I am sorry but having MANU handle the ball like that when you know Artest is going to be on him is just flat out stupid. Is Tony your fucking PG or not and he does not have the ball in that spot with Bibby on him what the fuck was he thinking.
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I am sorry but having MANU handle the ball like that when you know Artest is going to be on him is just flat out stupid. Is Tony your fucking PG or not and he does not have the ball in that spot with Bibby on him what the fuck was he thinking.
I agree.
Yeah Manu completely sucked ass, but Pop is the one who gave him the instructions.
I STILL don't understand the isolation, clock running shit.
We should encorporate passes so we have more fucking options to have better chances at either getting fouled or at least getting a shot up for that matter.
When's the last time TONY was given the ball in crunch time? Manu is almost always given that opportunity because he's clutch, Pop called it right.
this loss is on the gods of basketball. i really can't blame anyone
Whens the last time someone made a thread with this title
and the starter's name was NOT Aggie :lol
This loss is not on pop
unfortunately, Ginobili, in one of his extremely rare times, stiffed in a clutch situation.
Pop gave it to the right guy.
Manu is an incredible player, but NOT TONITE.. he really sucked, and there is NO WAY he should have been handling the ball for that last play. Everyone, even Manu can have an off day, and Pop should have let someone else control that last play...
On to game 4
It was a good call to give Manu the ball but he should've waited for the foul. I don't understand why he drove to the hoop.
It just made no sense TONY is your PG not MANU with Artest on him it is insane to give him the ball in that spot, Artest was killing him the whole game.
Manu tried to pass out to Tony at the three with Bibby right next to him, granted he probably was foul, he should have done something better with it, like drove it to the basket try to score or pass out.
Pffft.... don't forget game 2. Manu hand the ball before passing it off down the baseline to Brent. I have waaaay more confidence with Ginobili as the playmaker on a final possession.
Manu was a fukkin dipshit the whole game. Dude should've been on the bench. He doesn't impress me for shit.
This loss is solely on Manu Ginobili.
How is that a good call when Artest who was killing him was guarding him, Tony is your PG he gets the ball not MANU.Quote:
Originally Posted by midgetonadonkey
Whoa. Calm down. We all have known for some time now that this team was not prepared for the post season. Also, they have proven to be too soft; so don't take it so personal.
Just hope, pray, and continue to cheer.
Well, in a sense I agree with you, but Ginobili did a pretty good job setting up Finley the possession before, so even though Artest was owning Manu, I don't think keeping the ball in his hands was such a bad move. It just didn't work out, hindsight is 20/20.
shouldve just pass itto duncan and let him decide the end of the game.
Sincerely, game 2.Quote:
I am sorry but having MANU handle the ball like that when you know Artest is going to be on him is just flat out stupid.
Dumbass.
game 2??Quote:
He doesn't impress me for shit.
BTW, why isnt your man Carter steppin up for New Jersey?
He doesn't impress me for shit.
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How is that a good call when Artest who was killing him was guarding him, Tony is your PG he gets the ball not MANU.
So you forget all the games where hes been clutch and won you games handling the ball, along with game 2??
Dude wake up.
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Whoa. Calm down. We all have known for some time now that this team was not prepared for the post season. Also, they have proven to be too soft; so don't take it so personal.
talk about taking your stupid pills.....
Oh well...I don't wanna lose any more sleep over it. I'm just looking forward to Sunday, see hwo they respond to this loss. IT's terrible and this loss was horrid. Anyone catch the post game interviews, what did Pop mention?
I'm not making any excuses for Manu, because indeed he did have an off night. But come on people...the man was hit on the forearm, i.e. a foul. It wasn't called, we were stiffed. Obviously it's very hard to win them all, and I hate losing like this but I can't point fingers. On to the next game.
BTW did anyone notice how incredibly awesome Tim was tonight?
POP whould have called timeout when it was claer that Manu was stuck at almost halfcourt like that with only about 7 on the clock.
All Manu had to do was pass it to Tony one step sooner before he reached the double-team. It was not a bad decision by Pop. Manu usually makes the right plays at the end of games.
If he passes one step sooner, TP shoots with 4 seconds left and if he gets iron, it would likely be a long bounce. The Spurs were looking at a winning hand and they folded (even though Bibby got no ball, all arms). Bad decision by Manu.
