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Even swap, right now. Would you do it?
Why?
Why not?
I know most of you will try to play the "look at the rings" card. But keep in mind that if Garnett had the same role players and coaching staff that Duncan has been fortunate enough to play with, he'd probably have at least the same number of Championships by now.
Rasho will go along with Timmy as well as Manu and Tony...
KG is a good leader...as Rick Rickerts....
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Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
stupid eagles fan
in just one game...you would sell the world?....
Yes, he clearly plays better in December than Duncan does. Trade him.
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Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
NO.... Garnett may or may not be better, but San Antonio would be a classless organization to trade Tim Duncan. Tim can play till he's 60 and I wouldn't mind him being on the spurs
So Garnett only plays good in December?Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh810
I discovered something very shocking that nobody in these boards seem to know. In 2003, the Spurs actually won a championship with a team that featured only one All-Star in Tim Duncan!
This came as an absolute shock to me, as I have been told over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on this forum that Duncan won the championships he had was because he had great teammates. Coming from Mars and with Spurstalk as my only news on the Spurs and the NBA, I thought that this Tim Duncan fellow is some 2nd rated bench warmer, unlike fellow superstar Kevin Garnett.
Another earth-shaking (or Mars-shaking) discovery I made was the this NBA superstar Kevin Garnett actually had all-star teammates in Stephon Marbury, Wally Szcerbiak, Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell, but has only took his team past the 1st round of the playoffs ONCE, in which they lost in the WCF.
you trade td, then expect me to follow where td gets trade, and expect more black sheeps too :D:D we only follow where the leader of the pack is goin, he will lead us to where the grass is green
all this quote needs is a bow around it. what else is there to say. this thread should be locked right now. this SHOULD shut everybody up for even thinking that this would be a step up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
* claps* that even made me cry well doneQuote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
Good points. But I also mentioned coaching as well as role players. Duncan has been pretty lucky in that regard compared to KG. KG hasn't exactly had the best coaches to depend on for help. Flip Sauders, Kevin McHale, and Dwane Somethingorother. Not exactly world-beaters when it comes to good coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
He plays well all the time. I'm just pointing out the fact that I feel this thread was created after a meaningless game in December, simply because KG outplayed him. I'm glad you started the topic with a question though, and didn't just flat out say KG was better based on one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
No way. Not even close. Timmy is just so much better. KG can fill a stat sheet, but he doesn't have the winning track record of our boy.
Dude, last year TD's regular season stats are the same as now, but notice in the playoffs his averages elevated just like Manu, because that's when it counts, that is where it is crucial or not. TD has already proven himself in the regular season, so there is no reason to make a big fuss if he doesn't get 20/20 everynight.
Trade IceColdBrewski for a bottle of O'Doul's. Would you do it and why?
I'd do it in a heart beat!
And I don't even know what an O'Doul's is... :lol
Hell no. KG is not the PLAYER that Tim is. Maybe statwise they are equal or even a slight edge to KG, but as an all around player Tim has KG beat by miles. KG can't play with anyone, he's had numerous all-stars on his squad but can't do jack with them. Would you want to go play with a guy who spits in your face and punches the mess out of you if you try to score on him in practice? No way. The past few years we've been in the running for really decent free agents and the reason I always remember is "I want to win a ring with Duncan". Maybe it's not said directly but indirectly it's always there.
Brewski for half eaten Frito pie!
Trade Accepted!
If Garnett is great Brewski.
How come Finle chose the DUNCAN and the SPurs, over Garnett.
Oh yes, cause he has Dwayne Somethingorother.
Cant Rip up Tony Parker much anymore, so he switches his hate to Tim Duncan now...
Classic.
kg plays well early then fades in the later part of the season
last game duncan put up over 20 points and over 20 rebounds
it is not like duncan can not do that either
also duncan is hurt
AMBCHANG is King :king of this thread.
He owns it all..... including Mars.
Good answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginofan
Is Brewski a Wolves fan? :elephant
Why would you trade a sure thing for a possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
With Duncan, you know you'll make the playoffs, and have as good a shot as any to win a Championship.
With KG, you might not even make the playoffs....
Yuo need to put down the ice cold brewskis....they are really cliuding your mind and judgement. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
Thanks guys, I am just sick and tired of people not appreciating the talent the Spurs have right now, and nitpick at every possible thing. I like this team, it's a very dominant team and is one of the team with the best chance of winning a ring in quite a few years. In fact, I can only recall a handful of teams that are as favoured to win it all as the 2006 Spurs in the years I have been watching ball (2002 Lakers, 97 Bulls, 93 Bulls, 85 Celtics, those ancient Celtics, 88 Lakers), it doesn't have a 100% chance at winning a championship, but no team does.
