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That late screen by Duncan that caught and buckled Mike Bibby while Barry dropped in the crushing three? Still bugs Adelman.
"I wasn't going to say anything (initially), but it was illegal," Adelman said. "That's supposed to be illegal. But we can say it's our fault. We should not have been in the position to get picked. That was our big mistake."
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports...15065818c.html
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Duncan was standing there... bibby ran into him hard... duncan moved with the contact.
Bibby was so far out of the play anyway that it woudln't have mattered if Duncan had even set the pick.
it looked clean to me. bibby reacted too late.tim timed his pick perfectly and bibby ran into him.
He moved, before or after was incidental; he also pushed off before that. It's what great players do; know what they can get away with when.
Bottom line; if it isn't called, it's not a foul.
It is good to see, however, that Adellman is dwelling on it.
I thought that Tim might have been moving at the time, too, but I keep forgetting to look again on the replays. Anyway, they are nevernevernevernevernever gonna call that off the ball.
And of all people complaining about setting moving picks, the guy who coached Vlade and Webber? :lmao
sounds like someone's makeing excuses to inspire his team.
Tim did move, but SO WHAT. The Kings had the refs calling EVERYTHING for them. They need to STFU and deal because they had a 38-24 advantage going into overtime at the free throw line.
The Kings sound pretty deflated by Game2.
2-0 is a big hole vs Spurs, and they aren't likely to be the 15th team ever to win a series after being down 0-2, and they aren't the 04 Lakers, Rick ain't Phil.
Mavs and Pistons dominated in their Game2s, while the Spurs escaped Game2 with a lucky bounce.
Spurs need to make a show of force in Game3, on the road.
Is Pop the only coach in the league who doesn't whine about plays to the press after a game?
Queens whiner forum page 6000.
AJ and Mike Brown too.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
I believe so. Pop has this leave the past in the past mentality. If it;s over then he figures it;s time to move on to the nest thing. Be it the next game or the next season. :tu I like that about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
Man, are we gonna come out horrible again on game 3 or are we gonna take care of business?
We better come to play. :madrun
and you know who they learned from... :spinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimcs50
However, Avery has Cuban to do his whining to the press for him, so he doesn't count. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by carina_gino20
Sacramento will have all the intangible mental advantages--return of Artest, played well in game 2, "we wuz robbed", must win, etc--in Game 3.
The Spurs have the advantage/disadvantage of being up two games which can affect their mental outlook positively or negatively. Let's see if they have the killer attitude of champions this year.
Pop could be complaining to the media after many bs calls but what does he do. He does say jack. Adelman can know it was illegal (i thought it wasn't), but he shouldn't bitch about it. The game is over. Worry about the next game. He is showing weakness right now. It's the same with cry baby bitch Ray Allen last year.
Let me tell you one thing billy.. mental advantages dont mean anything.. its when you have the loaded gun, facing your enemy, the willpower to shoot... thats what gets it done
Let's not sanitize Pop. I recall he used to do his fair share of whining in the media but sometime around 2000-2001 stopped. The Spurs wised up and are much more behind the scenes now.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
link?Quote:
I recall he used to do his fair share of whining in the media
:depressed :( :cry Ahh, Cubo the Crybaby. That guy should be in a starbucks somewhere... not running an NBA team. And the team cries as much as he does. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by foodie2
I thought it was borderline...definitely not something they'd call at that point in the game though...
I don't understand why people point to # of FT's when talking about how officials call the game??!! The Kings got called for 29 fouls and the Spurs got called for 28. Seems pretty even to me?Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp21
Too many variables involved with # of FT's that come out of those fouls to only look at the # of FT's...
