This loss is on POP

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Originally Posted by Ginofan

With Parker shooting 4 for 13 yeah I would. Manu was fouled and should've gone to the line like he does in almost all crunch time situations he's put in. THATS WHY POP GIVES HIM THE BALL. It wasn't called, oh fucking well. The right move was made by Pop and by Manu, in my opinion. I've got nothing else to say on the matter.

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Manu was not fouled and you can not beg for a call in that spot you are totally wrong Artest will own Manu this whole series, POP screwed up.

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Manu was not fouled

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arm part of the ball?

Pop didnt screw up. You put the ball in Manus hands. Manu flopped hoping for the call. Its on manu not Pop

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Originally Posted by T Park

arm part of the ball?

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You are not going to get that call 9 times out of 10 in that spot, plus i think the refs are really watching his flopping.

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Originally Posted by dbreiden83080

Manu was not fouled and you can not beg for a call in that spot you are totally wrong Artest will own Manu this whole series, POP screwed up.

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I'd suggest you at least watch the play again from the basket camera view. I'm not saying Manu should expect a call. I'm saying he should have passed it one step earlier to seal the game..but you probably shouldn't ignore or discount the reality of what the replay shows.

manu was fouled, but they didn't call it. bibby got all arm. he just shouldn't have driven into the trap.

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You are not going to get that call 9 times out of 10 in that spot,

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Oh.

So you should expect, driving to the basket, NOT to get a foul, when a couple plays earlier, they did the same for Mike Bibby?

Makes sense...

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Originally Posted by Solid D

I'd suggest you at least watch the play again from the basket camera view. I'm not saying Manu should expect a call. I'm saying he should have passed it one step earlier to seal the game..but you probably shouldn't ignore or discount the reality of what the replay shows.

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That whole play was totally mishandled. And I'm quite sure that Terry Shiavo would've won that game if she was coaching.

People think Manu is clutch all the time, he's done this before. I don't like the play when Artest was on him and you have Bibby guarding TP and the night TD was having. Manu screws up almost as much as he comes through.

This is why I said "Homerism in it's finest" on the other thread. Most Spurs fans think Manu is perfect. He isn't Kobe!

But other than that, the bad night the Spurs have, it still took an ubeliveable shot by Martin to win the game.

Spurs in 5!!

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Originally Posted by T Park

Oh.

So you should expect, driving to the basket, NOT to get a foul, when a couple plays earlier, they did the same for Mike Bibby?

Makes sense...

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You can not expect the refs to win the game for you PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Oh.

So you should expect, driving to the basket, NOT to get a foul, when a couple plays earlier, they did the same for Mike Bibby?

Makes sense...

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Unless your MJ your not on the last play of the game. You need to make nice crisp pass or be OBVIOUSLY fouled. 4 seconds left he should've passed the ball sooner.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

I'd suggest you at least watch the play again from the basket camera view. I'm not saying Manu should expect a call. I'm saying he should have passed it one step earlier to seal the game..but you probably shouldn't ignore or discount the reality of what the replay shows.

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Manu had three defenders on him, why did they call up the isolated drive? Manu tried to bump into Miller and Bibby read it got the ball.

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Originally Posted by jcrod

But other than that, the bad night the Spurs have, it still took an ubeliveable shot by Martin to win the game.

Spurs in 5!!

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yeah, that layup assisted by manu was an unbelievable shot. :rolleyes

I said it before and I'll say it again. The Kings unbelievably allowed the Spurs to run the clock down with a 3.7 sec. differential. Manu passes it to Parker and he gets a shot off with 4 seconds remaining from the arc, all he needs is iron and the game is essentially won. Manu folded holding a Straight Flush.

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Originally Posted by jcrod

People think Manu is clutch all the time, he's done this before. I don't like the play when Artest was on him and you have Bibby guarding TP and the night TD was having. Manu screws up almost as much as he comes through.

This is why I said "Homerism in it's finest" on the other thread. Most Spurs fans think Manu is perfect. He isn't Kobe!