A fuckin' men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigole Bitties
Nothing against Tony or his skills as PG, but Manu is THE playmaker in the last minutes of the game. That's the way it's always been and it's been proven to work, why go against what you know works?
My man Manu had a great game 2 with Artest NOT PLAYING, he got his ass kicked out there tonight. TOny is your PG he should get the ball in that spot BIBBY is a shitty defender we would have got a better shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
what happened? i thought it was gonna be a sweep?Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
He wasn't "stuck" at halfcourt, Pop was telling him to hold it, didn't you see him making the arm motions???
You all do remember Artest wasn't playing in game 2?
It just didn't go our way tonight. Kings were really determined too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
Even the great players in the NBA will have bad nights, and sometimes don't always seal the game with the last possession. Besides we got more games to play. Plenty of time to do more good than bad.
Obvoiusly they don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
You're fucking cocky?Quote:
Originally Posted by RON ARTEST
The Spurs just wanted to give Sac fans one more day of life before they eventually hung themselves from the sheer boredom of being a Kings fan and constantly playing a cowbell.
You just made my point for me what the fuck kind of shot are you going to get with 7 on the clock at half court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginofan
Manu fucked up because Manu fucked up all night. This isn't about game 2, its about game 3.
Another thing is Pop went with the 4 guard lineup and Duncan and Bonzi and Artest scored 3 straight layups and then he put Bruce Bowen in. Pop is a fuckkin retard.
Then, he is screaming at Manu to settle down, run the clock and then Manu fuckin hands it off to the Kings for a game winning layup.
Fuck Pop, Fuck Manu, they both sucked tonight. In a nutshell, that was the fuckkin game right there.
Onto Game 4.
What the fuck. I'm sick of the excuses and the bullshit recollection. Manu fucked up and Pop had the wrong fucking players out there.
Quit being fuckin homers for once.
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Originally Posted by T Park
Why don't U take the blinders off. If you think that this team is anywhere near prepared for the post season, then YOU need to stop taking your "Stupid Pills".
I guess I'll have to forgive you 'cause U have a sever case of "Eternal Homeritis".
I liked it better when you just said Spurs in 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
Are you that fucking retarded??? Have you not watched Spurs basketball at all this season?! You run the clock down and make a play at the last possible moments, so as not to give the opposing team much time for their shot. But why the hell should I explain anything to you, you're the smart guy who wants to give Tony the ball in crunch time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
Normally i would agree with Manu being the playmaker in that spot but not with Artest on him who killed him all night, give it to Tony he will go right around Bibby and we would get a good shot.
AlrightQuote:
Why don't U take the blinders off. If you think that this team is anywhere near prepared for the post season, then YOU need to stop taking your "Stupid Pills".
I guess I'll have to forgive you 'cause U have a sever case of "Eternal Homeritis
seasons over
im turning in my tickets
happy asshat??
Man fuckoff bitch.
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Manu fucked up because Manu fucked up all night. This isn't about game 2, its about game 3.
Another thing is Pop went with the 4 guard lineup and Duncan and Bonzi and Artest scored 3 straight layups and then he put Bruce Bowen in. Pop is a fuckkin retard.
Then, he is screaming at Manu to settle down, run the clock and then Manu fuckin hands it off to the Kings for a game winning layup.
Fuck Pop, Fuck Manu, they both sucked tonight. In a nutshell, that was the fuckkin game right there.
Onto Game 4.
What the fuck. I'm sick of the excuses and the bullshit recollection. Manu fucked up and Pop had the wrong fucking players out there.
Quit being fuckin homers for once.
bowlng alley cut yo off??
They institute the height rule again?
Those bastards.....
The Spurs went into prevent mode and got fuckin bit in the ass.
They should've just ran a fuckin play and got the foul and went to the line.
I would've just run 4 down.Quote:
Normally i would agree with Manu being the playmaker in that spot but not with Artest on him who killed him all night, give it to Tony he will go right around Bibby and we would get a good shot
If he makes 1 of 2, you force them to still make a basket to force OT.
the one time Pop doesn't run 4 down the bastard :lol
I am going to refrain from the 3rd grade insults that you obviously can not resist. You are telling me you would rather have Manu with Artest on him who kicked his ass all night over Tony with Bibby on him who would not know man to man D if it bit him in the ass. You are dead wrong my man, in this spot Manu should not have had the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginofan
In my opinon Mr. Sequ you are a little bit overreacting :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
You mean, like taking your best slasher and sending him to the basket to get fouled??Quote:
They should've just ran a fuckin play and got the foul and went to the line.