Sac. doesn't have any mental advantage. They know they will not get another game from Martin or SAR like the last one. And more than likely with Artest on the court will not get another game from Wells like that either. They know they gave their best shot and they still lost with the Spurs playing soft and sloppy. They now have the mentality of the guy who punches another guy in the face as hard as he can, and that guy doesn't even flinch. They know their best shot isn't good enough this year. No advantage there. Without Artest they played TEAM basketball and spread it around. SAR, Wells, Martin had 28, 27, 26. That's not happening again and they know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Something about "mental advantage" and "return of Artest" just doesn't work for me. :lol
:lmao (looks just like him!)Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
A man after my own heart. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Scobe
Hey, Cubes prolly DOES "run" the Mavs from a Starbucks. He basically only responds to interview questions via e-mail anyway.
it was definitley an illegal pick. he just stuck his leg out and tripped him. how the hell can that be clean?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmard5
It was an illegal pick, but they didn't call it, so what are you gonna do? There's no point in complaining. Bibby's an idiot for letting someone get between him and Brent anyways.
90% of NBA picks are illegal with some movement. By NBA standards that pick was textbook perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshPrince22
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Originally Posted by picnroll
ehhh, it was fine on the initial contact, but then he stuck his leg out and leaned into him to stop him from even getting close. That's where it becomes illegal. But they aren't going to get bailed out in that situation. Adelman is an idiot for not telling each person to ignore everyone else and just stick to their own man. What harm would have been done if Manu scored that layup? None.
I thought that it was said that he did tell them to stick to their man. It was simply a player error on Bibby's part. And as for the screen it was clean IMO. Nothing more nothing less.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshPrince22
I guess we can pretend perennial DPOY candidate Mike Bibby would have gotten there and blocked the shot too.
Duncan leg was already out he didn't move it. He may have leaned to his left but you could make just as good an argument that Bibby running into through his balance that way. But like I said you call that a foul and you have to call 90% of picks a foul and 100% of Ben's.
Don't want to post the footage here but here is a link to another site that shows the play.
http://www.igourmet.com/images/produ...cheeseasst.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Scobe
Here ya go Ricky!!!
Not to be homerish, but Magic Johnson and the TNT crew agreed it was nice and legal..:baby to Adelman. Ha-Ha.
Besides, you could argue the damage was already done after the initial contact. Then Bibby on the floor was already colliding with Duncan and both were "moving" from the contact. It wasn't too obvious. Bibby falling for it and realizing "SHIT!!" his error, just made Duncan's hard screen look bad--and Bibby's case somewhat sympathetic from the Kings POV.
But Bibby wasn't holding onto Brent anyway, so Adelman shouldn't be whining about the screen even if he ran at Barry, Barry would have got it off in time.
It was a good no-call.
Probably an illegal pick by the letter of the rules, but a suprisingly clean one given the situation. He didn't hold or push Bibby, which is more than you can say for about half the picks set these days.
The pick wasn't any worse than Raheem's push off (holding Duncan down) with the off hand as he made his last shot to give Sac. the advatage. When that I happened I figured the officials were going to let the players decide the outcome to a fault. If you think the pick was illegal and the officials didn't call it then they did their job because it made them consistent.
Actually I believe the extra leg by Duncan has been shown conclusively to be what cause the shot to not be a swish, so it actually helped the Kings.
The pick aside, it was still a very tough corner shot for Barry because of the situation. No three is automatic, but that one is much easier to make in the 1st than with the game on the line in the 4th. It had some magic dust on it, but still a great shot at a critical time in the game. Besides, I can't figure out what Bibby was doing that far in the lane. He completely lost sight of his man, and that is a big NO NO.
Exactly right. If they were going to swallow their whistles for the obvious clear out they aren't going to let Bibby flail his way into drawing a very questionable foulQuote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
:rolleyes get a grip!
You don't hear the great coaches complain about alleged missed calls by the ref. I know he's fighting for his job and all, but just take it like and man and say we gave it our best effort but came up a little short.
No excuses.
You don't consider P. Jackson a great coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
Used to be. About the time he started whining to the media is about the time I stopped thinking he was a great coach. Maybe the reason he felt he had to start whining to the media is because he was less effective as a coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
so what if it was out? you still cant set picks with your leg. he also gave Bibby a bit of a push. and Bibby tried to spin around him, so im not sure where you guys think he just ran into Duncan. look again, but before doing so, get that homeristic point of view out of your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
Practicing whining already for the next series?Quote:
Originally Posted by v2000
No jackoff Mavs fan should ever complain about picks since moving screens are what the entire Mav's offense and Dirk are built around.
