I just heard on WFAN Sports Radio New York that it is down to New York, San Antonio and Dallas for the Ron Artest sweepstakes.
I want Artest!
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I just heard on WFAN Sports Radio New York that it is down to New York, San Antonio and Dallas for the Ron Artest sweepstakes.
I want Artest!
wow
scola, oberto and beno for artest
tp,manu duncan and bowen must stay a spur
I hope this is not true.
marks for artest
josh howard from the mavs
but howard is still hurt not sure if pacers would want him
any word on who is offering what GHOST
howard from mavs to spurs....mavs get marks then :spinQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
I don't know how San Antonio got into that conversation -- as they say -- don't believe everything you read or hear.
Artest would be great if he understood his role
Please God no. Artest is a total headcase. :throwupsp
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Originally Posted by Budkin
if he acts up, we can just put him on reserve. It's not like we'd be giving up much for him
I would die from laughing if the Spurs landed Artest.
What a mistake. He wants out of Indiana because he isn't getting enough touches there. Does he somehow think he's going to get more touches with Duncan, Parker, and Manu around? Unless, that is, that Manu is involved in the deal...
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Originally Posted by Brodels
HELL FUCKING NO :pctoss
With some of the rumored offers that are out there, the Pacers are likely going to get value for Artest. I wonder about this report because it seems so unlike Popovich, particularly given Pop's reaction to the Rodman fiasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
I also don't get this idea (assuming it to be true) because I can't figure where Artest fits in a rotation that Pop has been so reluctant to change. Do you ship out Bowen who's been such a good citizen and effective player? Surely, you don't send out Manu or Parker. But if you're bringing in Artest, you have to create space at a wing spot -- do you deal Finley after he spurned others to come here? I just don't know. The realities of the situtation make me think that either there's something huge cooking and it's going to get a lot of people mad, or there's nothing to the Spurs angle here.
I guess if he could move either Rasho or Nazr, throw in a contract like Barry's and really only give up Beno while getting back Artest and any one of Indy's countless parts, it could prove to be worthwhile.
would pacers really want manu who has proved he can play only 30 minutes a night on a regualr basic?
and is already hurt 3 times in this young season
and is making what he is?
Thank God this is just a rumor.
Maybe just a rumor floated by the Pacers to increase Artest's value... After all, who wants to see the Spurs get him?
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
It would simply never happen. The fans would revolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brodels
I think he'd give up Scola, Barry, and even Beno for Artest. As far as the rotation, Artest would either start or back up Manu. Either way, he'd get some good minutes. Artest is in the last year of his deal so it wouldn't be a huge risk for the spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
If we had Artest, think of the finals.
Bowen on Billups
Artest on Hamilton
Detroits backcourt is a non factor.
This just in:
ARTEST, LAKERS FINED: Ron Artest's trade request will cost him $10,000, and the NBA also fined the Los Angeles Lakers $25,000 Thursday for coach Phil Jackson's comments about Toronto forward Chris Bosh.
Artest was penalized for "making public statements detrimental to the NBA." He expressed his desire to be traded from the Indiana Pacers in a Dec. 11 story in the Indianapolis Star.
The NBA said Jackson violated the league's anti-tampering rule with his comments about the Lakers' interest in Bosh when the team was in Toronto to play the Raptors on Dec. 8.
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...512160460/1002
Is this true? I'd hate to see any of our guys go.
I just can't imagine that Pop would take on a player who wants to leave Indy because he isn't getting enough touches. Add to that the fact that he's been a menace everywhere he's been, and it just doesn't make sense that Pop would want to upset the apple cart.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Sure, there will be an opening at small forward in the coming years, but this certainly isn't the solution.
It's easy to think that adding talent would make the Spurs better, but it doesn't always work that way. I know that some would have liked to see a lineup of Gary Payton, Tyrone Nesby, and some other washed-up scrubs. Adding Artest would be similar in one respect: it doesn't make any sense, and there would be significant risk involved.
You do know that if SA gets Artest, he will start in Bowens place.
