Word from WFAN New York: Artest to Spurs Strong Possibility

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

you have a negative attitude.

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Yeah, that's the problem with this trade scenario. :lol

Look, my person opinion? I would love to have Artest for a steal if he could act like an adult. I've yet to see him act any way other than a boy with a huge anger management issue. He throws temper tantrums. He wants the ball more. He doesn't want to be a defensive specialist. He wants a new team. Wah wah wah.

I think, given his history, that he is beyond redemption with the Spurs. Some players could come here and change their ways and be terrific in our system. I don't think Artest buys into the basic principles of the system (unselfishness, defense, team first play). It doesn't make him a bad player. But his constant whining and antics and tempers do make him a loon. And to pull what he's just pulled after all the chances and support he's already received from a very patient team indicates that he's not ready to be a mature player.

That's not gonna fly here. He wants things to be handed to him, and he's not going to get that. He's going to earn his minutes or he's not going to play. He's going to have to fit a certain role (which *will* be behind Manu and Bruce) or he's not going to play. He's going to have to give up the ball and defer to other or he's not going to play. And he's clearly indicated that is not what he wants.

Other than that, the whole post is about a rumor. A rumor I can not give credence to, because the other aspects of the rumor have flaws as big as the one that concerns us. Dallas doesn't want him and Indy won't let NY have him. Plain and simple. If those are untrue, why would the rest be true?

Like who Chump.

Serious question, not trying to be a smart ass.

if TPARK thinks it's a good deal, it must be. TPARK is probably the most passionate Spurs fan here. He only wants what's best for the team.

I would pull a trade for all but Duncan, Parker or Manu in a heartbeat - last night we almost lost a game vs one of many skilled and talented big men going off. Artest although not a giant is going to truly help shut down the Dirks, TMacs and Garnetts as well as anyone in the game his size for spells of a game. Could you imagine him and Bowen on the court together shutting down the whole perimeter? It is worth the risk period.

I do want whats best for the team.

Adding an all star DPOY next to Duncan, and Bowen and Ginobili is beyond a no brainer.


I stand by him being behaved under authority figures like Duncan and Pop.

He respects them, and that respect would be in good behavior.

Ghost is a fucking moron.

Artest is a crazy man, he os unreliable at best.

ATLANTA HAWKS
Al Harrington is a perfect match salary-wise, but the Hawks will likely hold onto him until it's closer to the trade deadline, then move him if they feel he'll leave as a free agent. For now, they could offer Tyronn Lue ($3.5 million) and Tony Delk ($2.925 million).
Plausibility rating (Harrington): 3
Plausibility rating (Lue/Delk): 1

BOSTON CELTICS
The chances are almost zilch that Danny Ainge would offer Paul Pierce ($13.8 million) for Artest and another player. Instead, the C's could combine Brian Scalabrine ($2.6 million), Dan Dickau ($2.25 million) and Marcus Banks ($1.724 million).
Plausibility rating (Pierce): 1
Plausibility rating (Scalabrine/Dickau/Banks): 1

CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
The second-year franchise is about $3.5 million below its salary cap of $37.1 million, so the Bobcats would not have to match Artest's salary. They could offer Jumaine Jones ($1.875 million) and Kareem Rush ($3 million).
Plausibility rating (Jones/Rush): 1

CHICAGO BULLS
Back in the days of Jerry Krause, they traded Artest and Brad Miller for Jalen Rose. To get Artest back, they could offer Tim Thomas ($13.975 million) and take Austin Croshere ($7.8 million).
Plausibility rating (Thomas): 3

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Ron-Ron said he wouldn't mind being LeBron James' backup. Danny Ferry could offer Donyell Marshall ($4.8 million) or Eric Snow ($5.48 million) and a throw-in, but Ferry would more likely try to lump together Luke Jackson ($1.95 million), Sasha Pavlovic ($1.274 million) and Ira Newble ($2.95 million).
Plausibility rating (Marshall/Snow): 1
Plausibility rating (Jackson/Pavlovic/Newble): 1

