the problem with the pacers
is tinsley,oneal, jackson and ron are on the same team and have a high strung personally each
larry bird has said publically so and not sure if they could keep them all
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the problem with the pacers
is tinsley,oneal, jackson and ron are on the same team and have a high strung personally each
larry bird has said publically so and not sure if they could keep them all
Wait. Indy really wants to make this trade? How true are these rumors? You are sounding like its almost a done deal! Please tell me its not!Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I've said already, I think it will be (if we do it) Nazr + Barry + whatever else to top it off (be it Beno, Oberto, other).Quote:
I'm having a tough time believing Walsh couldn't do better than Barry/Oberto.
I think it's risen to Rumor Alert Level "Modesto"....Quote:
How true are these rumors?
I have a tough time thinking Walsh can't do better than Nazr + Barry + whatever else to top it off, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I've heard a rumor that the NBA wants to see what happens if a team got all the best players. The GMs have agreed to make the following trades:
Shaq for Rasho
Brand for NAZR
Artest for BARRY/Scola draft rights
Keving Garnett for Horry.
Ray Allen for Nick Van Exel
More are in the works.
:lol:rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
~creeming myself~~~~~~~
I'll take Redd over Vagina though.
I love how argentinians take this too seriously.
There is no question Artest would be an incredible player to obtain, especially with the basketball philosophy Pop subscribes to.
But he is a huge risk. I wouldn't believe anything that came out of his mouth because I don't think he really knows how he will react to a certain situation until it actually happens.
I have read some people comparing Artest to Rodman or Artest to T.O. I don't think those are accurate comparisons.
Rodman misbehaved because he was trying to promote himself for off the court business ventures. He wanted to be known as a bad boy to stimulate a film career along with anything else he could capitalize on. I don't think Rodman was unstable. He knew what he was doing. He was living an image he created for himself.
T.O. is the epitome of an egomaniac. But I don't think T.O. is unstable either. His actions and words are calculated. He does what he does, in part for self promotion, but also to satisfy his huge ego for attention. He wants to be loved. I think that is why he does what he does.
Artest is more like Mike Tyson. I don't think he's as crazy as Tyson. But one thing the two have in common is that both are very unstable. You don't know what your going to get until it happens. That is what scares me about Artest. He could say all the right things and do all the right things, but do we really know how he will react if someone else throws a beer at him again?
If the Spurs could pick him up cheap(Barry/Oberto/Beno), I say do it. But if you are giving up Nazr, no way.
Because there would be way too much talent to get the shots around. Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan is already a bunch as it is (and they manage pretty well together, all are very unselfish for the most part) and then add Artest with Finley and our bench, thats too much talent for the ball to go around. But definitely don't misinterpret me, I do NOT want Artest on this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
And the fans would hate it, everyone is in love with Parker and Ginobili.
What's weak is you tinking Artest is better than Parker and Ginobili and then saying Indiana will accept Nazr+Barry in a trade for Ron ronQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I would never include Manu or TP in a trade for Artest, but the argument that he is a cancer has been overdone in my opinion. There have been many times that the Spurs have picked up a supposed "cancer" and things worked out. Glenn Robinson, Ron Mercer (at least until he wanted out for more pt, but it was all professional) and Nick X to name a few. 70% of me wants the team as it is for chemistry reasons and 30% of me wants him to come just to see the possiblities if he behaves himself and is willing to come off the bench. Having 4 all NBA defensive team type players is a luxury that I don't think any team in NBA history has been awarded (I may be wrong). In all honesty though, the chances of him coming are very small and the chances that he wouldn't be some kind of disturbance is even smaller.
He's ruined the championship aspirations of a very good team two years in a row. I don't know how that can be overstated.Quote:
the argument that he is a cancer has been overdone in my opinion.
I guess I meant his influence as a cancer on the Spurs. I should of said his impact as a cancer on the Spurs. I also said I really don't want him here, but for the sake of the potential to add an all league talent to an already loaded squad, it's totally a curiosity, not a wish. But then again, curiosity did kill the cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You can't compare NVE, Big Dog with Artest.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
Big Dog was a $200k gamble over 3 month.
NVE is a $700k gamble over 1 year.
Artest is a $30M gamble over 4 years.
If you add that Artest is way more psycho than these guys, it's a very risky move.
As said before, if Artest was expiring, yes. but no with his contract. I don't see Spurs front office ready to bet so much money.
If Artest ruins the chemistry, we can't waive him contrary to NVE, Big Dog and Mercer.
pacers are fighting among themselves without reggie
pacers need to get rid of either tinsley,jackson,oneal or ron
they are all to high strung players to play on the same team
ron may be helping them win a championship or atleast getting back to becoming a contender with getting rid of ron if they get anytalent back
it was not completly ron's fault that jackson and oneal went into the stands
it was ron's fault that he went crazy but jackson and oneal did that on their own
If the Spurs want to trade for Artest, what are they going to offer?
The Pacers want a pairing of either a promising young player, an expiring contract or a player who can help to win now.
The Spurs don't have a promising young player (Beno isn't playing, Oberto is 30 years old)
The Spurs do have an expiring contract with Nazr but it won't be enough.
The players who can help the Pacers win now without Artest are Manu, Parker, Duncan and Bowen.
Duncan will never be traded.
Parker is the futur of the Spurs.
Manu could be the guy? Just watch some tapes of the last playoffs and any Spurs fan should see him as untradable.
I think that the best shot will be to trade Bowen. I think that a guy like Bird won't underestimate what Bowen brings to the table and he could be a very good replacement for Artest.
We should probably throw in Oberto and maybee even Finley.
Will Pop and RC do it? I don't think it is too out of mind. It remembers a little what happened in that Rose for Nazr trade last year. Sure Bowen is a lot better than Malik was but so is Artest and Nazr.
You know when I see Ronnie...I think Roy Tarpley or Michael Ray Richardson all over again, except in this case Ronnie don't need the rock cocaine to go crazy, he pretty much can do that all on his own.
The only way to make Indiana THINK about the trade is to offer Manu. No chance they Pacers would give SA another quality player just for Barry/Oberto or Nazr...
I wonder when the Trade will go down and who Indiana will trade with...
There is no way on earth the Pacers would trade Artest to the Spurs, unless it was for Tim Duncan. And that's plain stupid.
I don't think the Pacers are dumb enough to trade Artest to a title contender unless the deal is too good for them to pass up(i.e.Ginobili)...
Why would they give him a shot at a ring with the way he's disrupted their organization?
What's weak is not being able to look at another team (Indiana) and recognize their needs, strengths, and weaknesses.Quote:
What's weak is you tinking Artest is better than Parker and Ginobili and then saying Indiana will accept Nazr+Barry in a trade for Ron ron
But that's typical for the majority of this board.
Indiana needs inside depth (Nazr). They need a reliable point guard (Beno). And they need a shooting guard (Barry).
They can take care of all their needs with one trade.
Who else would the Spurs take back from Indiana? Because Barry+Nazr+Beno is about 11M, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Also, they've been offered ALL-STARS for Artest. Why would they take scrubs?
I might buy the Nazr argument even though Foster has come back and Croshere has been decent, but Beno isn't going to supplant any of their three point guards and I'm not sure Barry is going to get them too excited as a starting SG -- I mean this is 38 minutes and 19 ppg they're looking to replace, to say nothing of the defense. Is this really the closest Walsh could come to equal value? Especially if another deal could take a deal like Croshere's off his hands?