Slovenia vs. Turkey

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08-31-2004
SlovenianGuy

Slovenia vs. Turkey

The game was played in Istanbul yesterday.

Turkey 63 : Kerem Tunçeri (6), Hüseyin Demiral (6), Barýþ Ermiþ (4), Ender Arslan (7), Valentin Pastal (0), Serkan Erdoðan (0), Cenk Akyol (7), Fatih Solak (6), Mehmet Okur (10), Ermal Kurtoðlu (11), Rasim Baþak (4)

Slovenia 88 : Goran Jurak (3), Jaka Lakovic (10), Beno Udrih (22), Sani Becirovic (6), Radoslav Nesterovic (10), Saso Ozbolt (8) , Aleksandar Capin (0), Marko Tusek (5), Marko Maravic (10), Ivýca Jurkovic (11), Nebojsa Joksimovic (0), Primoz Brezec (3)

Rebounds:
Mehmet Okur 9
Radoslav Nesterovic 8
Kerem Gönlüm 7
Marko Maravic 7

Assists:
Marko Maravic 5
Kerem Tunçeri 4
Ender Arslan 3
Sani Becirovic 3
Beno Udrih 3

Beno was by far the best player of the game. This was written in slovenian newspapers. (I didn't see the game)
08-31-2004
ducks

thanks
beno is scorer
08-31-2004
Tommy Duncan

radosoft is...
08-31-2004
ducks

better then rose:p
08-31-2004
bigzak25

does beno have nba 3pt range?
08-31-2004
Solid D

I'd be happy with a consistent mid-range jumper from Beno for pick-and-rolls and pick-and-pops.
08-31-2004
KoriEllis

Quote:

does beno have nba 3pt range?

No.

He has an awesome mid-range jumper. He's also not afraid to drive.
08-31-2004
T Park Num 9

Quote:

radosoft is...

to Tommy

what Malik Rose is to Aggie.

Once again Marcus Cryant, answer the question,

who could they have gotten for the same amount of money that is better.

Name me a center making the same amount of money that is better.

:A
08-31-2004
E20

Would a PG have a lesser chance of making it to the NBA if they had an excellent Mid Range Jumper but, didn't have a good 3pt shot?
08-31-2004
Solid D

Quote:

Would a PG have a lesser chance of making it to the NBA if they had an excellent Mid Range Jumper but, didn't have a good 3pt shot?

No, not really, E20. Distributing the ball, entering the offense, taking care of the ball are more important requirements of an NBA PG.

Look at the top 10 PGs currently playing in the NBA.
Jason Kidd shoots 32% from downtown (career). Likewise with Tony Parker. Starbury is a career 31% 3-pt shooter and Steve Francis is a little higher at 34% (29% last season, however). Those are 4 of the top 10 PGs. Need more data?
08-31-2004
E20

Just what I wanted to know thanks, D.
08-31-2004
bigzak25

players with excellent midrange jumpers don't grow on trees....

lots more to consider though. can the pg run the team, play D, limit turnovers? if so, he has just as good a shot as anyone....

with TD on the floor though, the long range bombers are obviously an assett...

i agree that if beno has a solid midrange game, that would be spectacular....comparisons to speedy come to mind....

but i think we need another long range bomber, and i'm looking for a ray of sunshine wherever i can find it....
08-31-2004
Solid D

I looked at this one time before on PGs who have developed into a good 3-pt shooter over the years and one guy proves that a player CAN develop with effort and the proper environment into a more complete player. Special emphasis on the proper environment/team.

