INDIANA trades Ron Artest, Jamal Tinsley to NEW YORK
NEW YORK trades Stephon Marbury and Trevor Ariza to INDIANA
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INDIANA trades Ron Artest, Jamal Tinsley to NEW YORK
NEW YORK trades Stephon Marbury and Trevor Ariza to INDIANA
Hmmm.....Pacer management would have to be smoking some serious crack to pull that trade out of their pockets. Great trade for the Knicks. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Tim Thomas- Ron Artest Trade. I don't think Ron would mind playing for the Bulls, considering it is under new and improved management. Similar coaching styles, but not identical. Skiles might be more hard-lined. Chicago would take his ass in. Tim Thomas would take the chance to play for a Championship caliber team. I would think he might even fit well into the mix. Good trade? I believe the contracts would be similarly close. Anyone know?
TT's contract is close to double Artest. Paxson will not take Artest back. The Bulls are a team on the rise, filled with young players. Deng and Nocioni cover the SF position just fine.
Artest would love to play for the Knicks who have trouble scoring at times, need a true SF, and is in his hometown.
did you make this trade up or did you hear the rumor?
:lol If Artest hates playingt in the Indy system, because it's "too confining" wait unitl he gets a load of Larry Brown's offense.
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Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
:lol
Sure it's "highly likely". New York will trade for anybody, heck they took Rose off our hands didn't they? That's like saying that it's highly likely that Atlanta will not make the playoffs this year and that you have a reliable source who can back you up. You crack me up GiG!
I doubt that Indiana will part with him, but I've been surprised before.
I'd be surprised to see the Pacers trade him to a team in the East unless it would be to a non-contender like Toronto or the Hawks.
per walsh they willQuote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
see nba forum
I don't see why Indiana would want Marbury.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
I think they'll definitely trade him. But he's basically asked to go to New York, so I don't think that they are going to jump to abide by his wishes (unless they can get rid of Croshere's contract too). As someone else said in this thread, they'll try to deal him to the Western Conference and to a non-contender.
By the way G_i_G, Artest and Tinsley make a total of about $11M while Marbury and Ariza total $17M. So there'd have to be more involved to the trade than that.
he is not going to the eastern conference.
He will get traded somewhere where they can get
a) a young player and/or unprotected pick.
AND
b) the shortest matching veteran contract in return, if required, as deal ballast.
They can't get value for him. That's a given at $6.8M. What they can get is potential, and no bad contracts in return. Marubry would be a horrible pickup. He's just as bad for chemistry as Ron, and makes easily twice as much, and has YEARS left on that deal.
I'd rather have tinsley than Me-bary
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Originally Posted by exstatic
:lol :lol :lol
I hope the trade happens just so I can watch he and Brown duke it out. I can see it now.
:lol :lol :lol
Artest, Jermaine,Tinsley for Zaza Pechulia is a rumor that I heard.
GiG, stop using racial slurs!
for lamar odom?
Latest from espn was he was going to NY for Q-Rich. :)
"TurnNiggazDreams2Flames"
"Im off tha chain nigga."
Last time I checked, the N-Word was racial.
Many actual black people are offended by a wigger like you using "niggaz" in your user name. So please don't use it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
No one calls you anything racial. Several black people have complained. Just don't use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
Back to the topic of Artest.
I am not black, but my cousin is. And he cant stand it when white people use the N-Word.
Well I can't stand it either and I'm not black. So it won't be used anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
So do the Kings even want Artest? Or is Peja for Artest just a media fabrication?
That wouldn't go over at all for the kings. Miller is a nut already.
What would it take for the Spurs to get Artest?
He would be a great Bowen replacement in a season or two and could really floursih in the Spurs' disciplined, winning system.
Rasho + ?
That's all it would take financially. Just Rasho. Or Just Nazr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
But I don't think the Spurs would risk bringing on a headcase like Artest (no matter how appealing it may seem).
I think Artest would be the perfect player for the Spurs...
as long as they continually slip anti-depressants and anti-psychotics into his food, and NEVER miss a dose.
Artest is 100%, dyed in the wool fucking NUTS.
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Originally Posted by flash gordon
That's racistQuote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
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Originally Posted by flash gordon
Read between the lines in Artest's request....
He wants to get traded to a team that will be able to pay him a huge extension.... Ginobili is paid well below the value of his play and contribution... that's what makes his disposition and loyalty to this team so special.... Plus it doesn't take a genius to know that by playing alongside Duncan you get a championship proven formula...
