Please tell me that some Suns fans hacked ESPN.com and posted this, because otherwise I'm going to gouge out my eyes with a mellon-ball scooper.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2422255
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Please tell me that some Suns fans hacked ESPN.com and posted this, because otherwise I'm going to gouge out my eyes with a mellon-ball scooper.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2422255
That surprises me. Nash didn't even make my radar this year as far as MVP goes.
I saw Kobe or Lebron getting it.
Steve Nash deserves it more this year than he did last year - he really showed his value in making players who were mediocre or role players at best (Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, James Jones) look so good, and in the way the Phoenix Suns persevered despite losing Amare and Thonmas. They won't win a championship without Amare and/or Kurt Thomas, but Nash is a stronger candidate than ever before for regular season MVP. Last year I was of the belief that it should have gone to O'Neal.
Nash's main contender is Billups, IMO, who did as much for his team as Nash but led his team to a better record. Dirk put up a great stat line, but has a lot more help. Of the Spurs, Parker is the most deserving of consideration, he carried the team this year.
I'm hesitant to believe that report, I realize that the winner is usually leaked before the announcement is made, but this seems way too early.
For some reason I was under the impression that the ballots were sealed and wouldn't even be counted until just before the Conference finals were to begin.
it better be Dirk or I'm vBookie vFucked.
He deserved it as much as the other guys.
No way Nash deserves to be a two time MVP
this was posted in the nba forum hours ago
this better be true, i got my vmoneys on nash!
If you give the award to Nash last year, than he most certainly deserves it this year. He led the team to the division title without amare, who many consider the best talent on the team. On top of that you add 3 new starters and a totally revamped bench, and they don't miss a beat. Give him some credit, he's taken a group of young no name players and still finished with 54 wins. The only other players who I would consider in the mix are Billups and Dirk, but both those guys have much better surrounding talent and those teams have been together longer. Nash makes everyone around him better and deserves to be the MVP. Yes, I am a Spurs fan but I can respect what he did this year and last.
Nash deserves it.
Take him off that team, and have a healthy Stoudamire on it, and they do not make the playoffs, much less win the division.
take kobe off the lakers they do not make the playoffs
take james off the cavs they do not win the playoffs
larry hughes was hurt to much to
Out of those guys, Nash got his team to win the division and not just make the playoffs.
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If you give the award to Nash last year, than he most certainly deserves it this year. He led the team to the division title without amare, who many consider the best talent on the team. On top of that you add 3 new starters and a totally revamped bench, and they don't miss a beat. Give him some credit, he's taken a group of young no name players and still finished with 54 wins. Nash makes everyone around him better and deserves to be the MVP. Yes, I am a Spurs fan but I can respect what he did this year and last.
However, sucks for Kobe. The MVP is an individual award and Kobe deserved it this year too.
Im not a Kobe fan at all, but he and LBJ both should be ahead of Nash in the MVP voting. But oh well, I could care less.
What a joke. He will be the only back-to-back MVP who couldn't get his team to the Finals.
mvp has lost all its credibility now
John Stockton got one first place MVP vote in his entire career, and had a number of seasons as good as Nash has had. Stockton also actually played defense. MVP has become a joke.
Congrats to Nash for a well-deserved honor (and I'm not writing this in blue).
It is a done deal. Dan Patrick just announced that Nash is the MVP and Nash will be on the show in a few minutes.
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Stockton also had Malone on his team and several of the greatest players in the history of the NBA to compete with for the award.
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Who were these other players?
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Uh oh, Jimcs50 posted it was a done deal.
It is sure to go to someone else now.
Now Nash knows who to blame when he doesn't win.
Who doesn't belong on this listQuote:
Originally Posted by SirChaz
Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Moses Malone, Steve Nash.
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Originally Posted by kris
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Robinson
Malone
Olajuwon
Drexler
Barkley
Duncan, Kobe, KG, AI, Lebron, Nowitski will all be considered some of the greatest when all is said and done; AND each has more value RIGHT NOW than Nash - Nash & that system fit perfectly, so he puts up sick numbers. He was never a candidate in Dallas; despite a team that won as much or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirChaz
Stockton is the perfect example of why this award has changed so much.