You still want Artest?
that was posted in the nba forum yesterday
Hell no, bring Artest off the bench, just give em alot of minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
It would be a huge risk because the Spurs are about winning right now. And if anything complicated their chances this season, the trade would end up being a bad one. Remember, Artest cost his team any attempt at a title last season, and I find it hard to believe that he's going to get more touches in San Antonio. That's what he's seeking - more touches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
He's volatile, the Spurs won't be able to give him what he wants, and he'll create a logjam.
Bruce Bowen's name was linked to the trade rumors.
WFAN's Mike Francesa said, "The Spurs are already winning the champion ship. Put Artest on the team and you might as well give it to them now for the next 5 years!"
You might've seen this in the New York Post, too:
"The New York Post reports Rod Thorn placed his obligatory call to Indiana about Ron Artest. Thorn's gut feeling where Artest lands: "Somewhere West.""
:fro
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Bruce Bowen's name was linked to the trade rumors.
If it's anyone, it would be something like Barry + Oberto.
But the Pacers want to trade him to a BAD team .. that's not the Spurs.
Bingo. It wouldnt work, anyless Pop started Artest and made him the number 2 go-to-guy. Wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brodels
Please, no Artest!!!
If Bruce leaves, I'll be pissed.
Agreed. So much of the Spurs' recent successes have been built on chemistry and selfless commitment to team. Artest could, I guess, fit in if he chose to, but it strikes me as unlikely. And given what the Spurs have done to line up a couple more title runs in the short term, taking that gamble doesn't seem to make a lot of sense from a basketball standpoint or a chemistry standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brodels
And again, reportedly, Pop had the chance to get Artest for Steve Smith a few years ago and turned that down. Why on Earth, with all that's happened since then, would he deal a better player for that guy?
Bowen and Artest on the same team?
If that happened Kobe and Ray would both go jump off a building.
Think about this: he's averaging almost 20 points on almost 15 shots per game. And he's saying that he wants to be traded because that's not enough for him. Do you think he would be satisfied in San Antonio given the fact that he will average less touches and points there?Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Bowen is too crucial to the Spurs success. They better not trade him. :pctoss
Man i'd hate to see Barry go, but this scenario sounds better to me than others. I love Brent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Who really wants Artest on the team?
I don't, I mean we're already a lock-in for the 'ship.
What would be the point of Bowen and Artest, though?
It seems like Barry would be a nice fit for Indiana and we don't really need him now that we got Finley.
I want Artest.
He's a younger, better version of Bowen.
And he's nuts.
Next five years? Do you actually think that the Spurs would break the bank to re-sign him? I can't see the Spurs handing out another big, long-term contract anytime soon, so the five years thing is a bunch of crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Artest wouldn't start if he came to the Spurs. He'd be a backup swingman. He's already said that he would come off the bench if he went to a good team. I don't think there's any chance he'd end up here. But just so you know, they aren't going to throw him into the starting lineup. He'd be a role player here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
The Pacers have always had a thing for Oberto. They could use a shooter in Barry. Even in ESPN Insider yesterday they said if anything, the Spurs would offer Barry + Oberto. The salaries match and everything. BUT, it's very very inplausible.
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Originally Posted by Brodels
if he get's crazy, we bury him on the bench. His contract is up at the end of the year so we could let him go if it doesn't work. Ron could be a great addition for the spurs; but if he goes "Artest" on us, we'll let him ride pine. basically he'd be riding the same pine Oberto and Barry would be riding if we didn't get him.
Younger, yes. Better? No, not IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
I just don't want to be afraid to go to Spurs games because we have a freakin' lunatic who starts riots on the team. I don't want him around our guys on a long-term basis. The guy's a nut-job.
I wouldn't mind Artest on our team. But I don't wanna lose certain key guys. Another thing, if we did get em, I don't think Pop would put up with his childish ways.
If he came, Bruce could actually be a good mentor to him, and he could be as good or better than Bruce after Bruce is gone. considering I think Bruce is best defensive player in the game, that's alot of work for Ron.
Of course you want him. He's all about flash, not winning. He's pretty much said as much by stating that it's most important for him to get more touches and score more points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
He wants to be in a place where he can get more touches. So SA isn't going to be a place he's going to want to be.