I like Pop (I used to want him fired, I must confess), I like Duncan, I like Parker, I like Ginobili, I like Bowen (actually, he is fast becoming my favourite Spur), I like Mohamed, I like Rasho, I like Finley, I like NVE, I like Udrich, I like PJ Carlesimo, I like Barry, I like Oberto, and I like Marks. I won't cry for days if ANY of them got traded, because I think the Spurs organization has heard a certain level of trust from the fans for what they have accomplish over the last decade. I mean, how many teams can say that they won a championship while they were rebuilding?
Sorry, I am rambling, I just can't understand why there are so many complaints after one game in December where Duncan got outplayed by one of the best players in the NBA, AND the Spurs still won, after what the team and it's fans have went through in the 80s and early 90s heartbreakers.
BTW, I am not really from Mars.
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Originally Posted by T Park
All I did was ask a question and bring up a few interesting viewpoints from the KG point of view. Now I'm a "Duncan hater." :lol.
Hell, I didn't even say Garnett was "great", yet you still managed to slip that one in there as well.
As usual, you're not even close T-Park. Too funny.
If Duncan had been on last year's Wolves team they would have made the Playoffs.
That's really all that needs to be said.
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
Of course I am.Quote:
As usual, you're not even close T-Park. Too funny.
Deflect deflect deflect.
Still think
Udrih > Parker?
question
This forum needs an emoticon for sarcasm. Otherwise, Brewski needs to lay off the, well, brewskis.
End of the thread... :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
I have a special one for Breswki as well :
If Parker had been on last year's Wolves team, they would have made the Playoffs...
^^^ OOO, now you'll just piss him off with that one.
If they had Gilbert Arenas, well well well THEY WOULDVE RULED!!!!
:lmao
You still get fired up way too easily T-Park. .
We've already been down the whole "Beno > Parker" road. I never said that no matter how much you try to spin it that way. But spin away if you like. I can only imagine the spin you'll be putting on this thread a year from now. I'm sure you'll be screaming "Brewski said Duncan sucks, and should be traded" to anyone who will listen. But then agian, you destroyed your credibility on this forum something awefull, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
the question is ridiculous. why trade a sure thing and mess up the chemistry we've established for 4 years?
Have the Spurs ever missed the playoffs with Tim Duncan on the team? Nuff said. Next.
Trade Beno for Parker
Even if we concede that Garnett is better than Duncan, that trade still wouldn't make sense. The Spurs win because the coach and players compliment the star's skills. Garnett has a different skill set, and I can't see Pop being as successful with Garnett.
The Spurs contend ever year. They won the title last season and are favored to win it again this season. Making that trade at this point would make no sense.
lets see hmmmmmm
gansta pimp daddy patched up broken leg sprained ankled poor free throw shooter Timmayy for MR MVP ALL SHOW NO GO GARNET.........
aaaaaahhhhh
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naaaah ahhhh!
Beno should be waived immediately so Anthony Carter can come back.
You people have so much to learn. Unless you believe that every Spurs starter (and almost every bench player) is better than every other player in the NBA who has played or is playing the same position, you aren't a real fan.
To qualify as a "true" fan you've also gotta believe that POP is the greatest coach ever, RC is the best GM, the uniforms are the coolest ever, the coyote is the best mascot ever, the Silver Dancers are the finest girls on the planet, the popcorn is the freshest in the SBC, the beer is the coldest in the SBC, blah, blah, blah.
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever question the Spurs or the players.
To who, you?Quote:
you destroyed your credibility on this forum something awefull,
If to you, I could care less.
I could care less what a 50 year old witha beard and drinking crown royal out of a flask all day thinks.
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e've already been down the whole "Beno > Parker" road. I never said that no matter how much you try to spin it that way
You said if you had your choice Parker or Beno, youd chose Beno.
Therefore,
Beno > Parker
Your the only one whos spinning.
Spin what?Quote:
I can only imagine the spin you'll be putting on this thread a year from now
That Duncan is better than Garnett still?
Yeah Ill spin that Im sure to what? That Duncan has 4 rings while Garnett languishes losing again.
Typical spin.Quote:
You people have so much to learn. Unless you believe that every Spurs starter (and almost every bench player) is better than every other player in the NBA who has played or is playing the same position, you aren't a real fan.
To qualify as a "true" fan you've also gotta believe that POP is the greatest coach ever, RC is the best GM, the uniforms are the coolest ever, the coyote is the best mascot ever, the Silver Dancers are the finest girls on the planet, the popcorn is the freshest in the SBC, the beer is the coldest in the SBC, blah, blah, blah.
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever question the Spurs or the players.
No one is saying everyone is better than everyone.
But if you think Garnett is better than Duncan, you need a lesson in basketball.
from what i've seen in my lifetime is there or was there any player better than timmoy allaround? (side from his FT)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
But your "questions" Did hurt Duncan and also the Spurs fans. If you want to get out from the position made by your own, you'd better shut yourself up, and learn how to raise questions next time. :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
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Originally Posted by T Park
Why do you care what I or any other person believes about Duncan or the Spurs? I'm a fan and want them to win a ring every year, but I could not care less what the media says about us (or other fans for that matter). TD doesn't have to be better than KG, he plays on a better team and has had more success, and that's all that matters.
