I hate to admit it but...

debreiden- I just have to say one thing:

I'm a fan of what Tim does on the court. I can't talk about how great a person he is because I don't know him. So, if Duncan plays great I'm going to say "What a great game Tim played" and if he sucks like he did tonight, on a night where he didn't even try to get some extra rebounds because his scoring was off and his team needed a boost, I'm going to say "Tim sucked today." I'm not going to be all happy happy joy joy like he didn't suck just to impress some silly people who like Tim a little too much. When I say I am a fan of a player it means that I enjoy watching them play and I want to see them succeed and it makes me disappointed when they play horribly. It doesn't mean I have an undying love for them or everlasting faith in them. This doesn't just go for players on my team either. I'm also a tayshaun_prince_fan and a chris_paul_fan. Do you see how that works?

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

debreiden- I just have to say one thing:

I'm a fan of what Tim does on the court. I can't talk about how great a person he is because I don't know him. So, if Duncan plays great I'm going to say "What a great game Tim played" and if he sucks like he did tonight, on a night where he didn't even try to get some extra rebounds because his scoring was off and his team needed a boost, I'm going to say "Tim sucked today." I'm not going to be all happy happy joy joy like he didn't suck just to impress some silly people who like Tim a little too much. When I say I am a fan of a player it means that I enjoy watching them play and I want to see them succeed and it makes me disappointed when they play horribly. It doesn't mean I have an undying love for them or everlasting faith in them. This doesn't just go for players on my team either. I'm also a tayshaun_prince_fan and a chris_paul_fan. Do you see how that works?

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My opinion is when a guy has done all TD has done for the Spurs and you claim to be a fan of him, you owe him a lot more respect that you showed him. Calling him soft and saying we would not have won the finals without Manu and Horry, yeah i agree to an extent with that but do not downplay what Timmy has done. That shit is uncalled for man, Spurs are a fucking lotto team without this man.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Garnett the ONLY rebounder on the Wolves team. And plantar fascitis is barely a cream puff injury. Try weighing 260lbs and running up and down a court for 30-35 mins every other night on a bad arch and see how much you can bare. Garnett outplayed Duncan tonight plain and simple but I would rather my team have more W's in the end than my star player. Team sports are funny like that, Lebron went 6 games straight scoring over 30 pts and they only won one of those games.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Wow! What the hell is strong? I mean he's at least as good as TD. I used to deny it too, but after tonight how can people, even homers, still deny that KG is at least on par with TD.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

ajh-amare never outrebounded Tim by 12, and during the phoenix series Duncan was actually hurt a little, unlike tonight.

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Again, basing your arguments on ONE GAME in December. It's sad, really. You remind me of Bill Walton-it's all about what happened the game just before. It actually doesn't surprise me that you are so big on KG, because it's pretty clear that you look at stats and individual performances over the team game. Give it up already.

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Originally Posted by Josh810

You remind me of Bill Walton-it's all about what happened the game just before.

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HAHA I especially like Walton's take on last nights Phoenix game with Diaw.
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Trolls are just amazing, and can come up with every and any kind of minor details to pick on in a game.
Let me see what is the problem here.
Duncan didn't play well, and Garnett played way above his head, and Manu was out of the game, and Parker didn't play particularly well, and Wally played VERY well, and the Spurs won .... what is the problem again?
Oh yeah, Duncan didn't show up in a regular season game in December. Only fans of teams that haven't won 3 championships in 7 years would worry about things like this.

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Originally Posted by The X Factor

So according to this logic, Robert Horry is better than Duncan because Horry has 6 championship rings?

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Horry has 6 Finals MVP and 4 regular season MVPs? Or did his post got those lines cut off in your browser?

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Everything the KG fans say is right. KG IS better than TD. TD just wins more because of TP and Manu and the rest of the help.

It's a sad truth.

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bvllsh!t

they take turns owning one another.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

If Garnett is weak then.....

Wow! What the hell is strong? I mean he's at least as good as TD. I used to deny it too, but after tonight how can people, even homers, still deny that KG is at least on par with TD.

