Horry has played 50 minutes this playoffs and you are giving up on him?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
Nice, I'll be sure to bump this thread.
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Horry has played 50 minutes this playoffs and you are giving up on him?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
Nice, I'll be sure to bump this thread.
:smokin
You can't stop them but you can slow them down a lot more. Bonzi doesn't average 20 and 11 and shoot over 53% in the regular season -- which is what the Spurs are giving up right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RON ARTEST
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Originally Posted by timvp
Show me where I said I'm giving up on him? I said he's a shell of himself on defense and don't put him at the 3. If you read several post up, you'll see that I said he should play more.
"The Spurs' guards also are going to have to refocus their efforts on keeping Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest off the boards. Thanks largely to Duncan's help-side defense, the Spurs did a better job of double-teaming Wells and Artest on Friday, but the two still combined for 26 rebounds."
When the Spurs perimeter players focus more effort on rebounding, that is usually the big difference. I expect to see lots of work for rebounds from Bowen, Finley, Manu, and Barry tonight. It is something the team has talked about all season.
All Pop needs to do is have two big men at least out on the floor.
I agree with timvp i saiddd except i think we should also not play manu at the end of the game
"two big men"
.... which excludes Nazr, who's tall but plays defense so badly, he plays like he was 5'10".
I bet Fabricio would relish the challenge of getting in Bonzi's way.
Robert, Fabricio, Rasho, Sean, but no Nazr.
Nocioni putting up another nice game against the Heat. He sure would have come in handy against Bonzi and Artest. The Spurs' scout that screwed up on his birthday should be hunted down and shot. :depressed
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Originally Posted by picnroll
It's also another example of why this team desperately needs a long three. In today's NBA, you are going to run into horrible matchup like these if you don't have a 6'8-6'10 small forward.
Too bad there are none that are worth a crap that are available.
What I don't get about what Juan is saying is that we don't need Horry to go out there and play like Bowen. We don't need a smothering defense all over Bonzi in order to keep him from lighting us up. We don't need Horry to be some grand defensive stopper that he obviously can't be right now.
What we need him to do is provide long arms and height. Guess what, Horry still has that. As long as he can focus to keep Bonzi out of the paint then we'll be set with that matchup. Bonzi isn't outquicking people, he's out muscling people. Thats always been the hardest part of his game to stop because Wells is so damn strong for a 2/3.
I don't understand how anyone can say he's a shell of anything. What you would base that on is beyond me, but either way he just needs to be long and tall so that he can box out and provide a bigger hurdle for Wells.
KEEP WELLS OFF THE GLASS.
The Spurs needs to have some form of a matchup zone. There's no need to have a big guarding Miller on the perimeter.
No way. Zones - even matchup zones - lead to horrible defensive rebounding. Thats whats killing them at the moment!Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
Well, having Tim Duncan defend Miller on the perimeter doesn't help the rebounding much either.
Whoever you assign the bigs to, the Kings can put those players on the perimeter and isolate on bad matchups in the post. A matchup zone is one way to avoid this.
It's not just rebounding -- 26 rebounds is a lot, sure, but 13 offensive rebounds (including 10 offensive boards for Wells) by those two is ridiculous. Those two didn't shoot the ball very well in Game 3, and sitting there live, I thought the Spurs did a good job (largely) playing defense. Where they got hammered was the second chances that Wells and Artest created.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Actually, I thought Mike Finley did a great job on Artest for the most part -- except on Artest's last two baskets. Finley stayed in front and denied penetration until those two possessions. Then, for whatever reason, he gave Artest the inside (perhaps expecting help?) and Artest beat the Spurs to the rim for easy shots. Finley has the speed and bulk to hang with Artest if he can keep his head and play good positional defense.
I noted the few possessions when Pop played Horry and Duncan on Artest and that certainly did seem to be a promising matchup as well. I'd have a concern about doing that too often with Duncan, because Adelman's easy fix would be to lift Artest and post Wells without the threat of a double by a shot blocker. If you're going to play Artest with a player bigger than Finley, Horry is the much better choice.
Pop also used Barry on Wells at points and gave him double-team help; the double, along with Barry's length, seemed to give Bonzi some problems.
Bruce Bowen's lack of physical strength seems to be turning him into a non-factor in the series.
Small lineup is not working right now!
So much for that idea. Genius Pop does it again.
I was thinking maybe a 2-1-2 zone? Keep our bigs down low to defend the post and our guards on the wings and quit getting murdered by the pick and roll.
zone periodically may help, it's not like our rebounding could be any worse!
We need that Real SPURS to show the hell up!.
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and less of BONZI ;-)!
Yeah. Do you think that could stop Bonzi?........ and maybe we could get some rebounds then?Quote:
Originally Posted by texbumTHElife
If you are playing Euopean zone - yesQuote:
Originally Posted by 4001 STEREO SPUR
Well, Pop put in Horry for a lot this game, he was energitic and looked ready to play, but today's problem was that every Spur sucked major balls and looked like they didn't know the fundamentals of rebounding.
Kenny Smith brought up an interesting point. He said normally the Spurs don't double team. Everytime Wells or Artest would begin to post up, the Spurs would send the double team. When the ball is rotated to the open shooter, it seemed like two Spur defenders would be closing out on the shooter as if they were confused about their responsibility. The defensive rotation was terrible.
Also, I can't remember seeing so many double teams by the Spurs since the Laker/Shaq days. They didn't double Shaq everytime but that seemed like a lot compared to how the Spurs normally play defense up until last night.
What pisses me off is Pop went to Horry on Wells for a stretch in the second quarter ... and then we never saw it again. With Horry on Wells, Wells went out of the paint and camped in the corner. He didn't get any offensive rebounds. He didn't muscle around a smaller Spurs player in the paint. He didn't do anything.
Then Pop takes out Horry to play "small ball" and the freaking dam explodes in his face and the Spurs are down a dozen at halftime. WTF is Pop thinking? The Spurs were actually ahead with Horry guarding Wells.
Then Pop decided to put Brent Barry at power forward :pctoss :pctoss