I haven't seen the whole thing, but I'll catch the replay later.
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I haven't seen the whole thing, but I'll catch the replay later.
Here you go, The Bush Campaign has set the record straight on many of the issues Kerry lied about tonight...
http://www.georgewbush.com/debatefac...010:37:32%20PM
I didn't watch..but I saw them talking about the nuclear weapons deal..and man...Bush seemed confused like a motherfucker when it was his turn to retort.
He was like stumbling his words.
Obviously, you've never seen the President speak publicly before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
Hell, Duff ain't ever voted!
First off, I'm a Bush supporter. Kerry did a good job as far as debates go and served himself well. He still can't defend his flip flopping and actually contradicted himself a few times. Bush did ok. Bush could have knocked his ass out tonight but is not skilled enough to do so.
Bush could have knocked his ass out tonight but is not skilled enough to do so.
So then how could he have done so, if he's not skilled enough.
It's pretty easy to not vote when you're a communist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hook Dem
ex,
For starters, Kerry railed for 5 minutes on the Iraq war being the wrong decision to make. Then when he was asked point blank if the war was a mistake, he said no. Bush shoulda jumped on that.
Also, when Kerry went on about the 87 billion, Bush should have been all over him saying "hey, that money was for things like body armor, you voted against, then sit here and give us this sob story about troops not having armor."
I also think Bush should have said "you sit here and say that we should have handled Iraq with the help of the world, then sit here and say unilateral talks with NK are the way to go."
I thought it was brilliant bringing China into the NK equation, unfortunately 90% of the American public doesn't have enough of a world view to realize it.
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Originally Posted by exstatic
:lol
You should be a politician
Kerry did well, but Bush did what he needed to do. This was Kerry's one big opportunity to change this race, which he didn't.
I should take umbrage to that. :lolQuote:
You should be a politician
MB - I think it doesn't help the incumbent to tread water. He should be getting what wide receivers call "separation", and he failed to do so, making himself look about the same as Kerry.
I think it was pretty much a draw. Which in my opinion is a bad thing. Kerry really needed to make a splash, and I don't think he did.
That said, I expect the polls to tighten slightly. Dunno why, just "feel" that it will.
They'll remember the 3rd debate, not the first...Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbucket
AHF - I disagree. If you're behind in the polls, and you get a draw, it's almost like a narrow win. You've proven to be at least the political stature equal of the incumbent. I do agree that this will tighten the polls, however.
Bush has separation. He only needs to run out the clock at this point. Kerry needed to win this decisively. The problem is, all of his attacks are undermined by something he said yesterday, or the day before.
Damn, ex, did Nbadanallah possess you or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Why, Yoni? Do you think that being ahead in the polls, and managing only a tie helps Dubyah?
I guess we'll have to check the poll bounce, and see what the national feel is.
ex,
My stance is that this was supposedly Bush's strength, and all the national polls say national defense, etc. is the single most important issue in this election.
At the end of the day, you have to ask about this debate is if Kerry really proved that Bush was wrong, and I don't think he did that.
I think it's all irrelevant...Bush has this election sewn up. No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
10 points or better...mark my words.
And, I don't think the debate was a tie. I think Kerry kicked ass on symbolism and presence and the President kicked ass on substance. Problem is, the public knows Kerry is a polished, haughty, Yale grad with a penchant for talking about his 4 months in 'nam and how worldly he is. However, the public equally knows that President Bush says what he means and means what he says.
Kerry's fucked.
I agree Kerry is fucked, however IMO he made some great points on the fact that we were not prepared for war, i.e body Armor, and a lot of other things, however no one mention that Congress had refused to purchase a lot of the stuff the Military needed during the Clinton Years as well as under Bush 1.
The "Planning" was Get to Bagdad fast without a lot of dead bodies. "Mission Accomplished.
NOW What Boss?
I don't know why they're riding Bush on that "mission accomplished" shit. He never said it. It was on a banner on the aircraft carrier.
Ok I just finished watching it. I think Bush really seemed disinterested at times and more like "whatever lets get it over with." I think he did well enough not to lose any points. Bush had every chance to hammer down Kerry but I think he's messing with him like a cat does with a mouse.
I think Kerry had to do better than Bush and he did.
If you didn't know who was president, you'd have thought Kerry was the president.
The podium is simply not Bush's best asset.