So you're telling me that you want the Spurs to trade for a guy who doesn't want to be in San Antonio, who has created problems everywhere he's been, and who is a free agent at the end of the year?
Who's your starting small forward next season if you move Bruce? Melvin Sanders?
if the pacers want to send him to a bad team
knicks is the only bad team mentioned here
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Originally Posted by Brodels
he said that but he also said he would backup lebron james
Bowen is not going anywhere people, unless (for some odd reason) the lakers wanted to do an even trade for kobe.
The Eagles buried TO this season, and he continues to be a distraction. Burying a player on the bench doesn't usually get rid of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
It's not about flash, it's about building a talented team with lots of chemistry that can win.
I can't believe I'm saying this...but I'd rather have Artest than Kobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
The only downside I see about the possibilty of ron artest would be that he is psychotic. But mabe Pop could straighten him out. Think about this:
Bowen shuts down kobe for a half and gets tired only for us to bring Artest off the bench to continue the defensive hounding as well as score about 20. It would be great.
Every team needs one crazy guy
That's the reason you want to trade for Artest? Good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Clubber, keep your thoughts on Popovich to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
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Originally Posted by Brodels
No, I'd rather hang onto two 3rd stringers.
article on this?
Exactly! You have to admit, at times, the spurs need a little emotional punch to get them going. Artest could be that guy if he stayed under control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Funny...we've gotten along just fine for several years now (since Rodman) without one. I haven't missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
He says he heard it on the radio. I haven't been able to find anything on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Didn't yall hear? Tim is a PIMP!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
People are freaking out over a rumor.
Just a rumor people. Dallas has categorically said they are NOT interested in Artest. They do not want to give up Josh Howard, despite his injury. AJ doesn't want Artest, and Josh Howard is pretty important to long term Dallas success.
Can you seriously see Pop and Co upsetting the apple cart for a guy who has been nothing but trouble everywhere he's played? Seriously? I just can't. They've got a nice thing going here and the reason is works is buy in. Artest is the anti-thesis of buying into Pop's program. Nobody in SA wants the attention Artest will bring with him. Nobody wants that headache when they are already on their way to winning consecutive championships. They have enough problems teaching Nazr their defensive system. I can't see them pounding the offensive breakdown into Ron's head, as he sits on the bench behind Bruce and behind Manu, behind Finley, waiting for his turn for limited offense.
From today's ESPN Insider ...
Who's Interested?
Hawks?
Nuggets?
Warriors?
Clippers?
Grizzlies?
Heat?
Knicks?
Kings?
Raptors?
Lakers Not In The Mix For Artest
Dec 16 - The agent for Ron Artest told the Los Angeles Daily News Thursday that the Lakers were not in the mix of teams considered the most serious contenders to trade for Artest. "It's really not on our list of priorities of teams, not that I know of yet," agent Mark Stevens said.
Today's gossip ...
If the agent for Ron Artest gets his wish, his client will remain with the Pacers, reports USA Today. "Hopefully, it won't get done, and we can iron out the differences and work past this," said Mark Stevens. "Indiana is a great city, a great organization. Both entities need each other."
The New York Post reports Rod Thorn placed his obligatory call to Indiana about Ron Artest. Thorn's gut feeling where Artest lands: "Somewhere West."
Further, Indy has declared that they want to ship him to a non-contender in the Western Conf. It's unlikely he's going to NY either, especially since that is where he wants to land. They don't want to reward him for the way he's acted. Get him out, sure, reward him, nope.
They only possible reason they'd ship him to SA would be on the hope that he fucks everything and everyone here up so much that SA has a massive collapse and they don't make the Finals.
You think a former defensive player of the year will have a touggh time playing D for the Spurs?
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Originally Posted by easjer
he wouldn't be that far down the bench
If Artest does come, he needs to hand over that award to Bruce, the rightful owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
No I think he they would have a tough time teaching him the system from top to bottom, not the defensive set.
And he sure as hell would be that far down if he's as crazy here as he's been elsewhere. Pop doesn't reward bad behavior with playing time.