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Plenty of possibilities, the most amenable of which (for Dallas) would be Keith Van Horn ($15.7 million) for Artest and Croshere, or a straight-up offer of Jerry Stackhouse ($8.37 million).
Plausibility rating (Various Mavs options): 4

DENVER NUGGETS
One player agent told Insider on Monday that the Nuggets were listening to offers for Kenyon Martin ($10.89 million). If Denver tried to get Artest at a cheaper price, an offer of Voshon Lenard ($3.5 million) and Nene ($3.04 million) would work.
Plausibility rating (Martin): 1
Plausibility rating (Lenard/Nene): 4

DETROIT PISTONS
They wouldn't dare bring in the player most people blame for igniting The Palace brawl last season, would they? Only if they could get him for Darko Milicic ($4.13 million) and Maurice Evans ($1.5 million).
Plausibility rating (Milicic/Evans): 2

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Artest could be a piece of the puzzle that would lock up a postseason berth for the Warriors, but would Chris Mullin be willing to part with a key reserve, Derek Fisher ($5.4 million), who's shooting nearly 50 percent from 3-point range?
Plausibility rating (Fisher): 2

HOUSTON ROCKETS
If Artest is looking for offensive freedom, he won't find it here behind Tracy McGrady. But Carroll Dawson could still try to get him on the cheap by offering Jon Barry ($1.8 million) and Moochie Norris ($4.2 million).
Plausibility rating (Barry/Norris): 1

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Artest could turn the Clippers from an upstart into a powerhouse, but would they part with Corey Maggette ($7 million)? More likely is an offer of Chris Wilcox ($2.8 million) and Zeljko Rebraca ($3 million).
Plausibility rating (Maggette): 3
Plausibility rating (Wilcox/Rebraca): 1

LOS ANGELES LAKERS
If they could get Artest for Kwame Brown ($7.5 million), they'd do it in a second. If they could get him for Devean George ($5 million) and Stanislav Medvedenko ($3 million), they'd do it in a nanosecond.
Plausibility rating (Brown): 1
Plausibility rating (George/Medvedenko): 2

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Jerry West reportedly tried to acquire Artest last season in exchange for Bonzi Wells. Indiana would probably trade Artest for Shane Battier ($4.9 million) and a throw-in, but West is not likely to make such an offer. But he might propose Brian Cardinal ($5.4 million) and a throw-in.
Plausibility rating (Battier): 3
Plausibility rating (Cardinal): 1

MIAMI HEAT
Indiana has always liked Antoine Walker ($6.88 million), who hasn't fit in all that well with his new team. If the Heat could acquire Artest, they'd have little need for James Posey ($5.9 million).
Plausibility rating (Walker): 4
Plausibility rating (Posey): 3

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
An offer of Bobby Simmons ($8 million) might get the job done, but general manager Larry Harris would first make a lowball offer of Joe Smith ($6.35 million) or a package of Dan Gadzuric ($4.75 million) and Jiri Welsch ($2.18 million).
Plausibility rating (Simmons): 2
Plausibility rating (Smith): 1
Plausibility rating (Gadzuric/Welsch): 2

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Could package a strong defender, Trenton Hassell ($4.35 million), with spare parts Mark Madsen ($2 million) and Nikoloz Tskitishvili ($745,000). A better offer would include Wally Szczerbiak ($10.5 million), but Indiana would have to send back another player.
Plausibility rating (Hassell/Madsen/Tskitishvili): 3
Plausibility rating (Szczerbiak): 2

NEW JERSEY NETS
Rod Thorn is trying to find a power forward, not a small forward, and Artest would have a hard time fitting in with Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter manning the two and three spots. But if the Nets would be willing to move Carter ($13.8 million) to shake up a team in a funk, they could take back Artest and Jeff Foster ($5 million).
Plausibility rating (Carter): 3

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Almost $6.5 million below the salary cap, the Hornets would not have to match salaries. Bostjan Nachbar ($2.5 million), Arvydas Macijauskas ($2.5 million) and Rasual Butler ($1.3 million) are all expendable.
Plausibility rating (Nachbar/Macijauskas/Butler): 3

