Defending Artest and Wells

I don't know if Horry would have mattered at the end of Game 3. But I do know that he's the most logical matchup on Bonzi.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Horry doesn't have bad knees? You are the one that made him a shot blocker.

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He has bad knees??

His only health problems have been abdomen and hip this season, right?

Horry makes big plays at the end of games to win. That's what he does.

Horry somehow would have saved Manu on that play.

Horry can actually jump higher than duncan.

Thats a freakin fact.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He has bad knees??

His only health problems have been abdomen and hip this season, right?

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Are you guys kidding me here? His only injuries might be his abdomen and hip, but he's a six foot ten inch 35 year old professional athlete. Don't you wonder why he doesn't jump out of the building like he did when he was with the Rockets? He can still do it, but just not as much. Robert Horry has had bad knees for years. So do most 35 year old NBA players. Using him up in the first round is almost as stupid as saying he's a better defender than Duncan.

he wouldve gotten the ball from Manu made the three and be fouled on top of it.

Does pop forget this guy beat the Kings single handidly many a times too>

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Are you guys kidding me here? His only injuries might be his abdomen and hip, but he's a six foot ten inch 35 year old professional athlete. Don't you wonder why he doesn't jump out of the building like he did when he was with the Rockets? Robert Horry has had bad knees for years. So do most 35 year old NBA players. Using him up in the first round is almost as stupid as saying he's a better defender than Duncan.

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No one is advocating using him up. We are talking about using him more often (particularly in 4th quarters).

Does Bruce Bowen have bad knees too?

(I never/very, very rarely see Bruce or Robert icing their knees after games -- while many of the younger players plus NVE do every game)

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

No one is advocating using him up. We are talking about using him more often (particularly in 4th quarters).

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At least one person in here seems to be advocating Horry being in instead of Duncan at the end of the game, and that will use him up. My point was simply if you are going to have Horry chasing smaller, quicker guys during the 4th quarter starting in the first round, that asset will not be available to you against better teams, when you might actually need him.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Are you guys kidding me here? His only injuries might be his abdomen and hip, but he's a six foot ten inch 35 year old professional athlete. Don't you wonder why he doesn't jump out of the building like he did when he was with the Rockets? He can still do it, but just not as much.

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Actually he didn't do it that much with the Rockets either...

Horry doesn't do much of anything until it's the final 5 minutes of an important game...then he puts on his cape and turns into one of the best players to ever step foot on a basketball court...This is the essense of Robert Horry, this has always been the essence of Robert Horry...

This is why he alway gets forgotten about in crucial moments...this is why he gets traded and let go(to the title ending misfortune of his past teams).


Horry = Deception

He always looks like he's not paying attention, or like he's not moving well, and often like he doesn't care...And he has always looked like he's in pain when he walks...

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Robert Horry has had bad knees for years. So do most 35 year old NBA players. Using him up in the first round is almost as stupid as saying he's a better defender than Duncan.

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I've never heard of Horry having any kind of knee problems...he's had that stifflegged gimp in his walk/run since he was a rookie...it's just the way he moves. I remember him coming out of nowhere and jumping out of the gym last year in a double OT game against the Clips for the winning block, I think on Shaun Livingston or maybe Kayman...that's probably what TimVP is remembering...

game 5 of last year's finals is an excellent example of what whottt says

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

At least one person in here seems to be advocating Horry being in instead of Duncan at the end of the game, and that will use him up. My point was simply if you are going to have Horry chasing smaller, quicker guys during the 4th quarter starting in the first round, that asset will not be available to you against better teams, when you might actually need him.

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Well last year, Horry played ~25mpg in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and then 28-30mpg in the last two rounds. So far in these 3 games against the Kings, he's averaging about 16mpg.

So I think using him a little more often right now isn't going to hurt.

(By the way, who said to use him in the game instead of Duncan?)

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At least one person in here seems to be advocating Horry being in instead of Duncan at the end of the game, and that will use him up.

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Wha?

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Originally Posted by timvp

Wha?

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Originally Posted by timvp

I bet if Horry was in the game he would have blocked Kevin Martin and the Spurs would be going for the sweep on Sunday. Horry is a basketball genius and one of the clutchest shooters ever.

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You didn't write the above?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Well last year, Horry played ~25mpg in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and then 28-30mpg in the last two rounds. So far in these 3 games against the Kings, he's averaging about 16mpg.

So I think using him a little more often right now isn't going to hurt.

(By the way, who said to use him in the game instead of Duncan?)

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Putting Horry in the game and saying, "Here Rob. Stand on the three point line and shoot it in" vs. putting him in and saying "Here Rob. Guard a guy five inches shorter and five years younger for the fourth quarter. There's nobody behind you to block shots, so chase him around." are not the same kind of minutes, although they might look the same on a box score.

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Originally Posted by whottt

He always looks like he's not paying attention, or like he's not moving well, and often like he doesn't care...And he has always looked like he's in pain when he walks...

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Yep.

Horry likes to look hurt ... then he'll rip your heart out.

Just like Jim Brown used to do :smokin

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Originally Posted by whottt

I remember him coming out of nowhere and jumping out of the gym last year in a double OT game against the Clips for the winning block, I think on Shaun Livingston or maybe Kayman...that's probably what TimVP is remembering...

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It was Mikki Moore. Horry had no business blocking that shot.

Horry just knows how to win games. He'll make the play to help you win, whether it's scoring, rebounding, drawing a charge, blocking a shot or whatever is needed.

nowhere does it say there Id rather have him in there than Duncan.

Dude you been drinkin?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

You didn't write the above?

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Did you miss the part where I said I wanted Rasho, Duncan and Horry in the game?

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But what Ferry was that Horry isn't was physical. Ferry would get into his opponents body and annoy the living crap out of them(he also used to do this to Horry by the way, does anyone remember Horry swiping at Ferry in 02?). Horry is not that physical...and that's probably the only thing Ferry did better than Horry.

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My dream matchup is Ferry on Artest.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Did you miss the part where I said I wanted Rasho, Duncan and Horry in the game?

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But Duncan and Parker were the only ones in any position to make a play on Martin at the end. How would Horry have blocked the shot if he hadn't been in Duncan's spot? Is he the fastest guy in the NBA now too, in addition to being this defensive juggernaut?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

But Duncan and Parker were the only ones in any position to make a play on Martin at the end. How would Horry have blocked the shot if he hadn't been in Duncan's spot? Is he the fastest guy in the NBA now too, in addition to being this defensive juggernaut?

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Horry would have been in Parker's spot on the perimeter.

You don't think Horry makes plays to win games?

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Originally Posted by timvp

Horry would have been in Parker's spot on the perimeter.

You don't think Horry makes plays to win games?

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Are you saying that you don't think Duncan does?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Are you saying that you don't think Duncan does?

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:bang

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Originally Posted by timvp

Plus Artest is shooting like 25% on jumpers since he hurt his thumb. In the playoffs, all he's done is bully smaller players to the rim.

Time to adjust.

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:worthy:
Also the idea to get Horry in on D.

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Originally Posted by timvp

:bang

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Actually, forget it. The lineup you suggested in your first post didn't have Finley. No Finley three, the Spurs lose the game anyway. You can "what if" about Horry to your heart's content. Maybe Mavsfan will join you to compare him to Devin Harris. The only games greater than the ones they are actually in are the ones they miss.

I recall Horry covering Wells a little in this series and not being particularly any more effective.

As for minutes, seems to me Pop has really decided each game to play those players whom he believes are playing the best- as clearly evidenced by Beno's play last game.

The person taking those fourth quarter minutes from Horry is actually Brent Barry a lot of the time.