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Originally Posted by easjer
you have a negative attitude.
So does Ron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Sincerely,
Donnie Walsh
Barry and Oberto.
The Pacers love Oberto and Brent Barry fits the reserve guard role, or they move Jackson to SF and start Barry.
This trade makes perfect sense.
Even artest has said he would come off th ebench.
Can you imagine once again, a small lineup of
Duncan
Artest
Bowen
Ginobili
Parker
WHO WOULD SCORE ON THAT!!!
That is SICK SICK defense.
If Artest only had this year left in his contract, then I'd say the Spurs would be all over him. After all, they were willing to just cut Ron Mercer in the last ($7M) year of his contract when he didn't work out. But the fact that he has 3 more years on his contract is hard to overcome. If he goes "Artest" or somehow otherwise becomes a problem, the Spurs aren't going to eat that huge of a contract.
I don't think he goes Artest for this reason.
He IMO is like a Stephen Jackson.
Under strong authority role models, but RESPECTED, role models, he would behave.
IE, he has extreme respect for Tim Duncan, and more than likely Gregg Popovich.
If this trade goes down, it wont be popular, but itll be better than Rodman, because for this reason. Artest respects authority, while Rodman never did.
If this team got Artest, and only gave up Brent Barry and Fabricio Oberto?
Good god.....
70 wins here we come.
Well, if they would actually bite on Barry/Oberto, Pop might consider it as it wouldn't cost any of our main contributors. I have to think other teams have more to offer, however.
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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Yeah, that's the problem with this trade scenario. :lol
Look, my person opinion? I would love to have Artest for a steal if he could act like an adult. I've yet to see him act any way other than a boy with a huge anger management issue. He throws temper tantrums. He wants the ball more. He doesn't want to be a defensive specialist. He wants a new team. Wah wah wah.
I think, given his history, that he is beyond redemption with the Spurs. Some players could come here and change their ways and be terrific in our system. I don't think Artest buys into the basic principles of the system (unselfishness, defense, team first play). It doesn't make him a bad player. But his constant whining and antics and tempers do make him a loon. And to pull what he's just pulled after all the chances and support he's already received from a very patient team indicates that he's not ready to be a mature player.
That's not gonna fly here. He wants things to be handed to him, and he's not going to get that. He's going to earn his minutes or he's not going to play. He's going to have to fit a certain role (which *will* be behind Manu and Bruce) or he's not going to play. He's going to have to give up the ball and defer to other or he's not going to play. And he's clearly indicated that is not what he wants.
Other than that, the whole post is about a rumor. A rumor I can not give credence to, because the other aspects of the rumor have flaws as big as the one that concerns us. Dallas doesn't want him and Indy won't let NY have him. Plain and simple. If those are untrue, why would the rest be true?
Like who Chump.
Serious question, not trying to be a smart ass.
if TPARK thinks it's a good deal, it must be. TPARK is probably the most passionate Spurs fan here. He only wants what's best for the team.
I would pull a trade for all but Duncan, Parker or Manu in a heartbeat - last night we almost lost a game vs one of many skilled and talented big men going off. Artest although not a giant is going to truly help shut down the Dirks, TMacs and Garnetts as well as anyone in the game his size for spells of a game. Could you imagine him and Bowen on the court together shutting down the whole perimeter? It is worth the risk period.
I do want whats best for the team.
Adding an all star DPOY next to Duncan, and Bowen and Ginobili is beyond a no brainer.
I stand by him being behaved under authority figures like Duncan and Pop.
He respects them, and that respect would be in good behavior.
Ghost is a fucking moron.
Artest is a crazy man, he os unreliable at best.
ATLANTA HAWKS
Al Harrington is a perfect match salary-wise, but the Hawks will likely hold onto him until it's closer to the trade deadline, then move him if they feel he'll leave as a free agent. For now, they could offer Tyronn Lue ($3.5 million) and Tony Delk ($2.925 million).