Anyways Artest is leaving Indy because Jermaine O'Neal's contract is too big a piece in the salary cap pie for him to get that extension he wants... He knows people like Isaiah are thrifty enough to give him dough though.
In the next three years Duncan, Ginobili and yes even Parker are untradable commodities.
Artest trade scenarios that 'scare' me....
1. Artest to Dallas... (under AJ's tutelage, Dallas-D would finally be elite)
2. Artest to Phoenix...
3. Artest to Seattle... (I believe a deal for Radmanovic and Flip would work, and Radmanovic has already voiced his desire to leave Seattle)
I found this on one of the RealGM forums.
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USA Today's David Dupree listrd 10 teams that could be in the market for Artest, and what combinations of players he thought would likely have to be in the deal:
NEW YORK: Frye, Crawford, Nate Robinson
LA LAKERS: Odom, Walton
DENVER: Andre Miller, Nene. Earl Watson, Boykins
MINNESOTA: Szczerbiak + Hassell
DALLAS: Josh Howard, Devin Harris
SEATTLE: Rashard Lewis, Radmanovich, Flip Murray
CHICAGO: Deng, Duhon
SACRAMENTO: Peja
CLEVELAND: Ilgauskis, Larry Hughes
PHILADELPHIA: Dalembert, Korver, Iguodala
knicks would be a fool to trade frye
Donnie walsh said that he doesn't want a vetern, he wants youth, talent, potential draft picks.
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
just like many white and black people are offended by using the word Wigger so dont use that anymore either.
what about offering nazr for artest..maybe throw in an international player's rights..
Dallas won't dump Howard and Harris for Artest.
I would love to see Artest replace Bowen if he weren't such a fucking headcase. Not even Pop can handle that guy. He's beyond learning to play with others and won't be in the league long enough to be the franchise player he wants to be. He's living in a bit of a delusional world.
I was thinking about what Western teams the Pacers might talk to. Things seem to be sinking in Sacramento, and the Maloofs are always looking to deal. I could see Cuban falling over himself to get Artest to Dallas. Denver needs to do something, too, because they appear to be slipping a couple of rungs this year. If I was a betting man I'd pick one of those three.
you could add houston to that list
Rumors in Indy are Artest for Peja.
That deal would suck for the Pacers I would think. I don't know who else would have to be involved to make that work. Doesn't Peja make more than Artest?
I think Artest just needs a fresh start...A place where people are nice & friendly & understanding & don’t throw things at players...Staples Center comes to mind...I have it on good authority... (PLEASE DON’T ASK) me to reveal my sources....That the Lakers are talking to Indiana right now...Slava, Devean George & maybe a draft pick for Artest....Ron would have a chance to flourish as the 4th option behind Kobe, Lamar & Smush... :smokin
Peja for Artest straight up work under the cba rules. (Peja $7.6M and artest $6.5M)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
On the market: The Lakers might not make a play for disgruntled Indiana forward Ron Artest, who has demanded to be traded, but Jackson made it clear that he holds Artest in high regard.
"I don't see how you're going to get value out of this player who in my estimation is one of the most valuable players in the league," Jackson said. "Of course, I estimate him perhaps higher than other people. But I think he's a terrific player. He adds a big dimension to every game he plays in."
I'm sure several teams have contacted Indiana thinking they are the ones who could handle this guy.
Trading for Peja is about the best even value they will find for him at that salary.
How come a lot of people have said they wish he could replace Bowen if their roles are completely different? How would that work if we use Bowen as a role player and Artest is a star?
Artest wants to go somewhere where he can be more of a scorer - it'd be stupid to go to LA, where Kobe has trouble sharing the ball with ANYONE and they have Odom waiting for some shots.
Sacramento trade their leading scorer and face of their franchise for a guy who's currently injured and with a questionable history of team chemistry? Stupid, stupid move.
Trade Artest to Atlanta and get Al Harrington back. Let him finish the rest of the season in basketball hell and see whether he wants back...
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Originally Posted by Sportcamper
Who are your sources???
That would be an absolute fleecing and, as a Piston fan, would hope that this trade happens...
Is it a good thing when Ducks & I understand one another? :lol
gig wishes he was a nig.
Nazr + Beno. Otherwise, pass.
Why have a roll player like Bowen (great defensive player lacks offense) when you could have a two way impact player like Artest...(great defensive player, good offensive player)Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp21
I AM NOT SAYING THIS TRADE IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR THAT I EVEN WANT IT TO, JUST POINTING SOMETHING OUT.
Pacers are looking for young talent. I heard somewhere that they would probably trade Artest for a young talent that they think will be very good in a few years.