AI - Kidd - Nash; only Duncan and KG have broken the trend of that year's "trendy" guard who is on the team with the big turnaround who wins the award.
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Is there a question here?
List of what?
American born players?
Duncan and Nash.
Frickin b2b MVP's dumbass :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by SirChaz
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Everyone has different criteria I guess.
Stockton is a bad example for comparison because he played with Karl Malone every year.
I don't know that Nash would get my vote if I had one but he is clearly worthy of consideration this season.
Bill Simmons said in his chat that Stockton should have grown out his hair and stopped playing defense.
Dan Patrick is reporting that Nash has won and the voting wasn't even close.
Surprising. I figured if Nash had won that he'd of edged it out by a vote or two.
Good for him though. The Suns play like the team that won all of 28 games a few years back when he's not in the lineup.
Wuh. Eek. Nash had an all-star alongside him this year, and two last year. While we are on the subject of teammates, how do the Suns players match up with Thurl Bailey and Blue Edwards talent-wise? Besides, how did Karl Malone make Stockton a better defender?Quote:
Originally Posted by SirChaz
I thought Nash deserved it last year because there was little competition, but given the other legitimate candidates in this year's pool I'm a little surprised he won again.
I sort of agree with how Bill Simmons defined the MVP... when you look back on the 2005-2006 Regular Season, which player do you think of first? And I think he's right to suggest it's Kobe or Lebron, not Nash.
My MVP is still Dirk, because I think he was every bit as spectacular (season-long) as Lebron and Kobe, though he may not have had as many standout performances... so he was somewhat overlooked. Nash just didn't seem to have the kind of year those three guys had.
That said, you have to give him credit for keeping the Suns among the elite despite their injuries and player turnover. "Steve Nash: Two Time MVP" doesn't sound right to me either, but it's not the greatest crime in sports history...
Dirk lost Finley and had injuries to key players all year, yet his scoring went up a only half a point while every other stat went down. I'm missing the spectacularness here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
The lakers barely made the playoffs, how do you give the MVP to a guy who's team almost misses the playoffs 2 years in a row versus a guy who leads his team to back to back division titles while returning 1 other starter besides himself? Nash has done more with less then kobe has, trust me put nash on the lakers and they win that division.
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This is part of it also. They lost an All-Star performer and still won the division and 50+ games. Mostly because of Nash.
Nash has been the catalyst for the best offensive team in the league for about 5 years now.
If it was the best player award then the defensive argument would mean more to me. The problem I have with the Stockton argument is he had one player (an MVP candidate) that recieved most of his assists.
To me the MVP is the player that is most valuable to their team's success in a given season.
Some people think it should be someone other than Nash and they have good points. I don't think we should say that Nash is not a candidate because he won last year.
Here's another thing to think about, how many players had the best year of their careers this year for the suns? Marion, Bell, Diaw, Barbosa, House, James Jones! how many players had career years for the lakers? smush parker? Same thing with the mavs. Do Dirk and Kobe make the players around them better? Not the way Steve Nash does! Just look at that list of suns, how many people thought diaw or james jones were good players? nobody, that is until they played with steve nash.
Spectacular isn't in numbers. Besides, the Mavs' scoring as a whole went down by 6 points per game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Dallas as a team was only a couple of games back of the Pistons and the Spurs, and of the three teams, Dirk had the least talented supporting cast. The Mavs' success depended on Dirk every bit as much as the Cavs depended on Lebron and the Lakers depended on Kobe, and they ended up 10-15 games better than both of those teams. Even if you were going to argue that Dirk had a better supporting cast, were they 10 games better?
Where would a team led by Jerry Stackhouse and Jason Terry end up in the standings? It's not like either of those guys has had much success on their own.