NEW YORK KNICKS
This is the team Artest would prefer to play for, but the Pacers are loathe to make any deals with former coach and Bird adversary Isiah Thomas, who could offer Jamal Crawford ($6.48 million) or Quentin Richardson ($6.95 million).
Plausibility rating (Crawford or Richardson): 3

ORLANDO MAGIC
For a franchise going nowhere, an infusion of Artest might get the folks in central Florida interested again. Hedo Turkoglu ($5.4 million) and Stacey Augmon ($1.14 million) would help replace some of what Indiana will be losing.
Plausibility rating (Turkoglu/Augmon): 2

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Willie Green could be sent to Indiana in a sign-and-trade deal if the Pacers want to take a chance on his surgically repaired knee, and the Sixers could combine his salary with that of Kyle Korver ($3.63 million), who would be expendable if Artest came aboard.
Plausibility rating (Green/Korver): 4

PHOENIX SUNS
Raja Bell ($4.25 million) and Jim Jackson ($2.64 million) would work, and if Bryan Colangelo was willing to throw in Leandro Barbosa ($930,000), he might just be able to get a deal done.
Plausibility rating (Bell/Jackson/Barbosa): 3

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Ruben Patterson ($6.35 million) will likely be traded somewhere sooner rather than later, but general manager John Nash is wary of bringing in any head cases -- a category in which Artest definitely qualifies.
Plausibility rating (Patterson): 1

SACRAMENTO KINGS
The trade that everyone seems to feel makes most sense would be a straight-up swap for Peja Stojakovic ($7.5 million), but the Kings insist there have been no discussions about trading him. They'd rather move Corliss Williamson ($6 million), Brian Skinner ($4.95 million) and/or Kenny Thomas ($6.5 million).
Plausibility rating (Stojakovic): 4
Plausibility rating (Williamson/Skinner/Thomas): 1

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Another team awash in spare parts. Indiana has always liked Argentine center Fabricio Oberto ($2.35 million), who could be combined with Brent Barry ($4.7 million) to make the salaries match. But could coach Gregg Popovich live with Artest's act? Probably not.
Plausibility rating (Oberto/Barry): 1

SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Vladimir Radmanovic ($3.17 million) has the right to veto any trade, and he'd give up his Bird rights if he accepted one. That leaves Danny Fortson ($6.2 million) and Ronald Murray ($895,000) as the best package the Sonics would likely care to offer.
Plausibility rating (Fortson/Murray): 1

TORONTO RAPTORS
Morris Peterson ($4.55 million) would be a fit for the Pacers, but GM Rob Babcock would first try to move the dreck (Eric Williams, $3.9 million; Aaron Williams, $3.38 million) he received in the Carter trade.
Plausibility rating (Peterson): 4
Plausibility rating (Williams/Williams): 1

UTAH JAZZ
Hard to imagine a worse pairing than Artest and coach Jerry Sloan, and the guess here is that Jazz owner Larry Miller would want no part of Artest -- even if the price was only Greg Ostertag ($4.4 million) or Matt Harpring ($5.02 million) and a throw-in.
Plausibility rating (Ostertag/Harpring): 1

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Still kicking themselves for letting Larry Hughes get away, they'd gladly cut their losses with Antonio Daniels ($5 million). But they'd also have to include a small forward, either Jared Jeffries ($2.43 million) or Jarvis Hayes ($2.01 million).
Plausibility rating (Daniels and Jeffries or Hayes): 3


From yesterday's ESPN Insider

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Could you imagine him and Bowen on the court together shutting down the whole perimeter?

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EXACTLY!!!


Between him, Bowen, Ginobili

The Spurs would have the best perimiter defense in the history of basketball.

Players that would get Behind them would be slowed up enough for Duncan to rotate to.

EASY.

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Originally Posted by T Park

IE, he has extreme respect for Tim Duncan, and more than likely Gregg Popovich.

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Why would he have this respect for Tim Duncan when he didn't have it for Reggie? Why would he have it for Pop? People like Ron Artest don't respect anybody because they don't respect themselves.

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Originally Posted by T Park

EXACTLY!!!