By the way folks, this game is going to help ruin TD's chance to be an All-Star this year(not that he'd mind at all) cause he's already behind in the voting. Stupid T-mac lovers are keeping him from starting.

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Look dude, you're basing this 3-page thread on one freaking game. Well, two can play at that game ...

Here it is ... read it and weep
Duncan punks Garnett - 2004-05

Stat line:
Player
T Duncan 25 Pts, 10-21 FGs, 5-8 FTs, 14 Rebs, 6 Assists
K Garnett 12 Pts, 5-15 FGs, 2-4 FTs, 11 Rebs, 0 Assists

Ownage, huh? What does that tell you? That one any given day, each can beat the other. That does not indicate how much they contribute to their team's style of play, dominance, championship potential et al.

Josh 810-When comparing players on an individual basis you go off of their personal stats. Individual stats are what you go by when you are comparing individuals.
You cant fairly use the number of team awards won when comparing individual players. To make my point clear:

Bigshot Rob has I think 6 rings while Duncan has 3 going on 4. Is Bigshot Rob better than Duncan?

An even better example: Elton Brand is outdoing Duncan in almost every category, but he does not have the better record. Can anybody honestly say Duncan is outplaying Brand just because his team has a better record? Think about that.

Also, I think people are under the impression that I'm a KG fan when I'm really not. I was just feeling sorry for him because he played extra hard and TD didn't do shit but his team still won. You have to admit that Tim won, at least tonight, simply because his team is better than KG's.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Everything the KG fans say is right. KG IS better than TD. TD just wins more because of TP and Manu and the rest of the help.

It's a sad truth.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. TD, ala Michael Jordan, has won each of his rings with different supporting casts each time. It takes a consistent player of superstar status, which is TD, to be able to win like that. If you hypothetically put KG in TD's place, KG, IMO, would not have won any titles. As good as he is, and he's really good, KG doesn't have that winner's mentality, that killer mentality. I think there's also a lot to be said about TD's personality. He's such a competitor and yet he takes a licking from Pop as rookies do. Yet Duncan gets along with his teammates and veteran superstars and stars want to play and win with TD. Finley comes to mind, instead of going to MN. Barry. VanEx. Horry. Anyway, that's my $.02.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Also, I think people are under the impression that I'm a KG fan when I'm really not. I was just feeling sorry for him because he played extra hard and TD didn't do shit but his team still won. You have to admit that Tim won, at least tonight, simply because his team is better than KG's.

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Wow man you went out and made a thread because you felt sorry for somebody. I guess I'm more of a team guy where I look at the win/loss column before I go to the box score. KG had a hell of a game and TD was off. Spurs Win and thats all that really matters to me personally. I guess if the Spurs would have lost you would have had a lot more support from others on this thread then you do now.

Killer mentality? Don't talk things like that when you're tslking about TD. I would take Duncan over KG too, but killer instinct? You must not have seen "the sad face" Tim had while he gave up and sat on the bench in the Finals last year. That was one of the lowest points of his career.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Josh 810-When comparing players on an individual basis you go off of their personal stats. Individual stats are what you go by when you are comparing individuals.
You cant fairly use the number of team awards won when comparing individual players. To make my point clear:

Bigshot Rob has I think 6 rings while Duncan has 3 going on 4. Is Bigshot Rob better than Duncan?

An even better example: Elton Brand is outdoing Duncan in almost every category, but he does not have the better record. Can anybody honestly say Duncan is outplaying Brand just because his team has a better record? Think about that.

Also, I think people are under the impression that I'm a KG fan when I'm really not. I was just feeling sorry for him because he played extra hard and TD didn't do shit but his team still won. You have to admit that Tim won, at least tonight, simply because his team is better than KG's.

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Once again, 1 single game.