If I were the Pacers, I would try to get SG, PF or C. They don't have much depth at those spots. Especially at the C spot, they don't have anyone that is good and plus Foster, Pollard, Croshere (undersized) are kinda old.
If the two-way impact player is a loon who is going to leave you in two years anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by Que Gee
Since when is 28 old?
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Originally Posted by Sportcamper
Translation: Lakers are offering Trash, Garbage and a lottery pick for Artest.
LOL, if Artest is your 4th option can you really afford to have TWO starters continually scoring 0 points against teams like the wolves?
No Way do i believe that the kings would consider peja/artest at this stage. They can get better. Plus Artest, Bonzi, and Brad Miller would make the blazers of yesteryear look like Ghandi.
Oh yeah, one more thing: I don't know how any self-respecting Spurfan who witnessed Rodman's abandonment of this team could possibly entertain the notion of taking on a guy who sabotaged his team's chances at the championship two years in a row.
ESPN.com
Dec 13, 2005
Link: ESPN
NBA Rumor Central: Artest Scuttlebutt
Dec 13 - The Indianapolis Star reports, the Pacers put Ron Artest on the inactive list for at least the next three games and took an extra step: He can't practice or travel with the team. Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said Monday he'll try to grant Artest's request, but emphasized he'll remain selective.
One of the more plausible scenarios could be a deal for former Pacer, Al Harrington.
According to Geoff Petrie, the Kings and Pacers have not discussed any deal involving Artest and Kings forward Peja Stojakovic. "We don't have any trade discussions going on with anybody at the present time," Petrie told the Sacramento Bee. Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, also said he had "no knowledge" of dealings between the Kings and Pacers.
According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Larry Brown told reporters before last night's game that he would like to see Artest make amends with the Pacers. "I think he's a wonderful player," Brown said. "I hope they can work it out where he stays there. That's a terrific team. I hate to see that broken up."
The Willoughby News-Herald reports, LeBron James endorsed trying to bring Artest to Cleveland. "Any team in the league could use a player like Ron Artest," James said. "Any time you get a great player to mention a team you are a part of, it's flattering."
The Dallas Morning News reports, if you think Ron Artest would be good in Dallas, you might want to reassess your thoughts. Owner Mark Cuban and Avery Johnson both said the Mavericks are not headed in that direction. "We like our team," said Cuban.
Would the Hornets have any interest in Artest? "With as much activity that's going on now, I'm not going to comment on anything," Hornets general manager Jeff Bower told the New Orleans Times-Picayune.
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Also, Artest has just broadened his options by saying that he would go anywhere. Plus, Indiana might want to unload one of their contracts like Austin Croshere.
I heard that Walsh said they will keep Artest on the inactive list until he's traded
According to Artest's words, he wants to end up at New York and Cleveland!
He said that at the end of his contract he will leave anyway to one of these destinations! It doesn't make any sense for other teams to trade for him, he's such a nutcase!
ummm, he's under contract for a few more years, not like its a few months.
how many years exactly?
San Antonio Express-News
By Mike Monroe
Dec 14, 2005
Link: Express-News
Artest's trade logic runs short of common sense
It was just one week ago, in this very space, when we discussed how difficult it is to trade a player who states publicly that he wants to be moved.
Pacers' forward Ron Artest, it appears, doesn't subscribe to the Express-News.
Artest went public with his trade demand a few days ago, and the Pacers have put him on their inactive list, with pay. Making matters worse for the Pacers, Artest said he preferred to go East, and vowed that if the Pacers move him to a Western Conference team, he definitely would opt out of his contract when he is eligible to do so, after the 2006-07 season.
If you want to get traded, why make it doubly hard?
Of course, where Artest is concerned, logic just does not compute.
Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh says the team will try to accommodate Artest and send him packing but won't operate in panic mode. Walsh is one of the smartest men ever to make basketball decisions in the NBA, so count on the Pacers to turn the chicken droppings Artest has presented them into some pretty tasty chicken salad, though it won't be easy.
"When players come out and ask publicly for a trade, it makes it tougher, just in general," Denver Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe said. Vandeweghe knows a thing or two about how difficult it is. One of his own players, Voshon Lenard, did the same thing not so long ago, which is what prompted last week's column in the first place.
Some NBA executives argue that Artest is one of the league's 10 best players, something some of us always felt gives too much credit to his combination of skills and intensity, while ignoring what always seemed to be his glaring need for self-promotion and general wackiness. That intensity, in fact, made him defensive player of the year for the 2003-04 season, in no small measure because coach Rick Carlisle waged a telephone campaign on his behalf, personally calling most of the media members who vote for the postseason awards. His skills, at both ends of the court, are unquestioned.