I dont care what the media thinks.
But I somewhat care what Spurs fans think.
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Originally Posted by LilMissSPURfect
Jordan, Bird, Hakeem, Magic, Kareem were pretty good all-around players. I'm not saying they are better or worse than TD, but I'm not so myopic as to take it for granted that TD is the best ever because I'm a Spurs fan.
why? All that matters is what the players think and do. What we say or think doesn't affect the game. get a life.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
And why do you care what T Park thinks? You're doing the same thing, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
dude, you're so cool. who the fuck still uses the word dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh810
Yes, you could care less. And you make that so obvious by the way you keep responding to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
50? It'll be the better part of a decade before I'm even out of my 30's. As usual, you weren't even close.
Spin, spin, spin :spinQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Get over it already. Somebody has to play devil's advocate around here. Otherwise, we'd have nothing but boring homers like you agreeing with each other all day. If you really believe that I "hate Duncan", or believe that Beno is better than Parker, you're a lot dumber than I thought.
That's where I come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
Would you like me to edit my post so that you can actually respond to the point instead of changing the subject entirely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
no, I'd rather insult the n00b. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh810
We should trade the one person that has brought us the only three titles of our franchise with three differet teams for a guy that has not won a single one in 10 years or even made it out of the western conference. With games like last night it's going to get harder and harder for us to cut loose this salary cap waste.
http://movies.infinitecoolness.com/16/lebowski14.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Yeah, I sort of figured that. You don't really seem to be the type that can keep up a conversation very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Welcome to the dark side.Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
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Originally Posted by Josh810
you seem like a nice enough kid, so let me give you some advice. stay away from the bull, you might get the horns.
You let me know when he gets here, I'll be happy to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
You guys are crazy, trade Tim Duncan, as in TIM DUNCAN..........
Damn....you all yourself spurs fans
BANISHMENT for this rebel act! Off with the original posters head!! :hang
Well, if some plans that are being kicked around on Pistons boards come to fruition, you might try it, but wake up in the morning with Sheed in a Spurs uni....Quote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
:lol
What has happened to this forum?
Kevin Garnett is a small forward. You don't trade big for small.
very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Alls I gotta say is, if it aint broke, don't fix it.
Complete waste of time forum.
Your the one that said "If it were up to me, Id rather have Beno than Parker"Quote:
or believe that Beno is better than Parker, you're a lot dumber than I thought.
Your the resident Tony Parker hater Brewski.
STop acting like you forget.
I respond to the idiotic moronic Tony Parker and Tim Duncan hate you constantly spew.Quote:
And you make that so obvious by the way you keep responding to me.
I could care less what you think about me.
EVEN TRADE?????? :lmao :lmao
So Duncan and KG are that far apart in your eyes? Time to take off the silver and black glasses my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
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Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
BINGO!
One is a proven winner and the other is a proven crybaby
To be fair, I love the way Garnett plays. He's a Hall of Famer. But Duncan's the best PF ever.
I say pull the trigger. The O'Doul's certainly delivers more punch. :smokinQuote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
You need to quit the Bush bashing! :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
HA: Yeah, Garnett...duh...as if..CAN I GET A NOT FROM THE CONGREGATION!
Timmy and the Spurs in June: 16-6; two Reg Season MVPs; Three Finals MVPs
Garnett and the 2lves in June: 0-0; One reg season MVP
I say keep Timmy...but Maybe I am biased...certainly these stats are just damn lies, right? Didi I miss something here in the post (besides some really cool psychotropics....)
Bush doesnt have a beard, nor does he drink.Quote:
You need to quit the Bush bashing
Depends on the definition of "BUSH" and how you BASH the BUSH...
But did Tim have 21 rebounds on Thursday, December 15th? No? Then it's a wash!Quote:
Originally Posted by hussker
:rolleyes
spurs will be foolishy trade . goog for minnesota they will became contender right way
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Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
It takes so much to make this thread.
Does it really matter? KG's eight feet tall!Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Trading Duncan???? Unbelievable! Unthinkable! Idiotic to suggest such a thought. :hat
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Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
Tim Duncan is a LEADER, and you are a fool trying to start touble. :lol
Last night was a perfect example why I wouldn't trade Tim for KG, Tim's post up game is just so dominating even when he is off, the defenses have to respect him and collapse on him with 2, 3 ,4 or even 5 guys when he is in the paint. As great a player as KG is his game isn't down low he is more of a face up player and I just have never really seen him dominate a game from the low post spot for an entire game, like our man Timmy.
With Timmy, even without a Tony or manu, the Spurs will have a winning record.