Plausibility rating (Harrington): 3
Plausibility rating (Lue/Delk): 1
BOSTON CELTICS
The chances are almost zilch that Danny Ainge would offer Paul Pierce ($13.8 million) for Artest and another player. Instead, the C's could combine Brian Scalabrine ($2.6 million), Dan Dickau ($2.25 million) and Marcus Banks ($1.724 million).
Plausibility rating (Pierce): 1
Plausibility rating (Scalabrine/Dickau/Banks): 1
CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
The second-year franchise is about $3.5 million below its salary cap of $37.1 million, so the Bobcats would not have to match Artest's salary. They could offer Jumaine Jones ($1.875 million) and Kareem Rush ($3 million).
Plausibility rating (Jones/Rush): 1
CHICAGO BULLS
Back in the days of Jerry Krause, they traded Artest and Brad Miller for Jalen Rose. To get Artest back, they could offer Tim Thomas ($13.975 million) and take Austin Croshere ($7.8 million).
Plausibility rating (Thomas): 3
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Ron-Ron said he wouldn't mind being LeBron James' backup. Danny Ferry could offer Donyell Marshall ($4.8 million) or Eric Snow ($5.48 million) and a throw-in, but Ferry would more likely try to lump together Luke Jackson ($1.95 million), Sasha Pavlovic ($1.274 million) and Ira Newble ($2.95 million).
Plausibility rating (Marshall/Snow): 1
Plausibility rating (Jackson/Pavlovic/Newble): 1
DALLAS MAVERICKS
Plenty of possibilities, the most amenable of which (for Dallas) would be Keith Van Horn ($15.7 million) for Artest and Croshere, or a straight-up offer of Jerry Stackhouse ($8.37 million).
Plausibility rating (Various Mavs options): 4
DENVER NUGGETS
One player agent told Insider on Monday that the Nuggets were listening to offers for Kenyon Martin ($10.89 million). If Denver tried to get Artest at a cheaper price, an offer of Voshon Lenard ($3.5 million) and Nene ($3.04 million) would work.
Plausibility rating (Martin): 1
Plausibility rating (Lenard/Nene): 4
DETROIT PISTONS
They wouldn't dare bring in the player most people blame for igniting The Palace brawl last season, would they? Only if they could get him for Darko Milicic ($4.13 million) and Maurice Evans ($1.5 million).
Plausibility rating (Milicic/Evans): 2
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Artest could be a piece of the puzzle that would lock up a postseason berth for the Warriors, but would Chris Mullin be willing to part with a key reserve, Derek Fisher ($5.4 million), who's shooting nearly 50 percent from 3-point range?
Plausibility rating (Fisher): 2
HOUSTON ROCKETS
If Artest is looking for offensive freedom, he won't find it here behind Tracy McGrady. But Carroll Dawson could still try to get him on the cheap by offering Jon Barry ($1.8 million) and Moochie Norris ($4.2 million).
Plausibility rating (Barry/Norris): 1
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Artest could turn the Clippers from an upstart into a powerhouse, but would they part with Corey Maggette ($7 million)? More likely is an offer of Chris Wilcox ($2.8 million) and Zeljko Rebraca ($3 million).
Plausibility rating (Maggette): 3
Plausibility rating (Wilcox/Rebraca): 1
LOS ANGELES LAKERS
If they could get Artest for Kwame Brown ($7.5 million), they'd do it in a second. If they could get him for Devean George ($5 million) and Stanislav Medvedenko ($3 million), they'd do it in a nanosecond.
Plausibility rating (Brown): 1
Plausibility rating (George/Medvedenko): 2
MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Jerry West reportedly tried to acquire Artest last season in exchange for Bonzi Wells. Indiana would probably trade Artest for Shane Battier ($4.9 million) and a throw-in, but West is not likely to make such an offer. But he might propose Brian Cardinal ($5.4 million) and a throw-in.
Plausibility rating (Battier): 3
Plausibility rating (Cardinal): 1
MIAMI HEAT
Indiana has always liked Antoine Walker ($6.88 million), who hasn't fit in all that well with his new team. If the Heat could acquire Artest, they'd have little need for James Posey ($5.9 million).