Sam Cassell
CAREER SHOOTING STATS

SEASON TEAM G MIN FG FGA FG% FG3 FG3A FG3% FT FTA FT% PTS AVG
1993-94 Hou. 66 1122 162 388 41.8 26 88 29.5 90 107 84.1 440 6.7
1994-95 Hou. 82 1882 253 593 42.7 63 191 33.0 214 254 84.3 783 9.5
1995-96 Hou. 61 1682 289 658 43.9 73 210 34.8 235 285 82.5 886 14.5
1996-97 Pho.-Dal.-N.J. 61 1714 337 783 43.0 81 231 35.1 212 251 84.5 967 15.9
1997-98 N.J. 75 2606 510 1156 44.1 15 80 18.8 436 507 86.0 1471 19.6
1998-99 N.J.-Mil. 8 199 39 93 41.9 2 10 20.0 47 50 94.0 127 15.9
1999-00 Mil. 81 2899 545 1170 46.6 26 90 28.9 390 445 87.6 1506 18.6
2000-01 Mil. 76 2709 537 1132 47.4 30 98 30.6 277 323 85.8 1381 18.2
2001-02 Mil. 74 2605 554 1197 46.3 71 204 34.8 282 328 86.0 1461 19.7
2002-03 Mil. 78 2700 546 1162 47.0 59 163 36.2 385 447 86.1 1536 19.7
2003-04 Min. 81 2838 620 1270 48.8 74 186 39.8 289 331 87.3 1603 19.8
TOTAL 743 22956 4392 9602 45.7 520 1551 33.5 2857 3328 85.8 12161 16.4

MORE STATS
08-31-2004
Tommy Duncan

What if Udrih is just as (or perhaps close to being) as good as Parker?

Good times, as someone who used to post here once said.
08-31-2004
Solid D

Good talk.
08-31-2004
Tommy Duncan

T Fark,

He sucks.

-TD
08-31-2004
WriterNum934

You also can't forget, this kid is 6'4!

In the summer league games, he was walking next to Devin and they looked to be the same height.

I can't wait for the season to start. We stacked and ready to abuse this league!
08-31-2004
T Park Num 9

He sucks.

Thats intelligent.

Good talk John Fin Kerry.
08-31-2004
timvp

It's odd that Solid D brought up Sam Cassell. That is who Beno reminded me of during summer league. He has that automatic midrange shot and is deadly on the top of the key pick-and-roll.

The thing that worries me about Beno is whether he is tough enough for the NBA. He had a lot of small injuries in summer league and had a rep in Europe that he couldn't play through injuries.

If he can survive training camp and preseason without getting banged up, he'll have a good season.
08-31-2004
Tommy Duncan

Sounds like Udrih has some of that trademark Slovenian toughness we have come to know and love.
08-31-2004
grjr

So what you're saying is that Beno is a white Speedy. Is he gonna demand a trade to Golden State so he can be the starter? :lol

jr
08-31-2004
Solid D

In the one Summer League game I watched, timvp, Beno actually reminded me of a quicker and more skilled Kevin Pritchard. I mentioned Sam because he's always had the mid-range game (like a magnet).
08-31-2004
Slomo15

Hey Tommy,

:flipoff

Sincerely,
Slovenia
08-31-2004
WriterNum934

A white Speedy?

Beno can shoot.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

Midrange jumper?

WTF is that? The NBA is not the Olympics. You either have an inside game or you shoot it from the 3 point line. Point guards don't get points from the midrange.

The Spurs need guards that can shoot the 3 to keep the defense from sagging on Tim. This was the problem in the playoffs and the problem with having Avery Johnson and Anthony Carter as a point guard.

Beno sucks.
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

Quote:

You either have an inside game or you shoot it from the 3 point line. Point guards don't get points from the midrange.

That's news to me.

Sincerely,

Speedy Claxton
08-31-2004
timvp

Quote:

Midrange jumper?

WTF is that?

Sequ has watched too many And 1 mix tapes.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

Mrs Chumpdumber,

Where is Speedy now?

:blah
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

Quote:

Where is Speedy now?

Getting points from the midrange.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

Wrong, he is at home early, wishing he was playing on a playoff team, wishing that his azz could shoot the 3 ball.

If midrange is the shot of choice, then why in the **** is Avery not a Spur any longer?

:Q

Because David and Tim were tired of his man hanging on their jock straps when they tried to do something.

Beno fills the same Avery role.

The Spurs need shooters.
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

Your memory is as short as....well....

If you are going to say Speedy was an ineffective backup for the Spurs whgen he played, please go ahead and cement your reputation further.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

I was on the wagon to keep Speedy. Dude was awesome, but hey there Ms know it all...... The Spurs were bailed out by STEVE KERR's and STEPHEN JACKSON's threes, both in Dallas and New Jersey.....

Do you recall that oh great one?

All I am saying is that if Beno can't shoot the 3, then he is not going to be effective as a Spur. Do you want to bet on it?