As ajh mentioned, if that's what its about, Garnett should have been traded by the Wolves for the mighty Chris Webber already:
Webber embarrasses the great KG
K Garnett 19 PTS, 9-22 FG, 0-0 FT, 7 RB, 4 AST
C. Webber 27 PTS, 13-25 FG, 1-1 FT, 21 RB, 3 AST

Or for a package of Reef and Kenny Thomas maybe?
2004 MVP Shut owned by the Queens
K Garnett 11 PTS, 3-14 FG, 5-8 FT, 10 RB, 4 AST

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Killer mentality? Don't talk things like that when you're tslking about TD. I would take Duncan over KG too, but killer instinct? You must not have seen "the sad face" Tim had while he gave up and sat on the bench in the Finals last year. That was one of the lowest points of his career.

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Have you visited the Minnesota forums lately? Try seeing what the ESPN Wolves board is discussing nowadays. They are basically calling KG out for being a pussy and disappearing at the end of close games. Even his die-hard supporters are agreeing that he is useless in the last 2 minutes of a game.

Say what you want about Duncan, he doesn't shy away from pressure, even if that means setting himself up for failure. I mean who would want the ball in the last play of regulation when he's 1-11 from the line? KG looks to get rid of the rock in the clutch even if he's having a good night. This season itself, KG and the Wolves have had numerous let-downs in the late 4th qtr. In fact, they have lost the last 3 games by a combined 5 points. And KG has vanished in the 4th in each of them.

If you think KG is clutch, you should go down to the MN boards and cheer up the poor bastards who're calling for his head.

KG missed that last one and the Spurs won.

TD>KG

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Josh 810-When comparing players on an individual basis you go off of their personal stats. Individual stats are what you go by when you are comparing individuals.
You cant fairly use the number of team awards won when comparing individual players. To make my point clear:

Bigshot Rob has I think 6 rings while Duncan has 3 going on 4. Is Bigshot Rob better than Duncan?

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Did I mention anything about team awards?? It's how you play with your team; it's if you make them better. Even when comparing individuals it's not all about stats! That's the whole point. This isn't an NBA Street 1 v. 1 league. Sure, KG would be better at that. The NBA is a team game, and given that, Tim Duncan is a better NBA player. Are you telling me that right now you'd rather have had KG on our team this whole team instead of Tim?

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

You have to admit that Tim won, at least tonight, simply because his team is better than KG's.

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Wow, what brilliant analysis.

Josh810-I meant TD's supporting cast is better. Meaning if TD and KG had switched supporting casts tonight, KG's team would have won in a blowout. Tell me I didn't really have to spell that out for you.

i think duncan and garnett are equally rated. i cant choose between him or garnett. well, ill probably lean towards duncan because he has 3 championship rings plus 3-time finals MVP to show forth, KG has none.

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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan

Josh810-I meant TD's supporting cast is better. Meaning if TD and KG had switched supporting casts tonight, KG's team would have won in a blowout. Tell me I didn't really have to spell that out for you.

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Wow, only responding to the least important part of my post, I see. Well alright.

I'm just trying to see what your objective in this thread is. Is it to say KG is a better overall NBA player than Duncan? That he would have more rings with the Spurs if we had him instead? Or is he just a better 1 vs. 1 player? Just trying to understand here.

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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded

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don't make excuses dawg, tim got outplayed tonight pure and simple.

Notice that most times Tim caught it in the post, KG forced him about 3 feet away from his spot? This happened sooo many times tonight, which is a large reason why Duncan blew nuts, and also why he started shooting nasty looking jumpers.


KG physically overpowered Tim tonight, luckily Tim got a sweet little revenge on his sweet And-1 that knocked KG to the floor. But overall, KG was keeping Duncan out of his sweet spot.

Not many people do that very well.

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Playing hurt = automatic excuse?

Wow rest of your comments = dismissed.

Dude, last year TD's regular season stats are the same as now, but notice in the playoffs his averages elevated just like Manu, because that's when it counts, that is where it is crucial or not. TD has already proven himself in the regular season, so there is no reason to make a big fuss if he doesn't get 20/20 everynight.

When did Plantar Fascitis become a "minor injury"

That shit is a big time hinderance.

Duncan plays through a hell of alot of pain, but you could tell tonight the foot was bothering him.

It'll bother him Sunday night as well.

Hopefully Fin, Barry, and others step up BIG time.