner Dirk from getting on? Kobe shots 9 for 32 because he is afraid to take it to Rasho in the paint? What point are you trying to make? Other than a vitriol-induced back-handed compliment? Damn, Bruce is going to have to take out a TRO on you. :rolleyes
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
On that whole screening thing we've all apparently imagined -- from today's Daily Dime:
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Originally Posted by Unapologetic Spurs Homer, John Carroll of Scouts, Inc.
Impy's getting owned.
Bowen's success defending the best in the league tends to get better with experience. Once Bruce develops more knowledge on where Wade wants the ball, he will get progressively better in making Wade work harder for everything he gets. Bruce has seen much more of Kobe, T-Mac, Allen and Carter, and his experience in how to slow their games is thus more evident.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
Wade, based on his size and physical skills, is obviously one of the tougher players and toughest matchups Bruce will have in the league. But as good as Wade is, he does not have anything on the four mentioned above, except that Bruce has seen much less of him on the floor.
If Wade does not need screens to consistantly get away from Bruce, why was the entire Heat offense predicated on setting multiple screens on every set? I guess SVG does not know how easy Wade could beat Bruce. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
As to your next point, what is it that you don't understand about NBA Hoops being a TEAM sport?
Players become great players only if they know how to play within and through their TEAM. This is not a game of horse, or one on one. It is NBA hoops, where the only title that counts in the NBA Championship. That takes great players who understand how to play as a TEAM ... period. When one tries to critize a player's greatness, saying he would not be great without his team, it is clear they don't have a clue as to what the game is all about.
Another hint for you in regards to critizing Spurs players on this board. It is not only allowed, it is incouraged ... when it is valid. But when it reaks of ignorance like your lame BS, it is quickly shot down.
This is the funniest part of the whole thread. You just sit and make up crap. No one has ever been banned for saying anything bad about Spurs players. I think your "friend" has our board confused with someone else's. And I'm sorry you don't want to "hear back" from me, I just was calling you right now. :rolleyes If you don't want to read any of my posts about Bowen, then I suggest you scroll. I already killed you on the field goal conversation.Quote:
he was talking about how you cant say anything negative about parker, bowen, ginobili, horry or duncan on this board or you get banned and stoned - i told him no way - the mavs apologists that i am subjected to up here are far worse than the spurs fans - -but i guess he was right - and kori i dont want to hear back from you until you finish our other conversation about shooting percentages etc..
As for last night if you watched the game, as several people pointed out here, Wade wasn't even primarily Bruce's assignment. He was guarded by Manu, Tony, Bruce, and just about every other Spur. As a team, they guarded him fairly well.
I have already said in this thread that one-on-one Wade is a difficult matchup for Bowen. But I believe that's primarily because Bowen hasn't had that many opportunities to guard him yet. Last season Wade was out one of the games against the Spurs and I believe the season before, that was the case as well. The more that Bowen guards Wade, the better he'll get at it. That's his M.O.
You aren't even a Spurs fan, so it's time you change "your team" under name. There's no reason to undercover troll here. Be proud.
I'm a rookie to these boards, so I'm obviously missing something here. Did Bruce run over Implacable's dog or something?
The only thing revealing about your statement that Wade would kill Bruce off the dribble one on one, is your ignorance of the game. Because I am a nice guy, and I have taken on the mission is to eradicate ignorance from this board, I will try in my way to help you. :smokinQuote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
The first thing you should know; NBA hoops is a TEAM game, so your entire point is moot. But since you insist on exposing your mindless chatter, let us move on to solving your ignorance.
Just to clue you in so you don't appear quite as ignorant the next time you decide to play the @ss, the skilled offensive player will always have the advantage when matched against the skilled defensive players ONE ON ONE.
You can take any top defensive player of any era, even those who would be classified as great one on one defenders, and matched against the top offensive players of all time ONE ON ONE, the defender would get beaten more often than they make stops.
Jordan got waived by his high school teamQuote:
you dont have to dumb it down for me -- you are dumbing it down for yourself because that is the only way it suits your purpose. he got waived by miami
He obviously never got better either :spin
I can't believe this thread has gone 4 pages. I just checked the game log and Wade scored 24 points while Bowen was on the floor. 14 on FGs and 10 on FTs. Only 3 of the FTs came on fouls by Bowen.
The Spurs sagged with 3 across the front on Wade to inhibit his penetrations. They also doubled Wade and switched off screens. That's why this thread is so ridiculous.
Who let the espn trolls in?
In football, the guy who gets double teamed and chipped the entire game doesn't get the sack, but he's no less responsible for the fact that his teammates get to the quarterback, or for the team getting a win. Wade getting lots of points after his team was down by 20 points is really really impressive, and we should all agree that Bruce Bowen sucks.
why wouldnt bruce be assigned to wade ssince he is the best player ? looked to me like he was checking him -- but whatever -Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
and how did you own me - tried to say 40% is better than 30% and I told you not really because some dude that shoots 3 for 10 from the 3 point line and another dude shots 4 for 10 for 2 who is the more efficient one ? and you took percentages from one game and tried to compare it to a whole season - you are pathetic with the rest of the apologists - dont you have an obituary or some minute article to write?
now as for the obsession with the picks - the spurs run the pick and roll - does parker need them to get open ? no -- it creates mismatches and opportunities. for you low bball iq folks and in the words of the extreme chump i cant dumb it down for you anymore unless we go into x's and o;s .-
chump -- nice tarzan speak - it becomes you - if you cant admit you only addressed the part of the post to suit your arguement then you have integrity issues and that creates issues because you are dishonest even with yourself.