:blah
08-31-2004
Solid D

Quote:

I was on the wagon to keep Speedy

Liquid and chemical dependency?
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

Quote:

The Spurs were bailed out by STEVE KERR's and STEPHEN JACKSON's threes, both in Dallas and New Jersey.

And Speedy scored from midrange.

If he couldn't hit the three, why did you want to keep him?

Make up your mind.
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

[Wrong thread]
08-31-2004
Solid D

Quote:

If he couldn't hit the three, why did you want to keep him?

Sequ got :served
08-31-2004
T Park Num 9

When he does Solid D, he usually comes back with the all intelligent "**** You" or "Eat shit" or the dropping the pants ICON.

Of course our favorite phrase is Manu = Manure, but the o brilliant small one, has yet to comment on Manu.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

:makemyday
08-31-2004
Solid D

Actually, I just think it's great and somewhat surprising, Sequ, that you have cared enough to post several times in a thread entitled:

Slovenia vs. Turkey

8)
08-31-2004
smeagol

Quote:

Beno sucks.

Sequ, how many Beno games have you seen?
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

Half a game while he was injured.

That's how his laserlike insight on Manu was formed as well.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

Yeah, we'll see homers..........

I just ain't inclined to lick Pop's balls on every move he makes like some of youse.

I can name at least 6 mistakes he made with 25 million dollars. That's enough to last a life time.

Look tacos, the Spurs finished 2nd in the Midwest and got sent home packing in the second round... 4 straight.

If you homer asses want to lick the balls of a coach and gm that can't validate a fucking championship and let the Eastern Conference take one, then you can have Beno.

The main problem of the Spurs last year was the BACKUP POINT GUARD and now we got... low and behold..............

BENO!

I can't help it that I have the expectations of a champion... you Popabeyitches are buying into that Body Solution Zit medicine that he is selling.

The Spurs still have......

Rasho and no backup point guard.....

The 2 mistakes of 2003.

Beno blows.
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

One wonders what Sequ thinks Brent Barry does in the NBA.
08-31-2004
SequSpur

I assume Manu is going to play 48 minutes? Dude can't even stay out there for 25 without getting sent to the corner for a quick Pop timeout session.

Open the can chumpdumm
08-31-2004
smeagol

Quote:

Look tacos, the Spurs finished 2nd in the Midwest and got sent home packing in the second round... 4 straight

There you go again with the taco name-calling. What does it mean?

I'm not from SA. Is this the way people refer to each other there?

:Q
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

One wonders what Sequ thinks Barry and Devin Brown do in the NBA....
08-31-2004
SequSpur

Devin Brown?

I like Devin, but damn, I ain't betting my money on him just yet, he is still developing.....

You need to go back and read Sequ takes....

We need NBA players to win without David Robinson.

Rasho is not going to cut it... no way, no how... Yeah, we win the west and go up against Miami in the finals and Shaq goes for 70 percent from the field again and we get swept...

Then, Parker gets toxic shock syndrome again and we go to Devin, Manu and Brent?

I would love to see Pop on the sideline for that one, that will be entertaining in itself.

PS: I am not the one that says Manu can't play more minutes.... Popadummy did. He thinks he plays with to much energy and he gets worn out easy... blah blah blah.....

Insert Hedo... Pops boyfriend... So now we have Brent... now who is going to backup up Tony? Wait, I thought Brent was... oh... now we have Devin who is not a point guard, who is not an excellent 3 point shooter...wait... wasn't that the problem of the nightmare of 2004??? ****... now we are back to square one....

Get a backup POINT GUARD... please.....................

While your at it, please turn Rasho into the local fire station...
08-31-2004
ChumpDumper

One wonders if Sequ can comprehend the concept of playing more than one position in the course of one NBA game.

One also wonders if Sequ can understand the concept of a three guard rotation.
08-31-2004
Spurminator

Two guard positions, 96 minutes per game

Parker: 34 minutes
Manu: 30 minutes
Barry: 24 minutes
Beno/Brown 8 minutes

Problem solved.