Most NBA executives, though, also understand that taking on a player with the kind of off-the-court baggage Artest brings with him risks alienating both a stable locker room and a fan base that prefers its players to be less, um, flighty.
It is evident that one key Pacer, All-Star power forward Jermaine O'Neal, is shedding no tears about the fact Artest has been de-activated. O'Neal is one of the league's true "stand-up" guys. When you wear him out, you succeed only in diminishing yourself.
Artest has become the NBA's version of Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens: A me-first guy whose amazing individual skills just don't translate well to a team game. How to now get proper value in return for him, especially after his public demand, is a knotty problem for Walsh and Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird.
There is no shortage of suggestions as to how the Pacers can deal him. The most popular rumor flying around the Internet on Tuesday had Sacramento's Peja Stojakovic going to Indiana, straight up, for Artest. Maybe that is because Bird once called Stojakovic the NBA's best shooter, and because the Kings are off to a horrid start this season.
Know this, though: As of Tuesday afternoon, there had been nary a single conversation between the Kings and the Pacers, about Artest or anyone else, and that is not speculation.
Expect things on the Artest front burner to heat up Thursday, when players traded over the summer are eligible to be traded again. And have no doubt some team will take the aforementioned risks.
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Someone said Artest has two years left on his contract.
Indiana Has Always Been A Fan Of Oberto ($2.50 On The High End Lets Say) And Barry ($4.5). I Think They Might Bite At It. Donnie Has Always Liked Players With Potential In The Dale Davis For O'neal Trade That Was Made Know. Oberto Has Potential And Barry Would Be A Nice Compliment Player And Could Fill It Up From Outside When Hes On. But Is Indiana Willing To Accept Two Players In Their 30's, And Can Pop Get Artest Under Control, If He Can, I Think That The Spurs Would Be One Tough Team.
I think the Spurs are already one tough team.
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Rumors and speculation had made its way to the Warriors locker room prior to Tuesday's game. One player said he was told of a scenario of the Warriors sending small forward Mike Dunleavy and center Adonal Foyle to the Pacers for Artest and center Jeff Foster, whom the Warriors drafted in the first round (No. 21) of the 1999 draft and immediately traded his rights to Indiana for the rights to guard Vonteego Cummings and a future pick.
The numbers match, as the Pacers' pair will earn $11.8 million this season and the Warriors' pair will make $11.9 million. Because both teams are over the salary cap, the contracts only have to come to within 25 percent of each other instead of the usual 15 percent. Also, Dunleavy and whichever one of the Warriors' younger talents -- i.e., forward/center Andris Biedrins, forward Zarko Cabarkapa, swingman Mickael Pietrus -- Indiana wants would fit. Guard Derek Fisher could be traded straight up for Artest, although it would certainly take a draft pick or a young talent to make it worth the Pacers' while.
Artest wants to go where he can be more of a scorer? So in SA he is going to take shots away from Duncan, Manu and Parker?
Why would Pop and Co. want to screw up the chemistry we have here? Spurs player generally = unselfish. Artest? No thanks.
I wanted him back when Indy was willing to take Steve Smith for him and Ron Mercer but not now.
artest also said he wouldn't mind backing up lebron the day after he said he needed to be showcased offensively. he is not going to be traded to a team he wants to be traded to, and you can't believe anything he says. reggie miller said on the dan patrick show monday that donnie will work hard to get him traded... to a crappy team, like he deserves. miller said he loves artest, but the way he has handled this ruined his chances of getting what he wants.
Ron Artest is mentally ill. He needs medication and intensive therapy. Unless he gets both, he will totally fuck and shred any team stupid enough to be drawn to his talent flame. He can't help it. It's what he does.
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This is the story of the scorpion who needs to get across the creek and the frog whom he asks for a ride.
"I can't trust you," the frog says.
Sure you can," the scorpion says, hopping on the frog's back.
Midway across, the scorpion stings the frog.
"Why would you do that?" the frog asks, sinking toward the bottom. "Now we're both gonna die."
Scorpion: "I can't help it. I'm a scorpion. It's my nature."
If Artest wasn't a head-case he'd be a top-10 player in this league and no one would ever dream of letting him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by easjer
I think the warriors would be really dangerous if they could land artest like that. Running a lineup of Davis, Richardson, Artest, Murphy, and Foster out there would be formidable, with good scoring, a lockdown defender, athleticism, and decent interior play. And the Wariors have been bad for so long, if a move like this could make them a contender it might be worth the risk.