You might look again, too, but get the hate out of your head first?Quote:
Originally Posted by v2000
Yup, Dampier in particular seems to hold on EVERY screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
i have seen cubes in no less than 2 PTI interviews in thelast monthQuote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
This really didn't surprise anyone, did it? After all, Sacramento is in the heart of whine country. Cheese anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmard5
Phil is all about head games, it's a little bit different. I think Adelman went back and called the pick illegal because he was catching so much heat from the media about his defensive set and leaving Barry wide open in the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
The pick was illegal, but it wasn't called. As were many calls for both teams. I can't believe there are three pages of this thread on such a meaningless topic.
i didn't even notice the pick, my attention was on menu. didn't look any different than any other pick i see from any other big man.
sounds like the second comin of mark cuban
Kinda makes up for all those illegal ones Webber, Divac, Pollard and other Kings cronies set every year eh?Quote:
The pick was illegal, but it wasn't called
A maverick fan scolding Spurs fans, on illegal picks isssssss sooooo pathetically hypocritical, its not even funny.
What does this have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
The game was called horribly both ways. How does this "make up for something"???
:lol
I see Kings fan has lost its sense of humor after two losses.....
It's the playoffs, "no autopsy, no foul".Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
I've still got my sense of humor, the fact is you are just not funny. :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
:yawn.
The fact is the board stinks when the opposing trolls come in.
Except Piston fan, they are the most logical and best to talk to.
LOL.
Am I a troll because I've called you out on your nonsense posts? Please, I'd love for you to explain to me how I'm trolling.
Funny now that you are the one talking about logic when you hardly have a grasp of it yourself.
KingsFanWithoutName
plonk! that didn't take long.
I'm gonna say that 4 of those 29 came in the overtime period when the Kings fouled on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Adelman was a whiner in Portland. Some things never change.
Like Spurs fans starting threads to bitch about foul calls when it was 28 fouls to 29 fouls?Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
How many of the Kings fouls were intentional in the OT?
Thank you.
One would think that Rick Adelman would be able to lose a playoff game with some class. After all, he's had so much practice...
I've been reading a lot of team forums in the last couple games. Most fans (not just fans of the Kings) think that it was an illegal pick. Oh well. If he was moving, he wasn't moving enough that they were going to call it in that situation.
The illegal part of the pick wouldn't have made a lick of difference to whether Bibby would have gotten a hand in Barry's face...Bibby was already effectively neutralized when Duncan started to move/stumble, thus it is a good non call.
It was the only flaw in one of the best executed end of game plays I have ever seen.
4. Such a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Ever wonder why you don't here me whining about Bonzi fouling out on some weak touch call?
I can look at this game from an objective viewpoint, seems you have trouble doing the same...........................and your team won. :rolleyes
I wonder what those same people say about SAR clearing out with his off arm all night? The Spurs don't make excuses when they lose, but it seems like everyone else always has one. At some point don't you just have to win the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
If I were going to hazard a guess, I'd say because Bonzi knocked Manu to the ground and people would call you stupid if you called it a weak touch call.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
I have trouble telling the difference between when Manu is actually fouled or when he is flopping. I've seen air knock the man over. He will soon take the crown from Divac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I read those same forums from time to time and they also believe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
1. Manu is a flopper, cheater and should be maimed.
2. Bowen is the dirtest player in the league and should be maimed or banned.
3. Duncan gets star treatment and should foul out of every game in the first half if the refs were fair.
4. Parker travels (oh yeah, Manu too) on every drive to the basket.
Only Rasho and Nazr go unscathed, a true sign of mediocricy.
Fact is with success the Spurs have also attracted more than their share of haters and less than of objective fan/critics. Any gray zone play you'll have more than half siding with Spurs' opponents. A price galdly paid for success.