Thats what they did.
Yeah, Ginobili with the assist to the Kings.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
As usual.
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Originally Posted by T Park
I had a feeling your "shtick" was weak; now it's confirmed. You are beneath me, be gone. :fro
Spurs will win game 4 but this loss just hurts
With Parker shooting 4 for 13 yeah I would. Manu was fouled and should've gone to the line like he does in almost all crunch time situations he's put in. THATS WHY POP GIVES HIM THE BALL. It wasn't called, oh fucking well. The right move was made by Pop and by Manu, in my opinion. I've got nothing else to say on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
as usual :lol
game 2?
Yeah. Kings outplayed us.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Pop called the right play. Manu fucked it up. I love Manu but he flopped hoping for the call.
All the haters need to remember Pop called the same play Game 6 in Seattle but Manu passed it off to Tim.
Manu was not fouled and you can not beg for a call in that spot you are totally wrong Artest will own Manu this whole series, POP screwed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginofan
arm part of the ball?Quote:
Manu was not fouled
Pop didnt screw up. You put the ball in Manus hands. Manu flopped hoping for the call. Its on manu not Pop
You are not going to get that call 9 times out of 10 in that spot, plus i think the refs are really watching his flopping.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I'd suggest you at least watch the play again from the basket camera view. I'm not saying Manu should expect a call. I'm saying he should have passed it one step earlier to seal the game..but you probably shouldn't ignore or discount the reality of what the replay shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
manu was fouled, but they didn't call it. bibby got all arm. he just shouldn't have driven into the trap.
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You are not going to get that call 9 times out of 10 in that spot,
Oh.
So you should expect, driving to the basket, NOT to get a foul, when a couple plays earlier, they did the same for Mike Bibby?
Makes sense...
That whole play was totally mishandled. And I'm quite sure that Terry Shiavo would've won that game if she was coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
People think Manu is clutch all the time, he's done this before. I don't like the play when Artest was on him and you have Bibby guarding TP and the night TD was having. Manu screws up almost as much as he comes through.
This is why I said "Homerism in it's finest" on the other thread. Most Spurs fans think Manu is perfect. He isn't Kobe!
But other than that, the bad night the Spurs have, it still took an ubeliveable shot by Martin to win the game.
Spurs in 5!!
You can not expect the refs to win the game for you PERIOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
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Originally Posted by T Park
Unless your MJ your not on the last play of the game. You need to make nice crisp pass or be OBVIOUSLY fouled. 4 seconds left he should've passed the ball sooner.
Manu had three defenders on him, why did they call up the isolated drive? Manu tried to bump into Miller and Bibby read it got the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
yeah, that layup assisted by manu was an unbelievable shot. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
I said it before and I'll say it again. The Kings unbelievably allowed the Spurs to run the clock down with a 3.7 sec. differential. Manu passes it to Parker and he gets a shot off with 4 seconds remaining from the arc, all he needs is iron and the game is essentially won. Manu folded holding a Straight Flush.
Normall i agree with MANU having the ball there, just not with Artest on him he is too good to let MANu go one on one there, Bibby sucks give it to TOnyQuote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
Well Kobe has cost a lot of games with three defenders on him before. Manu's a different type of player anyway. Manu was not clutch tonight, but you can't knock the guy who has a record of key Big Game plays so it's a reasonable Homerism.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
Manu's not perfect, or a god, he's a winner though. Tonight he just sucked.
At the end of the game you don't put the ball in the hands of a guy with six turnovers, unless his last name is Jordan, period, end of motherfucking story...
I'm surprised that the Kings aren't up 2 to 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
The Spurs are totally unprepared. There are to many substitutions. Players are coming in and out, in and out, in and out... Guys are making runs and Pop sits them out.
Didn't Bibby play the whole game tonight? It's the fucking playoffs.
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Originally Posted by PM5K
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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
Yeah, he's lost some games, but he is the one guy in the league right now that you would want the ball in his hands when it counts. He won all those 3 rings for LA not Shaq.