Plausibility rating (Walker): 4
Plausibility rating (Posey): 3
MILWAUKEE BUCKS
An offer of Bobby Simmons ($8 million) might get the job done, but general manager Larry Harris would first make a lowball offer of Joe Smith ($6.35 million) or a package of Dan Gadzuric ($4.75 million) and Jiri Welsch ($2.18 million).
Plausibility rating (Simmons): 2
Plausibility rating (Smith): 1
Plausibility rating (Gadzuric/Welsch): 2
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Could package a strong defender, Trenton Hassell ($4.35 million), with spare parts Mark Madsen ($2 million) and Nikoloz Tskitishvili ($745,000). A better offer would include Wally Szczerbiak ($10.5 million), but Indiana would have to send back another player.
Plausibility rating (Hassell/Madsen/Tskitishvili): 3
Plausibility rating (Szczerbiak): 2
NEW JERSEY NETS
Rod Thorn is trying to find a power forward, not a small forward, and Artest would have a hard time fitting in with Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter manning the two and three spots. But if the Nets would be willing to move Carter ($13.8 million) to shake up a team in a funk, they could take back Artest and Jeff Foster ($5 million).
Plausibility rating (Carter): 3
NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Almost $6.5 million below the salary cap, the Hornets would not have to match salaries. Bostjan Nachbar ($2.5 million), Arvydas Macijauskas ($2.5 million) and Rasual Butler ($1.3 million) are all expendable.
Plausibility rating (Nachbar/Macijauskas/Butler): 3
NEW YORK KNICKS
This is the team Artest would prefer to play for, but the Pacers are loathe to make any deals with former coach and Bird adversary Isiah Thomas, who could offer Jamal Crawford ($6.48 million) or Quentin Richardson ($6.95 million).
Plausibility rating (Crawford or Richardson): 3
ORLANDO MAGIC
For a franchise going nowhere, an infusion of Artest might get the folks in central Florida interested again. Hedo Turkoglu ($5.4 million) and Stacey Augmon ($1.14 million) would help replace some of what Indiana will be losing.
Plausibility rating (Turkoglu/Augmon): 2
PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Willie Green could be sent to Indiana in a sign-and-trade deal if the Pacers want to take a chance on his surgically repaired knee, and the Sixers could combine his salary with that of Kyle Korver ($3.63 million), who would be expendable if Artest came aboard.
Plausibility rating (Green/Korver): 4
PHOENIX SUNS
Raja Bell ($4.25 million) and Jim Jackson ($2.64 million) would work, and if Bryan Colangelo was willing to throw in Leandro Barbosa ($930,000), he might just be able to get a deal done.
Plausibility rating (Bell/Jackson/Barbosa): 3
PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Ruben Patterson ($6.35 million) will likely be traded somewhere sooner rather than later, but general manager John Nash is wary of bringing in any head cases -- a category in which Artest definitely qualifies.
Plausibility rating (Patterson): 1
SACRAMENTO KINGS
The trade that everyone seems to feel makes most sense would be a straight-up swap for Peja Stojakovic ($7.5 million), but the Kings insist there have been no discussions about trading him. They'd rather move Corliss Williamson ($6 million), Brian Skinner ($4.95 million) and/or Kenny Thomas ($6.5 million).
Plausibility rating (Stojakovic): 4
Plausibility rating (Williamson/Skinner/Thomas): 1
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Another team awash in spare parts. Indiana has always liked Argentine center Fabricio Oberto ($2.35 million), who could be combined with Brent Barry ($4.7 million) to make the salaries match. But could coach Gregg Popovich live with Artest's act? Probably not.
Plausibility rating (Oberto/Barry): 1
SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Vladimir Radmanovic ($3.17 million) has the right to veto any trade, and he'd give up his Bird rights if he accepted one. That leaves Danny Fortson ($6.2 million) and Ronald Murray ($895,000) as the best package the Sonics would likely care to offer.
Plausibility rating (Fortson/Murray): 1
TORONTO RAPTORS
Morris Peterson ($4.55 million) would be a fit for the Pacers, but GM Rob Babcock would first try to move the dreck (Eric Williams, $3.9 million; Aaron Williams, $3.38 million) he received in the Carter trade.