I haven't seen anyone suggest that Nash shouldn't be a candidate for MVP, this year or last year. He's a great player, and certainly one of the best at his position in the league. I won't speak for everyone else, but here's why it bothers me: People voted for him this year saying he did a better job with less so he must deserve it since he won it last year, as though that's any justification, because he didn't deserve it last year either, but people voted for him because the Suns won the most games in the league. By that rationale, those same people should have voted for Billups or Parker. They didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirChaz
I've read people further defending it by saying he scored more points this year. Well, duh, he lost a Amare, Joe Johnson and Q Richardson. Shouldn't he have picked up the scoring more simply because there were more shots to take? That knife cuts both ways. He managed to snare almost one of Amare's nine rebounds that were available per game. Should we give DPOY, too?
Also Nash didn't have the freedom he does now when he played in Dallas. Just watch some of the games when he was still with them and being forced to run pick n' rolls and play in isolation. Plus there he also had dirk and finley who excel in isolation dependent offenses. With the Suns he is the offense. None of those players, with the exception of Marion, can really score one on one. Nash puts them in a position to score and that's what makes everyone of his teammates better. He deserves the MVP.
I was expecting LeBron or Kobe. Nash has already proven that he can take his team to the playoffs.
I think it should have been Dirk just by process of elimination, Nash should not get b2b MVPs
Nash shouldn't have gotten this award. By this process of making teams better James Posey should've gotten the award for the Grizzlies in 2003-2004 by taking a 28 win team to 50 wins. This is insane and bullshit. Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, Brand, Billups, and Wade are more deserving of this award.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say he deserves the MVP this year because he had a better year than last year, then turn around and say back-2-back MVPs is not a reason to vote against him this year.
Phoenix is in a gimmick system that generates stats. You can't tell me they wouldn't have a better chance at a championship if they had Billups instead of Nash at the point.
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Scratch Wade and I agree completely.
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It's not like Nash had scrubs. Shawn Marion is an all-star.. averaging 22 and 12...Quote:
Nash's main contender is Billups, IMO, who did as much for his team as Nash but led his team to a better record. Dirk put up a great stat line, but has a lot more help. Of the Spurs, Parker is the most deserving of consideration, he carried the team this year.
who else? do the suns play 2 on 2? diaw, house, james jones, raja bell are all scrubs on any other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by JHoLove
Spurminator, you think dirk doesn't have the same kind of talent? Dallas has the 2nd largest payroll in the nba, there's alot of talent there it's just bad talent. Stackhouse, KVH, Dampier have talent, they just suck at playing team basketball. Detroit has the least amount of "talent" oh those 3, after the 5 starter who do they have? lindsey hunter? Mcdyess? Also PHX by the way is 22nd in payroll. After Nash and Marion who do they have?
Raja Bell is not a scrub. He had his breakout year in Utah last year. Diaw is inspired by playing on any other team than Atlanta.
People say "Nash was MVP last year. He's even better this year. Ergo, he must be MVP this year."Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
Then when you point out giving Nash B2B MVPs is a colossal cosmic joke, the same people say: "You can't take his winning MVP last year into consideration for this year."
Jones is averaging roughly what he did in Indy. I believe he is actually shooting a lower percentage in PHX.
How did Joe Johnson fare without Nash this year? He must've gotten signifigantly worse by playing without Nash right?
Giving Garnett one MVP is a colossal cosmic joke. An MVP does need talent around him to win, he finds a way to do it even when boris diaw is his starting center.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Joe Johnson scoring went up because he shot more, but he went from 47% in 3s to 35% so yeah he didn't have the same kind of year. James jones went from 5ppg to 9.3ppg so he just about doubled what he did in Indy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
Steve Nash deserves the MVP.
Quit hating people.
Boris Diaw >>>>> Michael Olowokandi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slinkyman
Comparing Nash to Garnett is not a winning tack. You know it's weak when it can cause even someone like me to defend KG.
Trust me, put Kandi man on the suns and he'll look like an all star. Who had even heard of Boris Diaw before this season? who had heard of Joe Johnson before last season? Nash is making more guys rich and famous then American Idol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Nash >>>> Simon
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James Jones scoring went up because he shot more, but he went from 40% in 3s to 39% so yeah he didn't have the same kind of year. And he averaged 6 more MPG this year than last...
