Reports say Nash earns NBA MVP award

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

You will see in the replay (and reiterated in my post above) that Nash was present before the shooting motion (i.e. lift-off for dunk) began and that he left the proper amount of space based on the speed of Kobe's upward thrust to garner a charging call. When Doug Collins says the officiating is bad (especially against his baby Kobe), then it was a bad call. That's in the official rule book too, section 34, dedicated specifically to Doug Collins insults.

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He does have a point, Section 34 is specifically dedicated to me. :elephant :princess :elephant :fro :king

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

That whole comment is idiotic. I could go on more, but I have a shit to take that is more important than responding to your post. Bringing out the official NBA rule book can be useful when it pertains to your statement. You bold the most unimportant part of the rule because it is obvious that Joey Crawford thought the contact was not negligible because he, in fact, blew the whistle. Also, by official NBA definition, a "Darrell Armstrong" charge is described as "throwing your body in a backwards motion when little or no contact is involved, often using a shrill yell to draw attention to your action. See Manu Ginobili." If you watch the replay again, you will see that actual contact occurred and the only person yelling is Kobe Bryant. What happened was, according to definition again, a "make-up call" which is defined as "when Kobe gets hit on the face in Game 1 with no call and he and Phil bitch about it a lot, then make sure any questionable calls go his way at crucial points in the 4th quarter."

You will see in the replay (and reiterated in my post above) that Nash was present before the shooting motion (i.e. lift-off for dunk) began and that he left the proper amount of space based on the speed of Kobe's upward thrust to garner a charging call. When Doug Collins says the officiating is bad (especially against his baby Kobe), then it was a bad call. That's in the official rule book too, section 34, dedicated specifically to Doug Collins insults.

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You also have to be firmly planted and stationary to draw the charge. Nash was still moving forward BEFORE the contact. So it is a block. And shut the FUCK up with that stephen a smith shit. I was nice and polite before, but your dumb ass has to get fucking personal. I dont like Kobe, but it was not a charge. Get the fuck over it.

Nash is the MVP. He makes teammates better.

But as a french fan I must say something about Diaw.
He is no a Nash product.

- Last summer he was the best French player during the Euro (better than TP). He was probably the second european player behind Dirk. For those who think that european game is bullshit, just look at theresults of the last Olympics games.

- With Nash out for two games, Diaw had to tripple-doubles.

- Diaw struggled in Atlanta because is coach was a moron. D'antoni knows how to coach Euro-players. Of course Nash help, but whoever your teammates are you don't have 4 tripple-double a year and 13/7/6 statistics if you are a mediocre player.

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

Also, by official NBA definition, a "Darrell Armstrong" charge is described as "throwing your body in a backwards motion when little or no contact is involved, often using a shrill yell to draw attention to your action. See Manu Ginobili."

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Good luck with that shit, because you are certainly full.

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Originally Posted by Scobe

You also have to be firmly planted and stationary to draw the charge. Nash was still moving forward BEFORE the contact. So it is a block. And shut the FUCK up with that stephen a smith shit. I was nice and polite before, but your dumb ass has to get fucking personal. I dont like Kobe, but it was not a charge. Get the fuck over it.

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The problem with that is: "quite frankly," he wasn't moving... thanks Stephen A.

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

The problem with that is: "quite frankly," he wasn't moving... thanks Stephen A.

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You're wrong. He was moving forward. You have to be SET for the charge if the guy is already in the air. And Kobe was in the air while Nash was moving forward. I respect your convictions, but you are completely wrong here and nothing you say can change that. :lol

Nash getting another MVP award is just bullshit.

If people are going to be like that they need to just vote for Kobe or LBJ instead of a dude that can't seem to come up with any answers when a playoffs is over.

Nash definetly doesnt deserve the mvp award thats horrible shit right there

pity is what it is to me.. you don't get far with pity..

then officials are saying that ben wallace will win the defensive player of the year award again thats bs....damn this shit is fucking ridiculous

i won't dog ben wallace because the ugly dude goes out there and does what nobody else hardly can and play defense. all i can say is when popularity out-weighs who deserves it then you have a serious problem. and a welcome to the typical NBA floomat.

yes its a fucking popularity contest, but even so, im sorry to say it but Kobe Bryant deserves the MVP award more than any other player....this man carried a nobody team to the playoffs.....nash has a real team of players, Nash, Marion, Bell, Diaw, both Thomas', i mean who does kobe have??? exactly it was all just some politcal bullshit or something.....as for as DPY......Bruce clearly beats any other player in the league....Bruce's defense is stealer and consitantly locks down prime time players....this is a freaking travesty

I don't like Kobe either but I agree that he is the MVP. Most Valuable Player.

Odom is some flippy flopping trash. Smush Parker is laughable. Brian Cook is slower than corn syrup running uphill, and Kwame is the only bit of future I see in anyone they have. And Kobe truely does it by himself.

Maybe that bastard Phil came back for that reason. To help Kobe and make him a leader among boys?