ESPN Radio just said one of the teams interested is the Spurs, and supposedly "The Pacers want Oberto and Barry"
If thats all they want?
Damn. Do the trade.
Barry=Hot Dog
Oberto=Coke
Do it Pop.
No fucking way. I wouldn't trade Steve Smith and Vinny DelNegro for Artest's psycho ass. Sometimes it works out (ie, Sheed), but no way I'm doing anything to mess with a team on pace for 66 wins coming off a title with all it's top players back for the chance to be a little better. Not after seeing how Rodman threw away our shot at the 95 title.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Without the trade for Mohammed, Indiana would have probably been the best team in the league last year. The way Artest ruined that was disgusting.
Man, I hope your kidding. If we do that trade I'll be really upset. First of all, it will completely screw up team chemistry, and I don't really need or want truwarrior on my team. Where will his shots come from? Parker's layups? Manu? Duncan? Their are many reasons Bowen is preferrable on this team to Artest, including the fact that he plays within the system, doesn't demand shots, can really hit the three, and never, EVER complains. He doesn't deserve to be benched for that freakshow, and Artest would demand to start on our team. Class and character DO matter in this league.
The Warriors with Artest would be kind of scary. That would be a hell of an upgrade for them. If he goes to Oakland like the press over there seems to want, that would be a tough team to face in the first round. Of course, that's what everyone said about Denver last year.
If we could get Nazr and Beno for Artest, it would be awfully tempting to pull the trigger on that deal. Same with Oberto and Barry. If I were playing NBA Live I would do that anyway. In the real world, we'd be at the very least dumping two guys that have done jack for us this year, and mostly keeping Ron Artest *out* of other people's hands. There's always the slim chance he might work here, with some discipline and guidance.
Most likely though, I think Cleveland and Houston are two teams that are most desparate to gamble. LeBron would be a good influence and leader for Ron of the sort that Jermaine O'Neal was not; obviously Danny Ferry would never put up with that, but that's just my idea. Also I look at Houston as a team that might feel the pressure to upgrade a few of their spare parts. Bob Sura, Jon Barry, and Juwan Howard would be made completely obsolete by Ron Artest and Luther Head rotating in next to McGrady.
Sounds like Golden State or Sacramento to me right now
How much better can the Spurs roster be? When I look at it I cannot see one legit weakness. There is absolutely no reason to make any kind of trade with this team we have unless someone goes down for the season. They have 3 starting-quality centers in Duncan, Nesterovic, and Mohammed, two fearless point-guards in Parker and Van Exel, 2 outstanding shooters in Barry and Finley, an Artest-like jack-of-all-trades pressure performer in Ginobili, lockdown man-defenders in Bowen and Duncan, and one of the top-10 clutch players in NBA history in Horry. There is no reason to do anything to this team.
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Can a third team be involved maybe??? -- Which would end up us getting Malik from NY and NY getting Artest???
:drunk
Anyone??? is it possilbe :elephant
artest on the spurs will be dangerous, imagine bowen and artest on the court at the same time, we will have teh best backcourt in the league
Malik is not coming back.Quote:
Which would end up us getting Malik from NY and NY getting Artest???
Move.
ON!
The most dangerous enemies are those within your own walls. There is no scenarios that I can see where we don't win this year...except Artest gone bad.
I think Pop could controll him though.
Look at all the situations hes been in.
Has there been a dominant leader/authority figure like a Pop?
Someone to lay the smack down?
Carlisle is a pansy, and Pacer management supported his actions in the past only making Artest go nuttier.
I think Pop could control him.
Think of
Duncan
Artest
Bowen
Ginobili
Parker
Name me a team that would score on that lineup.
And you're willing to bet the next several years on it? Piss off Bruce Bowen, the man that has given everything to this club, and done everything they've asked...the anti-Artest? Somebody has to sit.Quote:
I think Pop could controll him though.
I just think at some point, you have enough players to meet your needs, and anything else will only cause Portland like troubles, especially when you are going after players who lack character.
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Piss off Bruce Bowen
You dont start Artest.
You bring him off the bench.
Brent Barry is bringing jack shit.
Oberto is wasting oxygen in the arena.
This trade makes way too much sense, if there is a modicom of truth behind it.
Have you been reading ANYTHING about why Artest wants to be traded? He's not even happy STARTING for a Conference contender any more, not even as the #2 option. He wants to be the MAN.Quote:
How would it piss him off??
You dont start Artest.
You bring him off the bench.
Call me crazy as Artest, but I think he goes Nuclear with Barry minutes.