Detroit Pistons

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Originally Posted by spurs=bling

had it been in the SBC would you have let us live it down?


i understand there was a foul called but ben should have shaken it off and kept on going with the game

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I can't pin this on Ben, because hot headed player on player squabbles happen ALL the time. We almost had a nice one at the end of the last Lakers @ Heat game, actually. YES, Ben should of shrugged it off. Maybe the brawl wouldn't of happened then. But then again, it wouldn't of happened if Ron hadn't fouled him, if Ben hadn't gone for the basket, or if the whole damn game didn't even happen in the first place. If you want to pin the blame on someone, pin it on the fan. But everyone who got their suspensions after that game deserved them. A lot of innocent fans got hurt, some of them by the players themselves. (like that poor guy that Ron clobbered to start off... if I remember correctly he wasn't the guy who threw the cup)

We're never going to be able to live this down. But everyone has to realize that this can happen anywhere... all you need is a stupid fan and something to set him off. That was really all my original point was.

Putting all that aside, I really enjoy games at the Palace. They're a lot of fun. Mason does a great job of getting the crowd fired up, though I really have to admit I don't like some of the things he does with the player's names (B-B-B-Billups and whatever it is going on with McDyess' name). Also, has anyone noticed that our dancers have a problem with dancing in synch? Kind of funny to watch sometimes.

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Originally Posted by spurs=bling

true it happened, but it wasn't televised

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So, if the brawl happened after the game had already ended and the telecast was done (and thereby not being televised), you wouldn't talk about it?

Yeah right ... nice logic.

Brawl talk...

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

I blame the media...

And the parents of Ron Artest and SJax...

And Corporate America...

And George W. Bush...

And most of all Matt Millen...

In Ben's defense, the Pacers were up by 15 with 45 seconds to go...and Artest gave him a hard foul.

"the Pacers were up by 15 with 45 seconds to go"

I asked the question then, and it's still valid now: WTF were the starters doing on the floor in the last minute of a blow-out?

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Originally Posted by boutons_

"the Pacers were up by 15 with 45 seconds to go"

I asked the question then, and it's still valid now: WTF were the starters doing on the floor in the last minute of a blow-out?

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It is fucking Larry Brown. We could be up by 30, and he would take teh starters out with like 20 seconds to go, because the other team can magically go "Reggie" and score 31 points...oh and he made sure Darko got to the scorers table with 5 seconds to go in the game, while the other team had the ball, to get his hopes up.

The Pistons players didn't really do anything IMO, it was the fans. Yeah, Ben shouldn't have pushed Artest, but he should have gotten a technical foul. None of the other players did anything. Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal were the only ones along with the fans making fools of themselves.

please let this thread die.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

I'm generally not in the business of prediction smack talk, then hiding from the boards for a while when I'm wrong. The post you quoted was in response to Rummpd's claim that the Pistons were in for a "rude awakening." If you understand that, you realize my point is that the Detroit Pistons know very well that the Spurs are a great team and are capable of beating them. There was no possibility for a "rude awakening," in my opinion. It wasn't about me predicting what will happen as much as it was responding to his comment.

So, now that you have the context to go along with your patronizing post, you can take my comments for what they're worth ... just one man's opinion.

As for "never being wrong" by covering all my bases ... again, I'm not going around claiming the "Pistons are definitely the better team" or "Pistons will win if they're healthy." I'll say that I expect the Pistons to play well or that they have a good chance to win. But, to go around and adamantly boasting that my team will crush the other or that there will be some kind of rude awakening is just not something I'm interested in posting. I just try to enjoy the games and congratulate whichever team wins. I'm not a soothsayer or a prophet. I'm just a Pistons fan who appreciates good basketball. The Spurs are a great team, and if they beat the Pistons, all the praise and accolades should go to them ... not the fans who predict they would win. When I cover all my bases, I may never wrong, but I'm also never right, so I can't gloat like some fans do. Just a fan. I'll argue facts. I'll leave the predicting smack talk to the rest of you ...

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You may have taken my joke about you covering all the bases just a little wrong. Anyone who has watched this game for a while knows that on any given night, almost anything can happen. Especially early in the year before most of the good teams really jell. Otherwise, I was not disagreeing with your wise post, just pointing out in fun, that it did appear to cover most of the bases.