No it still is HOMERISM, MANU is NOT Kobe, or an elite player. He might come through now and then when it counts, but he is to INCONSISTENT to be a SUPERSTAR.
Not only that, he should've been on the fucking bench. Finley, Barry, Parker, Beno were clearly the better men tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by PM5K
Manu was his usual every other game self.
Unfuckingreal. That game was so poorly fucking coached it was pathetic. 3 fucking layups in the last 2 minutes by the Kings because Pop was going with a small lineup. Duncan was guarding Miller at the 3 line.
Pop was fucking owned tonight.
That is what pissed me off the fucking most.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
All those easy fucking ass baskets because of the small pussy lineup.
The problem with this argument is all of 1 possession earlier for the Spurs Manu took it to Artest and set Finley up for a wide open three.Quote:
Normally i would agree with Manu being the playmaker in that spot but not with Artest on him who killed him all night
Your logic is flawed.
People are ignoring the biggest two problems tonight - we were outworked on the glass AGAIN in this series, and Pop had his stupid ass lineups in there.
We give the Kings so many easy baskets throughout this series, so many lay ups, offensive rebounds from shooting guards,I'm getting tired of this shit. This is the weakness.
It takes the Spurs extreme measures just to put 1 point on the damn board. We have been the luckiest mofo fans with all of these buzzer-beating 3's from Finley, Barry, Rasho, Horry, and everyone else on the team.
But we do nothing to stop the easy shit that the Kings get.
You put the ball in Manus hands the last play. Granted he fucked up. Dont flop and expect the call. But more often than not, he pulls a win out for us. hopefully all the Manu haters are right. If so....every-other-game Manu should bring home a game 4 win on Sunday
My logic is flawed so what do you call the fifteen times Artest made Manu eat his lunch then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
The ball should've been in Tony Parker's hands. The guy that has ran the fucking team all year. The allstar, etc. etc. Manu clearly fucked up on the last play which clearly put the spurs in a predicament that they shouldn't of been in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Manu hasn't played shit all year and when he has, he is clearly not allstar level anymore.
Manu fucked up, no one else did. The game was won and he fucked it up. Basically all by himself.
The entire team weathered the storm and took the lead and Manu fucked it up.
No one else.... Mr. I can only play once a week Ginobili. We'll see what happens next game.
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
How is the logic flawed. You have a guy who's turned the ball over several times in game deciding plays. Now you put him on a night he's having a bad night and let him go against one of two best defenders in the league.
SHIT!
His logic is not flawed, look at his assist to turnover ratio, then look at his assist to points ratio, he was more likely to turn the ball over than he was to make a shot or assist...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Eh whatever, Manu let the team down. This is a rare blunder though, where his TO actually lost us the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by goliath
ANyway, you should all just take the loss like men, and quit being pussies and give props to the Kings for returning us the favor. Bibby did a great job at reading the drive and taking the steal.
Get over it with the self-doubt.
Tonight..... umm... Game 3..........
The Spurs played better when Manu was sitting on the bench. Pop is the dipshit that brought him back in at the end. Pop went against his own theory.
What can we learn from this shitty ass game???
Avoid bullshit situations where you are depending on 1 play's outcome entirely.
Win the game earlier in the 4th, and then relax. I'm tired of fucking crazy down to the wire crap every other night. Someone is always saving us. Being a Spurs fan is gonna make me have a heart attack.
Actually, I'm fairly sure TP's +/- was worse than Manu's. When TP went out and Beno came in, the Spurs went on a run that ended up being 27-11 Spurs.
TP was highly ineffective most of the game.
TV's should have built in defibrillators...Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Man that would be a hilarious commercial, bunch of guys watching a playoff game on the tube, guy has a hear attack, other guys revives him with a built in defibrillator...
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Originally Posted by PM5K
good idea
Maybe if Pop eases up on his micromanaged Rotations and leave the Hot guys in longer. We'd have wider margin leads.
damn right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
We don't need such a large rotation.
That was the reason for our success last year, guys could actually adapt to the current game easily. In the playoffs, we only played like 8 guys, not freakin 12.
