ummm, he's under contract for a few more years, not like its a few months.
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ummm, he's under contract for a few more years, not like its a few months.
how many years exactly?
San Antonio Express-News
By Mike Monroe
Dec 14, 2005
Link: Express-News
Artest's trade logic runs short of common sense
It was just one week ago, in this very space, when we discussed how difficult it is to trade a player who states publicly that he wants to be moved.
Pacers' forward Ron Artest, it appears, doesn't subscribe to the Express-News.
Artest went public with his trade demand a few days ago, and the Pacers have put him on their inactive list, with pay. Making matters worse for the Pacers, Artest said he preferred to go East, and vowed that if the Pacers move him to a Western Conference team, he definitely would opt out of his contract when he is eligible to do so, after the 2006-07 season.
If you want to get traded, why make it doubly hard?
Of course, where Artest is concerned, logic just does not compute.
Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh says the team will try to accommodate Artest and send him packing but won't operate in panic mode. Walsh is one of the smartest men ever to make basketball decisions in the NBA, so count on the Pacers to turn the chicken droppings Artest has presented them into some pretty tasty chicken salad, though it won't be easy.
"When players come out and ask publicly for a trade, it makes it tougher, just in general," Denver Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe said. Vandeweghe knows a thing or two about how difficult it is. One of his own players, Voshon Lenard, did the same thing not so long ago, which is what prompted last week's column in the first place.
Some NBA executives argue that Artest is one of the league's 10 best players, something some of us always felt gives too much credit to his combination of skills and intensity, while ignoring what always seemed to be his glaring need for self-promotion and general wackiness. That intensity, in fact, made him defensive player of the year for the 2003-04 season, in no small measure because coach Rick Carlisle waged a telephone campaign on his behalf, personally calling most of the media members who vote for the postseason awards. His skills, at both ends of the court, are unquestioned.
Most NBA executives, though, also understand that taking on a player with the kind of off-the-court baggage Artest brings with him risks alienating both a stable locker room and a fan base that prefers its players to be less, um, flighty.
It is evident that one key Pacer, All-Star power forward Jermaine O'Neal, is shedding no tears about the fact Artest has been de-activated. O'Neal is one of the league's true "stand-up" guys. When you wear him out, you succeed only in diminishing yourself.
Artest has become the NBA's version of Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens: A me-first guy whose amazing individual skills just don't translate well to a team game. How to now get proper value in return for him, especially after his public demand, is a knotty problem for Walsh and Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird.
There is no shortage of suggestions as to how the Pacers can deal him. The most popular rumor flying around the Internet on Tuesday had Sacramento's Peja Stojakovic going to Indiana, straight up, for Artest. Maybe that is because Bird once called Stojakovic the NBA's best shooter, and because the Kings are off to a horrid start this season.
Know this, though: As of Tuesday afternoon, there had been nary a single conversation between the Kings and the Pacers, about Artest or anyone else, and that is not speculation.
Expect things on the Artest front burner to heat up Thursday, when players traded over the summer are eligible to be traded again. And have no doubt some team will take the aforementioned risks.
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Someone said Artest has two years left on his contract.
Indiana Has Always Been A Fan Of Oberto ($2.50 On The High End Lets Say) And Barry ($4.5). I Think They Might Bite At It. Donnie Has Always Liked Players With Potential In The Dale Davis For O'neal Trade That Was Made Know. Oberto Has Potential And Barry Would Be A Nice Compliment Player And Could Fill It Up From Outside When Hes On. But Is Indiana Willing To Accept Two Players In Their 30's, And Can Pop Get Artest Under Control, If He Can, I Think That The Spurs Would Be One Tough Team.
I think the Spurs are already one tough team.
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Rumors and speculation had made its way to the Warriors locker room prior to Tuesday's game. One player said he was told of a scenario of the Warriors sending small forward Mike Dunleavy and center Adonal Foyle to the Pacers for Artest and center Jeff Foster, whom the Warriors drafted in the first round (No. 21) of the 1999 draft and immediately traded his rights to Indiana for the rights to guard Vonteego Cummings and a future pick.
The numbers match, as the Pacers' pair will earn $11.8 million this season and the Warriors' pair will make $11.9 million. Because both teams are over the salary cap, the contracts only have to come to within 25 percent of each other instead of the usual 15 percent. Also, Dunleavy and whichever one of the Warriors' younger talents -- i.e., forward/center Andris Biedrins, forward Zarko Cabarkapa, swingman Mickael Pietrus -- Indiana wants would fit. Guard Derek Fisher could be traded straight up for Artest, although it would certainly take a draft pick or a young talent to make it worth the Pacers' while.
Artest wants to go where he can be more of a scorer? So in SA he is going to take shots away from Duncan, Manu and Parker?
Why would Pop and Co. want to screw up the chemistry we have here? Spurs player generally = unselfish. Artest? No thanks.
I wanted him back when Indy was willing to take Steve Smith for him and Ron Mercer but not now.
artest also said he wouldn't mind backing up lebron the day after he said he needed to be showcased offensively. he is not going to be traded to a team he wants to be traded to, and you can't believe anything he says. reggie miller said on the dan patrick show monday that donnie will work hard to get him traded... to a crappy team, like he deserves. miller said he loves artest, but the way he has handled this ruined his chances of getting what he wants.
Ron Artest is mentally ill. He needs medication and intensive therapy. Unless he gets both, he will totally fuck and shred any team stupid enough to be drawn to his talent flame. He can't help it. It's what he does.