And props to you, as you expressed real gut feeling was right on the way the game played out!

I agree with almost everything Jamstone says. The pistons are looking like a championship team but it could easily be the spurs again. It will be interesting to watch.

Dear Pistons Fans:

I was wrong that the Pistons "were in for a rude awakening" as the Spurs simply did not show up whether it be from fatigue, an unexplainable lack of caring for a X Mas game, or an over-confidence etc. Also, as I continue to watch the Pistons their bench is not being given enough credit - it does not play a lot, but when it does, at various positions it is very effective.

One has to give credit to the Pistons as well, in a close game going into the 4th they simply got it done.

Looking forward to the 12th of a re-match between 2 very good teams as a probable prelude to a great finals. A positive that seemed to come out of a bad game for the Spurs was the unleashing of Nazr, who had another effective game in his minutes last night.

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Originally Posted by spurs=bling

had it been in the SBC would you have let us live it down?


i understand there was a foul called but ben should have shaken it off and kept on going with the game

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There was bad blood between the two as that wasn't the first time the two had squared off. Big Ben's shove, towel throw or even the idiot person that threw the beer were not the reason it escalated out of control, that falls on one person, Ron Artest. All hell broke loose after he went into the stands.

For that reason I personally don't care if someone wants to bring it up, it's
not even close to being an indictment on Piston Fans. That assessment is called sterotyping and it's an unwarranted slap in the face to the real Piston Fans.

If it had happened at the SBC I would have felt the same way, Artest's fault and a reflection only on the person that threw something not the entire fan base.


The person that threw the beer was an idiot impersonating a fan.

Richard Hamilton through a cheap shot on Ron Artest about 5 minutes earlier in the 4th quarter and plus Ben Wallace relative died earler that week. I think at least 20% of NBA players would have went into the stands after getting that treatment.

Then I would agree 20% of NBA players are complete imbeciles.

pistons win again beat miami. Unbelievable, these guys refuse to lose.

I loved the crowd chanting MVP MVP MVP for billups.

Pistons look pretty much unstoppable, if they keep this style of play up with a healthy season they are on pace for 70-74 wins.

If the Pistons get too far ahead in the race for HCA I can see the bench, including Darko, playing heavy minutes the last several weeks of the season, that might result in a few losses. The Pistons care less about 70 wins.

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Originally Posted by THE X-FACTOR

The Pistons care less about 70 wins.

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Good thing, because they have little chance of getting there, despite recent great play.

The "target" that favorites carry has been getting much bigger on the Pistons recently. There will be a stretch in the schedule, or perhaps a few, where the demands of travel, the huge target on their chest against teams wanting to make their year, and nagging or more serious injury will cause a couple of bad weeks. And there are still several teams who can develop into very strong competition with the Pistons, even if travel, rest and injury are about the same.

Been there done that already, thats where two of our losses came from.

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Originally Posted by 5ToolMan

Good thing, because they have little chance of getting there, despite recent great play.

The "target" that favorites carry has been getting much bigger on the Pistons recently. There will be a stretch in the schedule, or perhaps a few, where the demands of travel, the huge target on their chest against teams wanting to make their year, and nagging or more serious injury will cause a couple of bad weeks. And there are still several teams who can develop into very strong competition with the Pistons, even if travel, rest and injury are about the same.

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target = Dallas loss
demands of travel = Utah loss
teams wanting to make their year = Washington double OT loss
serious injury will cause a couple of bad weeks = Dallas and Utah losses

so don't worry those things you pointed out have accounted for all 3 of the Pistons losses and they could have lost more if they were such a balanced team, when Sheed has an off night Prince picks it up, when Hamilton does, Evans picks his game up, when they need a spark Delfino comes in and dunks on the other teams big man.....

I hope this thread gets put in the NBA section. If my "What Would Kobe Do?" thread gets moved there, this one should also. This is not Spurs. Your just racist against me.

why would this thread be moved??? we are talking about a SPURS/Pistons possible finals rematch.

Because I'm white.

Right now with 6 minutes to go in first half Pistons getting hammered by the Cavs - too early to predict a loss, but will see.

Pistons very cold, they will warm up, and the Cavs will cool off. A LONG way to go.