Sure, Red Auerbach -- but there's also a difference between running a guy off of screens to spring him and playing pick-and-roll. You're right that pick and roll is designed to create mismatches. But the Heat weren't playing pick and roll last night. They were setting screens all over the place not to create mismatches, but to spring Wade by freeing him from Bowen. Had the Heat played screen-roll last night, you might have a point, but they weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
If you want to go x's and o's from an actual game, don't bring fiction to try to bolster an invalid point.
can i buy a vowel?
Wrong answer. Of course Parker needs screens to get open. The Spurs even run the 4 down the middle after COP to give Tony space. It's part of basketball. Quit posing. It doesn't fit you. Back to the shallow pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
You have it on reverse. You said he couldn't guard any elite wing this year, he proceeded to lock up Kobe, LeBron, Pierce, TMac and Dirk.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
It is just sad that a person got owned for saying that Bruce Bowen cannot stop an elite wing this year, and come back every single time Bowen didn't completely stop another player when nobody ever said that Bowen can stop every single elite player every single game just to prove that his/her original assessment was correct.
The sad part does not come in the lack of ability to admit him/herself being wrong in the first place, it comes in the part where a person does not have any ability to understand and remember what s/he was originally arguing about.
But if putting down a Spurs player for his lack of ability to stop an opposing player makes you happy because it shows that Bowen cannot shut down every single person in the league, then go ahead, it still doesn't change the fact that he is one of the leading candidates for DPoY, and the Spurs are having a very good record despite not playing to their potential yet.
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I suppose everybody is wrong but you. People say negative things about Duncan ALL the time, same with Parker, Ginobili, Rasho and well, every single member of the Spurs. Even a Spurs legend like David Robinson and George Gervin gets their share of criticism. To throw out a blanket statement that negative statements about Spurs players are not allowed on this board is not just incorrect, it exposes you as either a person who doesn't spend anytime reading other people's posts, or a person with absolutely no ability to absorb information that you do not agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
And what is that don't want to hear back from Kori thing about? She can reply to whichever post whenever she wants. What are you now? Trying to limit how people reply on this board?
Oh my goodness, this is the most idiotic thing I have heard about. Do you know why it's called the pick and roll? It's because the person who sets the pick rolls to the basket, opening up MORE options than you just described. True, both of what you said could take place after the pick, but the one who sets the pick can also roll to the basket if both defenders follow the ball handler, a pass would made to the one setting the pick rolling to the basket, resulting in an easy layup. The one who sets the pick can also pop out, and get a wide open jumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
But then of course, if you were coaching you would ask both defenders to "go with the pick", who, might I remind you, is NOT the one with the ball. I mean, let me get my head around this. Say Player B sets a pick for Player A, player A has the ball, now I am on defense, and when I see Player B setting the pick, I just think to myself. "Gee, Player B doesn't have the ball, let's go guard him" :rolleyes
And to have you critique other people's basketball knowledge on this? This is just absolutely ridiculously funny.
BTW, some suggestions on your comebacks. Pick on my grammar and spelling, go ahead, English isn't even my first language.
Before then, read up
http://www.guidetocoachingbasketball...tm#PLAY%20%233
He played HS ball, so he MUST know that teams run the screen and roll so that they do not get the ball to the one setting the pick. :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by implacable44
:lmao :lmao :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Beerjitsu
Probably, and maybe Bruce didn't pass him the ball after he set a pick for Bruce last time they were playing the game at the Y. No wait, the whole point for him setting the pick was because he doesn't want to get the ball back :lmao
This was just too much.
Implacable's not even arguing anymore, he's throwing out insults. . . I think it's pretty clear who's lost
Yeah, you are the only one with high bball IQ. I mean, who can argue with you about not passing the ball to the guy setting the pick? I guess the old Jazz pick and roll system was all wrong, what's with Malone setting a pick for Stockton, rolling to the basket, getting a sweet pass and an easy layup? The defenders should all crowd around Malone every single time, so Stockton can roll to the basket or shoot a jumper. Damn, Stockton should have been 2nd in the all-time scoring list, and Malone should just be #1 on the all time not getting the ball after setting the pick list.Quote:
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The whole thing started because he thought Manu was a better defender than Bruce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beerjitsu
It's a tar baby thread.
Just for conversation's sake, the old, seasoned veteran announcer for ESPN, Brent Musberger noticed special Bowen attention before the 1st period was over in the Miami game. He said something like, the Heat are just relentless. They are sending high screens at Bruce Bowen every play. It's very seldom that you see a defensive player become the focal point like that.
The screens they sent at Bruce weren't really even screen/rolls that often. They were basically blockers sent to free up the movers, specifically Wade. Just good solid back-screens or up-screens, and if those didn't work just screen and re-screen to be sure to nail Bruce.
Through all that Wade only made 7 FGs while Bruce was on the floor.
When the guy gets 3 picks set for him per possesion, its hard for anyone to stay with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by implacable44