Welcome to Theater of the Absurd.Quote:
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Um, people who followed the NBA. Diaw's stats this year are as much a product of the Suns unorthodox system as due to Nash. And as for Joe Johnson:Quote:
Who had even heard of Boris Diaw before this season? who had heard of Joe Johnson before last season?
03-04 16.7/4.7/4.4 43% FGP
04-05 17.1/5.1/3.5 46% FGP (with Nash)
05-06 20.2/4.1/6.5 45% FGP
Yeah, Nash really made him.
No, no and no, Shoog. Just look at the stats that favor Nash, like 3 pt shooting percentage, and if a player averages more PPG this year than last on a different team. Things like minutes, shots taken and the gimmick O should not be brought up at all...
Boris Diaw has more talent than KG's starting center. You pretty much shot your own argument in the foot. By the way, who is KG's Shawn Marion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slinkyman
Congratulations to Steve Nash. I think he's much deserving of the MVP again. I was one of the people that thought the Suns' free agent acquisitions were a joke (considering the talent they lost) and when Amare went down I wrote the Suns off as a borderline playoff team. Steve Nash earned my respect this year. I was on the "anti-Nash" bandwagon last year but he makes it all work no matter who they throw on the floor with him.
He's a very efficient player that shoots a high percentage in all areas (FG%, 3Pt, Ft, whatever), the best playmaker in the game today, and he's clutch. There's no doubt he's the leader of that team...people can talk about Shawn "disappearing act" Marion until they're blue in the face. People can talk about the "system" all they want...#13 makes it all go.
You know, what really impresses me is when Nash does that "turn water into wine" trick of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slinkyman
who else? do the suns play 2 on 2? diaw, house, james jones, raja bell are all scrubs on any other team.
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Spurminator, you think dirk doesn't have the same kind of talent? Dallas has the 2nd largest payroll in the nba, there's alot of talent there it's just bad talent. Stackhouse, KVH, Dampier have talent, they just suck at playing team basketball. Detroit has the least amount of "talent" oh those 3, after the 5 starter who do they have? lindsey hunter? Mcdyess? Also PHX by the way is 22nd in payroll. After Nash and Marion who do they have
What does pay roll have to do with being the MVP? Charlotte has the lowest pay-roll should they have the MVP? I think LeBron or Dirk deserved it more this year. I think the assist category is very glorified.
let the sunsfans n nash celebrate, cose td n the spurs are goin to abuse them in the WCF
He doesn't do that, he makes the water around him better.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
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I don't think he deserves this award this year. Last year was acceptable. But giving the National Basketball Association's Most Valuable Player award 2x in a row to a player who is arguably the worst defender at his position is a farse.
It speaks volumes of the state of the NBA today.
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
If Nash really won it, then good for him.
tony parker, ginobili, and duncan, will be the first ever triad co-finals mvps
props to nash...he deserves it!
now making a huge push as the second greatest canadian athlete of all time
Nah. Nash is better than Lennox Lewis. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by inagra
This is absolutely ridiculous. Nash is an amazing team player, but this isn't the Who Makes his Team-mates the best award. This is an indivual award. I used to think that Nash deserved to win MVP this season, but not anymore because:
1) How can you have an MVP who doesn't play a lick of defense?
2) How can you say he makes team-mates better, when he already had good players around him? Marion and Raja Bell aren't exactly scrubs.
3) The run and gun style the Suns play in makes Nash appear better than he is.
4) If Nash was so valuable...how come the Mavs are doing completely fine without him?
5) Is Nash really that good that he deserves to be in the company of players like MJ and Duncan who've won back to back MVP awards?
Kobe, Dirk, Lebron should have easily been considered ahead of Nash.
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1) how can you have an MVP who doesn't play a lick of defense? then you name too players who don't play a lick of defense, Dirk and Lebron. :rolleyes Honestly if any player deserves the MVP other then nash it would be Kobe, but how can you honestly give the MVP award to a player who's team barely made the playoffs and will be sitting at home watching the playoffs on tv after next week?
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Um, Dirk and Lebron both play a lot more defense than Steve Nash ever has. Moreover, they both have better all around games than Nash. They can block shots, get the steal, etc....and it can be argued that they also make their team-mates better.