Um..if that were the case Barry woulda been on the bench for the shot in game 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Yeah, it's not like those 8 guys have to be the same 8 guys each game anyway. Just whoevers hot. I know his concern is health, but it's the playoffs, everything in the moment counts. Certain players needed to pulled for the most part, while others needed to stay for their D tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
No, Barry was hot that night had 22 points, and was 4 of 7 from the three. Tha'ts why Pop picked him over Finley for the longer, quick release.Quote:
Originally Posted by goliath
The fact is this...if I had told you spurs up 1 with 28 seconds left ball in Manu's hands everyone here woulda been happy.
Yeah I would be happy, but you'd be leaving out the fact that he had SIX FUCKING TURNOVERS, and if you told me that I'd say: WHO IS THE FUCKING IDIOT THAT GAVE HIM THE BALL?Quote:
Originally Posted by goliath
Well Murphy's law was enacted for us...Quote:
Originally Posted by goliath
Manu won't forget this. He will SEEK VENGEANCE....
Eh forget Manu right now, he has let us down until proven otherwise. Timmay' needs to lead us to victory on Sunday.
I'll tell you how the logic is flawed, it's the same logic that everyone used in the past when we'd go to Duncan at the end of a game on a night when he was 3-16 expecting for him to win the game. I got told 'because that's the way it is.'Quote:
How is the logic flawed. You have a guy who's turned the ball over several times in game deciding plays. Now you put him on a night he's having a bad night and let him go against one of two best defenders in the league.
SHIT!
Well, for quite a while now, we've gone to Manu at the end of games, and that's 'the way it is.'
You're talking about the same guy who set up Barry to get us into OT in game 2. You're talking about the same guy who 30 seconds earlier set Michael Finley up for the three that got us the lead to begin with.
Think about that. I'm not saying Manu had a great game, because he didn't. But he's the same guy who set up Finley the play before that to put us up. And that was with Artest on him. And now you're bitching about the 'hot hand' and wondering why they gave it to Manu? He had just punked Artest the previous possession, and they went with the hot hand thinking he'd do it again.
Shit happens sometimes. Hell, the refs sucked on their whistles twice in the last 6 seconds while Bibby hacked the shit out of Manu and then grabbed the net with the ball on the rim. If the refs have any balls, they never get that miracle shot.
But I digress, our biggest problem is we're getting punked on the boards this series. I don't care how strong Bonzi is - the guy playing from the 2guard spot on the other team shouldn't be grabbing 14 boards against this team.
Unfortunately that's the kind of shit that happens when Pop goes pre-season with his lineup in the playoffs. Four guards + Duncan is let Bonzi run wild on the glass, and it's what ultimately cost us the game.
You are just wrong AHF, as I said:
Look at his numbers, look at his assist/turnover and point/turnover ratios, he was more likely to turn the ball over than he was to make an assist or score a basket...
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
First, I doubt TD has the second best or best defender on him. Even if its Ben Wallace. I would take TD on Ben any day of the week, instead of Manu on Artest. TD is the best PF to ever play the game. IS Manu even close to that, NO!
And like I said, Manu screws up, just as much as he's come through. Screw that shit, with Artest on him.
And the Kings guy, the two guard, who had a great game and had all those rebounds. Tell me who was guarding him most of the night.
On the Tim Duncan 3-16 thing you're right on this call. Timmy is that type of player you just have to believe in no matter what the current Spread sheet says. Didn't we see him go from 3 of 10 to 10 of 17 or something like that in the 4th quarter against the Lakers in Reg Season. And in the 3rd quarter of game 7 in the Finals. His stats didn't tell he would erupt in the 3rd, but he delivered at the right time. Same can be said about Manu, who has delivered the game clinching play for most of his career in the regular season, postseason and the championship. So Pop was NOT wrong to assume...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
But still, PMK makes his point with the help of HINDSIGHT. Pop gambled on Manu's performance tonight, and should have read the warning signs against the KINGS previous D on him. Manu had those turnovers for a reason. He didn't respond well to it agaiN, in the last possession and blew the game.
Hindsight is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
Hindsight is if Manu turned the ball over and I said to myself afterwards:
Shit, Manu shouldn't have had the ball in his hands
What happened was Manu had the ball in his hands and I said to myself:
Shit, Manu shouldn't have the ball in his hands, he has six turnovers.
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Originally Posted by PM5K
:lmao
Are you trying to say something.