Whatever the case, if Nash gets MVP I would just assume Duncan could have gotten it too then.

exactly i have to completely agree with you on that,

Look, Kobe is the best individual player in the league. But you look at the guys who play with Nash and look like stars, and try and recall where they were before the joined Nash.

Eddie House was waived by the freaking Bobcats. Tim Thomas was a bum and a cancer; he was D-U-N done for all practical purposes before he got to Phoenix. Diaw was averaging 4 ppg on the lowly Hawks, and is now a triple-double threat.

This team has no serviceable big man left. After Amare went down, their only legitimate "big" in Kurt Thomas got injured. Brian Grant and his knees have been MIA since he was dealt by Miami to LA. They still won 54 games. And before you start over-rating D'Antoni, this was the coach who won a whopping 21 games with Amare, Marion and Joe Johnson. Nash arrived, he won 62 and COY.

Spurs fans have a short memory. We beat the Suns in 5 all right, by shutting down the others; we couldn't stop Nash and Amare on the pick-n-roll. How many easy dunks and layups did Amare get off the pnr? Pop said something to the effect that Nash and Amare made the Stockton and Malone pick-n-roll look like kid stuff.

Yes, he can't play a lick of defense. But has any other team won 54 games in the West with a bunch of SFs and guards: their entire rotation right now is either SFs (Marion, Tim Thomas, Diaw, James Jones) or guards (Nash, Bell, House, Barbosa). He's pulled off something neither Kobe nor LeBron could. Heck, LeBron has a better supporting cast and won 4 games less in the East.

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Originally Posted by Brutalis

i won't dog ben wallace because the ugly dude goes out there and does what nobody else hardly can and play defense. all i can say is when popularity out-weighs who deserves it then you have a serious problem. and a welcome to the typical NBA floomat.

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so you're saying Nash is more popular than Lebron, Kobe, etc???

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

so you're saying Nash is more popular than Lebron, Kobe, etc???

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no.. dont go out of context. we're speaking about DPOY.

So NBA did the right thing picking Nash right?

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

Look, Kobe is the best individual player in the league. But you look at the guys who play with Nash and look like stars, and try and recall where they were before the joined Nash.

Eddie House was waived by the freaking Bobcats. Tim Thomas was a bum and a cancer; he was D-U-N done for all practical purposes before he got to Phoenix. Diaw was averaging 4 ppg on the lowly Hawks, and is now a triple-double threat.

This team has no serviceable big man left. After Amare went down, their only legitimate "big" in Kurt Thomas got injured. Brian Grant and his knees have been MIA since he was dealt by Miami to LA. They still won 54 games. And before you start over-rating D'Antoni, this was the coach who won a whopping 21 games with Amare, Marion and Joe Johnson. Nash arrived, he won 62 and COY.

Spurs fans have a short memory. We beat the Suns in 5 all right, by shutting down the others; we couldn't stop Nash and Amare on the pick-n-roll. How many easy dunks and layups did Amare get off the pnr? Pop said something to the effect that Nash and Amare made the Stockton and Malone pick-n-roll look like kid stuff.

Yes, he can't play a lick of defense. But has any other team won 54 games in the West with a bunch of SFs and guards: their entire rotation right now is either SFs (Marion, Tim Thomas, Diaw, James Jones) or guards (Nash, Bell, House, Barbosa). He's pulled off something neither Kobe nor LeBron could. Heck, LeBron has a better supporting cast and won 4 games less in the East.

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Great points all around... and the fact that D'Antoni inherited a team mid-season that was already losing a lot and dealing with injuries to Amare's ankle... trying to change a whole philosophy is very difficult with young players, so the addition and leadership of Nash including a fresh start the next season helped the team win 62 games... while also adding some players that would buy into the system

And before you jump to the conclusion that Kobe was robbed, just cast your eye over this comparison:

1986-87
Michael Jordan: 37.1 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 4.6 APG, 48.2% FGP, 40 wins did not win the MVP
1988-89
Michael Jordan: 32.5 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 8.0 APG, 54% FGP, 47 wins did not win the MVP.

2005-06
Kobe Bryant: 35.2 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.5 APG, 45% FGP, 45 wins, no MVP

What makes you think Kobe was robbed. Michael had a far better year on those two occassions. Guess who he lost to? Magic, whose team won 65 and 57 wins in those 2 years respectively.

For all those who say Kobe's doing it without a good supporting cast: Jordan in 86-87 had Charles Oakley as the 2nd best player on the Bulls. A far cry from Bryant who has Odom. Magic on the other hand was playing with a few gentlemen by the names of Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper, AC Green; each of who was better than Oakley. At least Odom is comparable to Marion, and the Lakers have bigs who are way better than Phoenix's.

Bottomline: history is repeating itself. Jordan's one-man army lost the MVP to Magic and his stacked teams. Kobe is losing it to Nash, who doesn't have that strong a team that Magic had.

wow good point. what were Magic's stats that year?