Personally, I think Kobe or Dirk should have gotten it. If Kobe had Shawn Marion and Boris Diaw and Raja Bell playing next to him...that team could have won 50 games also.
Horrible. It was bad enough they gave it to him last year. This year there are probably 4 better candidates: Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, shit even Arenas is a better player.
NBA pimping their show team. Nash is rewarded for playing in a system that doesn't care about defense, and tries to get a shot up as fast as possible. Please, God, let Phoenix lose in the first round and be exposed, AGAIN. Maybe people will "get it" then and stop seeing them as a good team.
I say this one more time- Multiple MVP winners for guards:Quote:
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Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Steve Nash
I'm hating because it's not like last year when he was clearly on the best team in the league after starting the previous season with 29 wins. The team was banged up, and any passer could've gotten 50, but he just happened to win 62.
That's not the case this year. Lebron's team won 50 games for the first time since 1992-93 and all he did was average 31, 7, and 7.
Chauncey Billups increased his assists by 3 a game, his scoring by 2 game to give him similar numbers to Nash. But while Stevie's team lost 8 games more than 2004-05, Billups' team won 10 more for a franchise mark. Applying the logic of Steve Nash winning last season, he should be in serious consideration. He has a better assist-to-turnover ratio than Nash.
Kobe Bryant's team won 11 more games than in 2004-05. His scoring season is top-8 all-time, and only Rick Barry in the top 10 joins Kobe Bryant without a Most Valuable Player award. He scored the most points in a game since Wilt's 100. He made people think 100 was breakable. When people look back at this season, they will think about that game. And somehow Phil Jackson is credited for the 45-37 season. His scoring average only bested his career high by 5 points a game.
Somehow Avery Johnson got all of Dirk Nowitizki's mojo.
On top of the fact that John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Maurice Cheeks, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson - all of who won 55-60 games and the assist title - don't have an MVP.
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Exactly! Man, I didn't think I'd be so miffed about this. I know it's just an award, and no Spur player was being seriously considered, but this is just pathetic.
Yes, 2005-2006 will be remembered forever as the Era of Steve Nash Dominance. :lmao
All this talk about Nash making his teammates better takes away some of the credit that should go to the GM, coach and the players themselves. The system they run in Phoenix is absolutely perfect for Nash's talents, as they rely on him almost exclusively to create shots for teammates. The coaches deserve a lot of credit for crafting such a good scheme.
Also the GM did a great job surrounding Nash with 3 point shooters, and absolutely stole Diaw from Atlanta. Just because Atlanta had no clue what to do with Boris doesn't mean Nash is the only one to credit for his success.
I just think that Phoenix is a well-oiled machine (on the offensive side anyway) and that while Nash is clearly a critical cog, the talk about how little help he has is ridiculous. His whole system is designed to help.
Compare all this with what Kobe has, as the biggest supporting talent on his team (Odom) doesn't really fit. Odom really needs to control the ball to be effective, just as Kobe does, so this creates problems. They're starting to play well now, but it took about a year and a half just to get comfortable with each other.
As for making teammates better, well just glancing at the rest of the roster and realizing that this is somehow a playoff team will tell you all you need to know about that. I mean Smush Parker is their starting PG, and he doesn't even look half bad playing with Kobe. Smush Parker! :)
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People will forever argue: Shaquille O'Neal (1 MVP, BTW) or Steve Nash?
man i hope someone hacked in to it
As much of a spurs fan i am, I have to say this. I think that dirk should get this award cause he has more of an all around game. if he develops a post game the mvp is his for sure. Its hurting me to say this
Well deserved by Nash. I admit I thought without Amare the man child the Suns were doomed but Nash proved me and a lot of other people wrong.
He's a badass. Just admit it, and move on.
I'm buying the "lost amare, johnson ect" argument. Dirk Nowitki lost Steve Nash and Michael Finley, yet lead his team with the same conistent record. Nash loses 1 player and drops 10 games.
What bugs me about Steve Nash winning the MVP is that during big matchups during the regular season, Nash was OUTPLAYED head to head against other top point guards during the season. Jason Kidd dominated him. Chauncey Billups dominated him. Tony Parker dominated him. And this consistenly happened during the season.