:next3
08-31-2004
Solid D

Once a month, Sequ becomes a Puffy Taco and he gets a little irritable.
09-01-2004
ducks

Miami in the finals and Shaq goes for 70 percent from the field again and we get swept...

lets not get ahead of ourselves
heat have to get past pistons and pacers
and they lost 3 players and got shaq
that team will need time to gel

and shaq has not won a ring with a mvp candiate to play with
and wade is not there yet dude
09-01-2004
ChumpDumper

Shaq scored more against Detroit.
09-01-2004
Spurminator

Miami = TeamUSA^2
09-01-2004
SequSpur

Paper lineups don't win shit. Fouls, injuries, off nights, etc. etc.. It's simple. As long as Rasho is the starting center for San Antonio, the Spurs will NEVER win another championship. Rasho has NO game. NO skills. and NO BALLS. This lack of talent puts more pressure on the young ones like Brown and Beno... and heck.. even Parker..... And Tim? Midrange Beno and Devin's defender will be all over him.... When Tim goes out the Spurs are dead in the water.... That's sad... just think of what 25 million could of had.... Rasho?

Sad situation....
09-01-2004
Spurminator

Enough with the guards discussion... back to the hackneyed fake rants. [/sequ]
09-01-2004
ChumpDumper

Have you called the Spurs and bitched this week? Seems to really have worked so far!

Get back to me when you can divide 96 by 3 or 4.
09-01-2004
Solid D

Interesting write-up comments regarding the Slovenia v. Turkey game:
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At the other hand Slovenia had no problem to defeat an unorganized Turkey.Turkish team was on the court with the same starting line up but Rasim Basak who was not even in the game roster yesterday.This time Cevher Ozer was out and he was on the court.Turkey started the game well and took the lead with Mehmet Okur who scored from inside but Slovenia responded with tough center Rasho Nesterovic to tie the game.Then Slovenia took the lead with lefty Beno Udrih in the fifth minute of the first period and never let Turkey tie the game.Turkish team resisted with Mehmet Okur,Baris Ermis and Kerem Gonlum but Slovenia responded again and again inspite of the turnovers so coach Alec Papin called a time out in the minutes that Turkey started playing tough defence.Turkey wasted a chance just after an offensive rebound and Slovenia led the first quarter 16-20.Turkey scored with Mehmet Okur and Ermal Kurtoglu who had a good off the bench performance but Slovenia forced Turkey to turnovers with full court press and opened the gap up to 7 with Beno Udrih who scored most of his baskets with mid range shots using the screens of Maravic and Nestorovic.Turkey started playing zone defence to reduce the gap so Slovenia coach Papic called another time out.After that Saso Ozbold sinked a triple,Kerem Tunceri wasted a chance and Slovenia led the first half by 8 34-42.Turkey grabbed 11 offensive rebounds in the first half but wasted all of them with a 12/37 FG performance as Slovenia played with 16/25.Turkey was on the court with Ender Arslan,Cenk Akyol,Rasim Basak,Kerem Gonlum and Mehmet Okur as Slovenia started with Beno Udrih,Jaka Lakovic,Marko Maravic,Marko Tusek and Rasho Nesterovic.In the beginning of the second half Turkey could not sink any of the outside shots against tough Slovenia defence and a huge 15-0 serie mostly scored by Beno Udrih who was definitely man of the match.Then Tanjevic called Mehmet Okur and Kerem Gonlum to the bench,Huseyin Demiral and Ermal Kurtoglu who broke Slovenia's serie with a hook shot stepped in.But Turkey struggled on defence and kept playing the zone that was crushed by Beno Udrih and Jaka Lakovic.Serkan Erdogan probably the only sharp shooter to damage Slovenia's zone defence picked an injury and taken to the hospital who will have to be sidelined for a week.Huseyin Demiral's post move added 2 points to the score sheet but Slovenia led the third quarter 45-71.In the last period Turkey started with full court press but nothing worked out especially when Ender Arslan got out of the control and made terrible decisions.Ermal Kurtoglu and Mehmet Okur were fouled out as a three pointer reduced the gap down to 20 points but Ivica Jurkovic added a few more points so Slovenia won the game by 25.

www.eurobasket.com/tur/tur.asp
09-01-2004
bigzak25

Quote:

just think of what 25 million could of had.... Rasho?

why don't you just tell us what you would have done differently instead of bitching and moaning....

Rasho leaves alot to be desired, no doubt (aggresiveness, freethrow shooting, lack of offense)...but our frontline is enough to get the job done....

your short on patience man.......nice GW impersonation though...you got spunk.:smokin2