But other than that, the bad night the Spurs have, it still took an ubeliveable shot by Martin to win the game.

Spurs in 5!!

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Normall i agree with MANU having the ball there, just not with Artest on him he is too good to let MANu go one on one there, Bibby sucks give it to TOny

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Originally Posted by jcrod

This is why I said "Homerism in it's finest" on the other thread. Most Spurs fans think Manu is perfect. He isn't Kobe!

Spurs in 5!!

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Well Kobe has cost a lot of games with three defenders on him before. Manu's a different type of player anyway. Manu was not clutch tonight, but you can't knock the guy who has a record of key Big Game plays so it's a reasonable Homerism.

Manu's not perfect, or a god, he's a winner though. Tonight he just sucked.

At the end of the game you don't put the ball in the hands of a guy with six turnovers, unless his last name is Jordan, period, end of motherfucking story...

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Originally Posted by Solid D

I said it before and I'll say it again. The Kings unbelievably allowed the Spurs to run the clock down with a 3.7 sec. differential. Manu passes it to Parker and he gets a shot off with 4 seconds remaining from the arc, all he needs is iron and the game is essentially won. Manu folded holding a Straight Flush.

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I'm surprised that the Kings aren't up 2 to 1.

The Spurs are totally unprepared. There are to many substitutions. Players are coming in and out, in and out, in and out... Guys are making runs and Pop sits them out.

Didn't Bibby play the whole game tonight? It's the fucking playoffs.

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Originally Posted by PM5K

At the end of the game you don't put the ball in the hands of a guy with six turnovers, unless his last name is Jordan, period, end of motherfucking story...

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

Well Kobe has cost a lot of games with three defenders on him before. Manu's a different type of player anyway. Manu was not clutch tonight, but you can't knock the guy who has a record of key Big Game plays so it's a reasonable Homerism.

Manu's not perfect, or a god, he's a winner though. Tonight he just sucked.

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Yeah, he's lost some games, but he is the one guy in the league right now that you would want the ball in his hands when it counts. He won all those 3 rings for LA not Shaq.

No it still is HOMERISM, MANU is NOT Kobe, or an elite player. He might come through now and then when it counts, but he is to INCONSISTENT to be a SUPERSTAR.

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Originally Posted by PM5K

At the end of the game you don't put the ball in the hands of a guy with six turnovers, unless his last name is Jordan, period, end of motherfucking story...

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Not only that, he should've been on the fucking bench. Finley, Barry, Parker, Beno were clearly the better men tonight.

Manu was his usual every other game self.

Unfuckingreal. That game was so poorly fucking coached it was pathetic. 3 fucking layups in the last 2 minutes by the Kings because Pop was going with a small lineup. Duncan was guarding Miller at the 3 line.

Pop was fucking owned tonight.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Not only that, he should've been on the fucking bench. Finley, Barry, Parker, Beno were clearly the better men tonight.

Manu was his usual every other game self.

Unfuckingreal. That game was so poorly fucking coached it was pathetic. 3 fucking layups in the last 2 minutes by the Kings because Pop was going with a small lineup. Duncan was guarding Miller at the 3 line.

Pop was fucking owned tonight.

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That is what pissed me off the fucking most.


All those easy fucking ass baskets because of the small pussy lineup.

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Normally i would agree with Manu being the playmaker in that spot but not with Artest on him who killed him all night

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The problem with this argument is all of 1 possession earlier for the Spurs Manu took it to Artest and set Finley up for a wide open three.

Your logic is flawed.

People are ignoring the biggest two problems tonight - we were outworked on the glass AGAIN in this series, and Pop had his stupid ass lineups in there.

We give the Kings so many easy baskets throughout this series, so many lay ups, offensive rebounds from shooting guards,I'm getting tired of this shit. This is the weakness.

It takes the Spurs extreme measures just to put 1 point on the damn board. We have been the luckiest mofo fans with all of these buzzer-beating 3's from Finley, Barry, Rasho, Horry, and everyone else on the team.

But we do nothing to stop the easy shit that the Kings get.