I'm surprised that the voters didn't take this into account.
look what that one player did vs sa in the conference finals last year. they lost, and the spurs let him get his to an extent, but he dominated. amare at full strength is a force, almost moreso than anyone in the league. he even developed a mid range game, seemingly only in the playoffs. amare = scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmes_Fans
I feel your pain. Hey man I like Nowitzki and he's a badass OTHER THAN his personality which doesn't lend itself well to the team concept, IN MY OPINION. Avery Johnson seems to have reeled that in a bit and turned the MAVS more into a TEAM.
But Dirk, he's a great player, without doubt.
I mean seriously, you all don't think that Jason Kidd (even if he is past his *prime*) on the Phoenix Suns team in place of Nash, doesn't do as well or even better? Plus, Kidd plays much better defense than Nash, and rebounds better as well!
I honestly think that if you take any top tier point guard (besides Starbury!) and place him on this current Phoenix Suns team, that you won't see much of a difference record wise. I'm not saying that Nash doesn't *deserve* to win the MVP. But there are definitely better players in the league, and even at the point guard position.
The Suns have a title in their near future. I have no doubt of that. Amare Stoudemire is ....I don't man....yeah...scarey is the right word.Quote:
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I hate the American sports media (especially ESPN), but I have enough faith in them to believe that they couldn't be stupid enough to all vote for Nash. So here's what I think happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Nash garnered more overall points than any other player because people ended up being split over LeBron, Dirk, and Kobe. Just like what Perot did for Clinton and what Nader did for Bush, those three did for Nash. I bet he was second place on everyone's ballot. They were trying to throw him a bone even though no one thought he should be MVP, or maybe they thought he had the second-best season, or whatever. On the other hand, most ballots had one of the other three legitimate candidates as numbers 1, 3 and 4.
Players get 10 points for every first place vote, 7 points for second, 5 points for third, 3 points for fourth and 1 point for fifth. So let's say there are ten ballots (although the number isn't important since it's the proportions that matter). Consider the following hypothetical. Let's say that each of LeBron, Dirk and Kobe get 3 first place votes, with the tenth going to Nash. Let's also say Nash was second on the other nine ballots. Furthermore, let's say LeBron, Dirk and Kobe were third and fourth on three ballots each, and Billups was fifth on every ballot. That tenth ballot can be randomly assigned after first-place. Here are the ballots, and then the point totals:
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: LeBron 2: Nash 3: Dirk 4: Kobe 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Dirk 2: Nash 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Kobe 2: Nash 3: LeBron 4: Dirk 5: Billups
1: Nash 2: Dirk 3: Kobe 4: LeBron 5: Billups
Billups: 10
LeBron: 57
Kobe: 59
Dirk: 61
Nash: 70
So while only 10% of the voters thought Nash should have been the MVP, he still won because he garnered enough points off of being haphazardly ranked second-best on everyone's ballot.
Now I know this is all just wide speculation and probably not very accurate, but it's the only rational explanation for how this turd monkey could have repeated as MVP.
Either that, or the voters all felt sorry for him after he was made the butt of about 5000 tasteless visual jokes in the Nash picture thread :)
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Nash is a queer.
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No, your theory on that is entirely feasible. We will see when they show the acutal voting tally. A similar instance happened in 1990, when Magic Johnson edged Charles Barkley for the MVP. Charles had more 1st place votes, but was displaced by a lot of second place votes by other post/power players like Karl Malone. Magic had very few 1st place votes, but he did have a lot of second place votes, and ended up winning the MVP. I think what might have happened this year is that you had two players who had statistically two of the most impressive individual seasons in NBA history. Kobe averaging 35+, which hadn't been done since Michael Jordan in 1988 (who won the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year that season!), and Lebron who AVERAGED 31-7-7!!! A player had not done something like that since the days of Oscar Robertson (Jordan might have come close to something like that perhaps). Yet Steve Nash who wasn't that statistically impressive, nor played well on defense, beats both of them out for the MVP!?!? It makes your theory all the more plausible.