Not surprising, since you can't tell the difference between a body check and a touch foul. And I'm waiting for a single example of Manu getting knocked down with no actual contact. You can go back as far as you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
I think that was more a riposte to Adleman's whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
Four fouls, if they're shooting fouls, is a difference of EIGHT FTs. I'd say that was relevant in a close game.
... and Bonzi flopped like live salmon on the dock on that behind the back pass to Finley Manu made. But you have Kings fans crying Bonzi was trampled. He did Floppy Divac proud in that Kings uniform.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
I'm searching now. May take a while as I'll have to search through a database of thousands of Manu flops. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
No. It was made before that thread on Adelman's whining was made. Check the dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
If I could only find a clip when Manu flopped and injured Barbosa. If I remember correctly, that was a gust of wind flop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
From the newspaper:Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
Suns coach Mike D'Antoni told the paper Ginobili "got tangled up a little bit" with Raja Bell when he stumbled backward, and "just to make his point, he was falling down."
"It was an accident," D'Antoni told the Republic.
Jeez, enough on this...
Spurs fans... this was a totally clean pick, you know it , i know it, the refs know it, Bibby should not have fallen asleep. Good job refs.
Kings fans.... what a freaking screw job ! The refs love the Spurs, they get ALL the calls. That pick was totally illegal. You were robbed - robbed I tell you !!!
:lol @ obstructed
TOtally owning the Kings troll.
Never let the facts interfere with a good delusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
From Barbosa:Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
“Ginobili always likes to flop,” Barbosa told The Arizona Republic. “Nobody even touched him.
“He jost flopped. That’s why I feel sad to hurt myself like that,” he added. “I wish I could have hurt myself in another way.”
Sounds like people around here own you as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Got any tickets for me pal? I'll be your friend, I promise.
Whatever. Adelman complains about one call, when his team got the benefit ( in terms of FTA) all night. I guess that's the point. What he should complain about is that his team couldn't close the deal. One possession after Duncan went out, Sacto was up 5. They were unable to take advantage of our All-NBA pivot chained to the bench for 5 minutes in the fourth. That's the bottom line, not some pick, moving or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
If you re-read my posts, no where have I blamed the loss on a non-call on that pick. Never.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
The benefit of FTA's?????? Do some research first as to not make yourself look so foolish. SA 36 - SAC 38.
SAC got two more FT's :madrun :madrun :madrun
Just for fun . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Manu DID royally flop in a playoff game in Seattle last year. Antonio Daniels was nearby and appeared to make contact with Manu, but the slow mo showed that AD made almost no contact; Manu fell down like he'd been shot by a sniper.
With that said, I think reports of Manu flopping are overblown. The dude takes a ton of contact and that contact is usually foul-worthy. He exaggerates the contact he sustains in some instances, but in many other cases, he doesn't have to do anything. Besides, he'd have to be about the best athlete in the history of mankind to have enough body control to play as hard as he does and still be effective while hunting for opportunities to flop.
Many great players over time have exaggerated contact; and Manu is hardly alone in his exaggeration -- just watch Dirk Nowitzki one night and tell me that there's a difference between what Dirk does and what Manu does, other than that Dirk gets to the line more.
Again, I think it's a bankrupt argument, but SAC had a substantial advantage at the end of regulation; the Spurs closed the gap in OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsFanWithoutName
I agree with your take on Manu. Hell, the guy is a wild man that isn't afraid of anyone on the court. He takes a beating and gets up looking for another. I respect that aspect of his game and only hate him because he's not on my team. But the super drama flopping just kills me.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
about 6 that I remember, came off intentional fouls.Quote:
but SAC had a substantial advantage at the end of regulation; the Spurs closed the gap in OT.
Duncan should've applied a legal elbow to Bibby instead, I guess.
That's about right; the Spurs shot 12 of their 36 free throws in OT. I don't think SAC shot any, which would have made the number 38-24 at the end of regulation. But if the Spurs didn't like that differential, they shouldn't have committed fouls, whatever criteria the officials were using to make those calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park