Between him, Bowen, Ginobili

The Spurs would have the best perimiter defense in the history of basketball.

Players that would get Behind them would be slowed up enough for Duncan to rotate to.

EASY.

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This is sounding very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

if TPARK thinks it's a good deal, it must be. TPARK is probably the most passionate Spurs fan here. He only wants what's best for the team.

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:lmao

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Another team awash in spare parts. Indiana has always liked Argentine center Fabricio Oberto ($2.35 million), who could be combined with Brent Barry ($4.7 million) to make the salaries match. But could coach Gregg Popovich live with Artest's act

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YES DO THE TRADE.

What they are once again forgetting, is Artest would understand going in, how he would have to act around Pop, or else the trade aint gettin done.


Plus I think Pop likes these reclamation project throw aways.

Stephen Jackson comes to mind.

how tall is Artest?

If it's possible we could get him it would be stupid not to give him a chance. The opposing guards and small forwards would be constantly shut down. We could hold perimeter based teams to like 60 points.

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Why would he have this respect for Tim Duncan when he didn't have it for Reggie

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Read the article where Ron Artest is practically gushing over Tim Duncan.

Saying DUncan is badass and what not.

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Originally Posted by SA210

how tall is Artest?

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6'7, 260

In otherwords, Bowen height, but add another 70 pounds or so.

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how tall is Artest?

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I think 6'8 6'9, Not TOTALLY sure.


His wingspan is long though.


Helloo long 3! :smokin

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Originally Posted by T Park

Read the article where Ron Artest is practically gushing over Tim Duncan.

Saying DUncan is badass and what not.

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I read the article, thanks.

There is something in it for him to be saying that NOW. He thinks it will help him in some way. I can't explain to you how Ron Artest's tiny little mind works. I still maintain that anyone who does not respect himself (and I don't believe Ron Artest knows what self-respect even is) cannot respect anyone else. The first time he got pissed off here, he would be right back in the old Ron Artest skin. It's not worth the risk.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Read the article where Ron Artest is practically gushing over Tim Duncan.

Saying DUncan is badass and what not.

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Well, also Reggie is a player, not the coach. The Spurs have a history of not putting up with crap. The Coach and the players here. I think he'd understand real quick that we'd only tolerate class.

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Originally Posted by SA210

Well, also Reggie is a player, not the coach. The Spurs have a history of not putting up with crap. The Coach and the players here. I think he'd understand real quick that we'd only tolerate class.

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Tim Duncan is not a coach, either, and his whole argument is based on some hype Ron was spewing about respecting Tim Duncan.

Everyone is saying that Artest would "understand" this and that and behave accordingly.

One fact that people are overlooking is that ...

He's MENTAL.

He would seriously need to be on medication and in counseling to behavior normally over a long period of time. But he thinks taking meds takes the "edge" off his game so he doesn't do it.

Just something to ponder.

Tim's not the coach, But Tim and Pop together with our ball club history speaks more than just Reggie.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Everyone is saying that Artest would "understand" this and that and behave accordingly.

One fact that people are overlooking is that ...

He's MENTAL.

He would seriously need to be on medication and in counseling to behavior normally over a long period of time. But he thinks taking meds takes the "edge" off his game so he doesn't do it.

Just something to ponder.

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Yep! http://tinypic.com/ioeolv.gif

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I like how Tim Duncan plays. I like how he just plays hard.”

You blink. It’s like Batman just mentioned his admiration for Superman.

“I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s ass, and won the damn championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a…he’s a pimp.”

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I show the above quote.


I also dont think Artest respected Reggie, because Reggie talked a big ass game, but never delivered on rings, just because his teams werent that good.

I dont know, there was some things internally where I think Artest might have lost respect for Reggie and what not. we will never know.

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The Spurs have a history of not putting up with crap. The Coach and the players here. I think he'd understand real quick that we'd only tolerate class.

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SPOT ON My friend, spot on.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

6'7, 260

In otherwords, Bowen height, but add another 70 pounds or so.

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really.......

This is reallllly interesting. Wonder if this rumor holds any weight.