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This is the story of the scorpion who needs to get across the creek and the frog whom he asks for a ride.
"I can't trust you," the frog says.
Sure you can," the scorpion says, hopping on the frog's back.
Midway across, the scorpion stings the frog.
"Why would you do that?" the frog asks, sinking toward the bottom. "Now we're both gonna die."
Scorpion: "I can't help it. I'm a scorpion. It's my nature."
If Artest wasn't a head-case he'd be a top-10 player in this league and no one would ever dream of letting him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by easjer
I think the warriors would be really dangerous if they could land artest like that. Running a lineup of Davis, Richardson, Artest, Murphy, and Foster out there would be formidable, with good scoring, a lockdown defender, athleticism, and decent interior play. And the Wariors have been bad for so long, if a move like this could make them a contender it might be worth the risk.
ESPN Radio just said one of the teams interested is the Spurs, and supposedly "The Pacers want Oberto and Barry"
If thats all they want?
Damn. Do the trade.
Barry=Hot Dog
Oberto=Coke
Do it Pop.
No fucking way. I wouldn't trade Steve Smith and Vinny DelNegro for Artest's psycho ass. Sometimes it works out (ie, Sheed), but no way I'm doing anything to mess with a team on pace for 66 wins coming off a title with all it's top players back for the chance to be a little better. Not after seeing how Rodman threw away our shot at the 95 title.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Without the trade for Mohammed, Indiana would have probably been the best team in the league last year. The way Artest ruined that was disgusting.
Man, I hope your kidding. If we do that trade I'll be really upset. First of all, it will completely screw up team chemistry, and I don't really need or want truwarrior on my team. Where will his shots come from? Parker's layups? Manu? Duncan? Their are many reasons Bowen is preferrable on this team to Artest, including the fact that he plays within the system, doesn't demand shots, can really hit the three, and never, EVER complains. He doesn't deserve to be benched for that freakshow, and Artest would demand to start on our team. Class and character DO matter in this league.
The Warriors with Artest would be kind of scary. That would be a hell of an upgrade for them. If he goes to Oakland like the press over there seems to want, that would be a tough team to face in the first round. Of course, that's what everyone said about Denver last year.
If we could get Nazr and Beno for Artest, it would be awfully tempting to pull the trigger on that deal. Same with Oberto and Barry. If I were playing NBA Live I would do that anyway. In the real world, we'd be at the very least dumping two guys that have done jack for us this year, and mostly keeping Ron Artest *out* of other people's hands. There's always the slim chance he might work here, with some discipline and guidance.
Most likely though, I think Cleveland and Houston are two teams that are most desparate to gamble. LeBron would be a good influence and leader for Ron of the sort that Jermaine O'Neal was not; obviously Danny Ferry would never put up with that, but that's just my idea. Also I look at Houston as a team that might feel the pressure to upgrade a few of their spare parts. Bob Sura, Jon Barry, and Juwan Howard would be made completely obsolete by Ron Artest and Luther Head rotating in next to McGrady.
Sounds like Golden State or Sacramento to me right now
How much better can the Spurs roster be? When I look at it I cannot see one legit weakness. There is absolutely no reason to make any kind of trade with this team we have unless someone goes down for the season. They have 3 starting-quality centers in Duncan, Nesterovic, and Mohammed, two fearless point-guards in Parker and Van Exel, 2 outstanding shooters in Barry and Finley, an Artest-like jack-of-all-trades pressure performer in Ginobili, lockdown man-defenders in Bowen and Duncan, and one of the top-10 clutch players in NBA history in Horry. There is no reason to do anything to this team.
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Originally Posted by T Park
Can a third team be involved maybe??? -- Which would end up us getting Malik from NY and NY getting Artest???
:drunk
Anyone??? is it possilbe :elephant
artest on the spurs will be dangerous, imagine bowen and artest on the court at the same time, we will have teh best backcourt in the league
Malik is not coming back.Quote:
Which would end up us getting Malik from NY and NY getting Artest???
Move.
ON!
The most dangerous enemies are those within your own walls. There is no scenarios that I can see where we don't win this year...except Artest gone bad.
I think Pop could controll him though.
Look at all the situations hes been in.
Has there been a dominant leader/authority figure like a Pop?
Someone to lay the smack down?
Carlisle is a pansy, and Pacer management supported his actions in the past only making Artest go nuttier.
I think Pop could control him.
Think of
Duncan
Artest
Bowen
Ginobili
Parker
Name me a team that would score on that lineup.
And you're willing to bet the next several years on it? Piss off Bruce Bowen, the man that has given everything to this club, and done everything they've asked...the anti-Artest? Somebody has to sit.Quote:
I think Pop could controll him though.
I just think at some point, you have enough players to meet your needs, and anything else will only cause Portland like troubles, especially when you are going after players who lack character.
How would it piss him off??Quote:
Piss off Bruce Bowen
You dont start Artest.
You bring him off the bench.
Brent Barry is bringing jack shit.
Oberto is wasting oxygen in the arena.
This trade makes way too much sense, if there is a modicom of truth behind it.
Have you been reading ANYTHING about why Artest wants to be traded? He's not even happy STARTING for a Conference contender any more, not even as the #2 option. He wants to be the MAN.Quote:
How would it piss him off??
You dont start Artest.
You bring him off the bench.
Call me crazy as Artest, but I think he goes Nuclear with Barry minutes.