Nash is a great player. The fact that you and many other people did a lousy job of predicting their record both years that he's been there doesn't somehow make him the best player in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
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Nash is a great player. The fact that you and many other people did a lousy job of predicting their record both years that he's been there doesn't somehow make him the best player in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
The MVP isn't an award of the greatest point guards of the last 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrin
Queerly Canadian? :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
The Suns will never win a title with Mike D'entures as their coach. It's Nellie ball, part II. It's a gimmick scheme that comes apart under pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
You'd think the MVP would be able to stop a 19-0 run...Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Obviously it isn't about winning games, caliber of teammates, having a complete game, putting up statistics or being the best at your position. Maybe they should change it from the "most valuable player" award to the "valuable player" award.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
Nash for VP.
No, but when you can't make he's the slam-dunk best in the game today, then the wrong guy has been MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
And it has a little to do with it when those other 10 guys ahead of him haven't won ONE MVP.
You'd think the MVP would have a ring...
S. Marion = playoff choker
not worth the max I trade him if I am a sun fan
1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers. That's the last time that an NBA Champion allowed their opponents to score as many points as the Phoenix Suns allowed this season (102.0). Last year it was worse. (103.3).Quote:
Originally Posted by word
The last time a Championship team allowed over 100 points a game was 1994-95 when the 47-35 Houston Rockets had to come back from 3-1 twice in the playoffs to become Champions.
Steve Nash is 32. We heard the same hype about the New Jersey Nets, the Sacramento Kings, and the Dallas Mavericks. The last time I checked the Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs, and Detroit Pistons won the Championships of this decade.
:lol :lol 64-63 Bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Oh and by the way...Lakers currently owning the Suns :)
Shoogarbear...I think your prediction may just come true :wow :wow
this is the second straight game the lakers are taking it to the suns
suns were 10-0 against kobe with nash
but phil jackson makes adjustments
suns coach has not
suns are in trouble
lakers are actually looking scary good
but it against the suns without their d men so who knows
they better give it to him in game 5 because that could be the last home game for him this season
:lmao Of course as I said that, Nash is currently leading them back into the game.
nash had allstar talent surounding him last year as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Collins
all the writers said they voted for him over shaq only because of his teams record being the best in the nba!
i wonder whats their excuse this yr!
The Great White Hoax....Quote:
Originally Posted by x0xbillupsx0x
^:lol Damn, at least give it to Dirk then. I was so sure on that Vbookie :pctoss
Really? :elephant :drunk :drunk :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
Oh, you mean the one about the Phoenix-LA series.
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
:lmao
I don't know what's with all the Nash hate. This year there wasn't really a clear winner, but I think Nash is legit. I wanted Dirk to get it, but if you think about the "2-time" complainers, just using that logic, "well, I can't vote for Nash, he won it last year..." doesn't really make sense since last year has nothing to do with how he good he was this year as it is for anyone deciding the vote. And Magic Johnson's era, Michael Jordan's era has nothing to do with 2006!
THe Regular Season MVP award isn't even something get worked up about anyway or any of the individual regular season awards. THey're just distractions from the Ring, so who cares, the opponents can rack up their awards while the real ones get the job done.
do u really fucking believe nash is gonna block shots? give me a fucking break..he is a 6 foot point guard not a 7foot or man-beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
You're overstating this a bit. Dominating means to me that you're able to put a team away. The Suns are the more talented team, and that's why the Lakers cannot put them away. The Spurs dominated the Kings in game one. The Pistons dominated the Bucks in game 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
But the way the Lakers are playing - the relentless pursuit of the basketball, controlling tempo, the solid shot selection, making the big plays, playing smart and hungry, sharing team responsibilities like rebounding and passing amongst 12 guys - those are the things that are keeping the Lakers in this series. That's why I picked them to win this series. They have a long way to go, but they took the first step tonight.
Please, don't get overhyped between games. The only way this game should have struck someone upside the head is if they thought 54 wins guaranteed the Suns a playoff spot in the next round.
Ups to Sasha and Odom playing so well (and of course, Kobe). Kwame played sloppy and/or scared. He made tough turnovers early and late, and some just dumb plays; fouls that weren't even called. And Smush got rattled because his shot wasn't falling. I bring this up because they will need both of these guys to rebound by Game 3 and just play smarter and more loose.
Do you really have to point out the advantage to the Lakers in terms of adjustments? Mike D'Antoni is coached his 17th playoff game tonight. Phil Jackson's 2003-04 playoff run had 23 games.
When a vote is this close, it's one of two things. Either everyone is so mediocre that a winner doesn't distinguish himself or there are so many qualified candidates that the winner can't distinguish himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
The latter is the case here, and I think giving Steve Nash more MVPs that any other guard in the history of the game besides Magic and Jordan is a very good argument for saying "You got one last year Steve, there's just too many great guys this season." What I'm saying is that what will happen to the history of the award should be a tie-breaker, not the first reason to dismiss.
And I don't buy it. Steven A. Smith on the 6PM Sportscenter as much said that since Nash was the MVP last season, and no one really stepped forward to taking it, he cast his vote for Steve Nash. He said "Let me use a boxing medaphor someone has to step up and take your title away from you. I didn't see that happen, and based on the season he had, I voted for Steve Nash."
That's AT LEAST one voter voted for Nash this season and used last season to justify it.
I'll put down my gun when the media, who voted for this, puts down theirs. We vote on Most Improved Player using the previous season as justification. We vote for every award - not in a vaccum - but by what they have done in their careers prior, where there team was before them, etc.
Sure it is. 20 years from now, someone will know who David Robinson was. Will they know who Rasheed Wallace was, Keith Van Horn? My guess is no. MVPs are about saying "This was the best player of this season. Remember him." And Steve Nash is not the best player this year, plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chauncey Billups
3. Lebron James
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Elton Brand
6. Steve Nash
7. Tony Parker
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Gilbert Arenas
10. Vince Carter
That's how my ballot would've looked.