Plausibility rating (Peterson): 4
Plausibility rating (Williams/Williams): 1
UTAH JAZZ
Hard to imagine a worse pairing than Artest and coach Jerry Sloan, and the guess here is that Jazz owner Larry Miller would want no part of Artest -- even if the price was only Greg Ostertag ($4.4 million) or Matt Harpring ($5.02 million) and a throw-in.
Plausibility rating (Ostertag/Harpring): 1
WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Still kicking themselves for letting Larry Hughes get away, they'd gladly cut their losses with Antonio Daniels ($5 million). But they'd also have to include a small forward, either Jared Jeffries ($2.43 million) or Jarvis Hayes ($2.01 million).
Plausibility rating (Daniels and Jeffries or Hayes): 3
From yesterday's ESPN Insider
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Could you imagine him and Bowen on the court together shutting down the whole perimeter?
EXACTLY!!!
Between him, Bowen, Ginobili
The Spurs would have the best perimiter defense in the history of basketball.
Players that would get Behind them would be slowed up enough for Duncan to rotate to.
EASY.
Why would he have this respect for Tim Duncan when he didn't have it for Reggie? Why would he have it for Pop? People like Ron Artest don't respect anybody because they don't respect themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
This is sounding very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
:lmao
YES DO THE TRADE.Quote:
Another team awash in spare parts. Indiana has always liked Argentine center Fabricio Oberto ($2.35 million), who could be combined with Brent Barry ($4.7 million) to make the salaries match. But could coach Gregg Popovich live with Artest's act
What they are once again forgetting, is Artest would understand going in, how he would have to act around Pop, or else the trade aint gettin done.
Plus I think Pop likes these reclamation project throw aways.
Stephen Jackson comes to mind.
how tall is Artest?
If it's possible we could get him it would be stupid not to give him a chance. The opposing guards and small forwards would be constantly shut down. We could hold perimeter based teams to like 60 points.
Read the article where Ron Artest is practically gushing over Tim Duncan.Quote:
Why would he have this respect for Tim Duncan when he didn't have it for Reggie
Saying DUncan is badass and what not.
6'7, 260Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
In otherwords, Bowen height, but add another 70 pounds or so.
I think 6'8 6'9, Not TOTALLY sure.Quote:
how tall is Artest?
His wingspan is long though.
Helloo long 3! :smokin
I read the article, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
There is something in it for him to be saying that NOW. He thinks it will help him in some way. I can't explain to you how Ron Artest's tiny little mind works. I still maintain that anyone who does not respect himself (and I don't believe Ron Artest knows what self-respect even is) cannot respect anyone else. The first time he got pissed off here, he would be right back in the old Ron Artest skin. It's not worth the risk.
Well, also Reggie is a player, not the coach. The Spurs have a history of not putting up with crap. The Coach and the players here. I think he'd understand real quick that we'd only tolerate class.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Tim Duncan is not a coach, either, and his whole argument is based on some hype Ron was spewing about respecting Tim Duncan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Everyone is saying that Artest would "understand" this and that and behave accordingly.
One fact that people are overlooking is that ...
He's MENTAL.
He would seriously need to be on medication and in counseling to behavior normally over a long period of time. But he thinks taking meds takes the "edge" off his game so he doesn't do it.
Just something to ponder.
Tim's not the coach, But Tim and Pop together with our ball club history speaks more than just Reggie.
Yep! http://tinypic.com/ioeolv.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
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I like how Tim Duncan plays. I like how he just plays hard.”
You blink. It’s like Batman just mentioned his admiration for Superman.
“I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s ass, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a…he’s a pimp.”
I show the above quote.
I also dont think Artest respected Reggie, because Reggie talked a big ass game, but never delivered on rings, just because his teams werent that good.
I dont know, there was some things internally where I think Artest might have lost respect for Reggie and what not. we will never know.
SPOT ON My friend, spot on.Quote:
The Spurs have a history of not putting up with crap. The Coach and the players here. I think he'd understand real quick that we'd only tolerate class.
really.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
This is reallllly interesting. Wonder if this rumor holds any weight.