My problem with Tony Parker

It has become an annual event come playoff time that Tony disappears. Teams have time to game plan for him and he has become a liability during the playoffs. Now save me his line last night because he got those points because he has the ball in his hands 80% of the time. I am extremely dissapointed in our coaching staff and Parker because we know whats coming and Tony struggles which leads to his moping around with an "oh well what can I do" look on his face. When he cannot penetrate and dish we , as a team, have a difficult time even getting a decent shot off. I wonder if our staff and team have the mentality that we are going to play the same way during the playoffs as we did in the reg. season and if it is not good enough 'oh well'. I am by no means blaming Parker for this loss but I am becoming tired of seeing our point guard become irrelevant during the playoffs which now has happened in round one. I wonder if I email Pop and mention to him that teams are going to take away the lane and make Tony a perimeter player and does he have any idea what we will do when this happens. I can accept losing when the other team just kicks are ass like the Kings are but I am very close to losing faith in Tony Parker..yes I know he was a "REGULAR SEASON" all star but at some point this guy is going to have to figure out how to help his team when he cannot penetrate and dish. I've got news for everybody , assuming we get beyond this round, Tony will struggle for the rest of the playoffs and I hope we are all ready for it.

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.

While he is having 50% I have no problem with his shooting. Yes he could involve more teammates, however he rarely does that and we should be all aware of that.
Problem is poor offensive rebounding and in last game Finley's and Beno's percentage.

Don't lay this on Tony Parker. There are 12 guys on that team, and all of them have sucked (with the exception of Tim Duncan) for two whole games. You can't blame this kind of play on one person. They know better. They can play better. But, it's gonna take ALL of them.

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Originally Posted by pache100

Don't lay this on Tony Parker. There are 12 guys on that team, and all of them have sucked (with the exception of Tim Duncan) for two whole games. You can't blame this kind of play on one person. They know better. They can play better. But, it's gonna take ALL of them.

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No I blame the loss on the lack of rebounding and the ability to defend Wells and Artest. If you had read my post no where did I lay this on Parker because he sucks in the playoffs period regardless of the opponent. My point is if we are going to have trouble defending this or anyother team our offensive effciency is going to have to be high and right now Tim Duncan is the only player to raise the level of his game. I don't blame manu either because Artest is that good of a defender.

free beno movement :D:D

see manu is saying mental he was not ready last night because of the bad turnover

and pop was trying to get manu to snap out of it

but we have a thread calling out tp

FREE NVE - the bigger the battle the smaller the French contribution - get a little physical with Parker and he is through. What happened to that jumpshot ? - points in the paint? TOny Parker is the Spurs version of Peja -

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Originally Posted by Gerryatrics

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.

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His outside shot is still streaky at best. I agree, the way to beat the Kings is with ball movement... run them until they ask no more. We need TP to hold less the ball and look for an outlet fast. Either he penetrates and finishes at the rim, or he pass the ball fast. The penetration and kick is not working because the Kings are closing the paint and the passing lanes.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

No I blame the loss on the lack of rebounding and the ability to defend Wells and Artest. If you had read my post no where did I lay this on Parker because he sucks in the playoffs period regardless of the opponent. My point is if we are going to have trouble defending this or anyother team our offensive effciency is going to have to be high and right now Tim Duncan is the only player to raise the level of his game. I don't blame manu either because Artest is that good of a defender.

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Who said I was talking to YOU? I was using "you" in the collective sense. Quit being so sensitive.

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Originally Posted by ducks

see manu is saying mental he was not ready last night because of the bad turnover

and pop was trying to get manu to snap out of it

but we have a thread calling out tp

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Exactly. :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by pache100

Who said I was talking to YOU? I was using "you" in the collective sense. Quit being so sensitive.

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I apologize.I am at wits end with his disappearing act every year.

Barry should do more PG duties. Stick Tony at the 2 since all he does is shoot.

yeah that makes alot of sence to start that right now in the middle of the playoffs

maybe next year but not know
tp helped get them to this point playing point guard

TP isn't the problem. Sure more ball movement would be nice, but really the offense isn't the problem. Rebounds are killing us. We need aggression and we need to crash the boards on both offense and defense.

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Originally Posted by ducks

yeah that makes alot of sence to start that right now in the middle of the playoffs

maybe next year but not know
tp helped get them to this point playing point guard

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There are a lot of teams that change things up in the playoffs. The Lakers are having Kobe play more of a PG role and they are up 3-1. Pop inserted Rasho in the starting lineup last night. Why not have Barry come off the bench and play more point?

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Originally Posted by Ginofan

TP isn't the problem. Sure more ball movement would be nice, but really the offense isn't the problem. Rebounds are killing us. We need aggression and we need to crash the boards on both offense and defense.

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I totally agree. The Spurs have bigger problems than TP. The Spurs are getting out-rebounded by the Kings and are giving up too many points in the paint. I say throw Oberto in and let him go wild.

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Originally Posted by MoSpur

I totally agree. The Spurs have bigger problems than TP. The Spurs are getting out-rebounded by the Kings and are giving up too many points in the paint. I say throw Oberto in and let him go wild.

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Yeah, throwing Oberto out there couldn't be any worse than what we've already seen. Hell, he might just end up being a playoff hero...but he needs playing time.

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Originally Posted by Ginofan

Yeah, throwing Oberto out there couldn't be any worse than what we've already seen. Hell, he might just end up being a playoff hero...but he needs playing time.

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Agreed.

Last night, TP took what was given to him...

and then he took almost everything else and tried to do it himself.

Manu's game was limited by two players: Ron Artest (primarily) and TP. A couple of times, the thought actually crossed my mind TP was freezing out Manu whether intentionally or unintentionally.

I expect TP to get back to being a floor general again Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Express News

With Sacramento packing the lane and daring Parker to beat them with his outside shot the previous two games, Popovich thought his point guard had become too tentative. On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

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http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.

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Originally Posted by 1Parker1

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.

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yeah that is exactly what we want - TP shooting more of those broke jumpers - clang - clang - clang - clang - Tim is 7 for 11 and tony gets 20 shots? luckily he got some layups in there to be at 50% or it would have been realy ugly - clang -- clang - quote of the night when Parker finally hit a jumpshot from Doug COllins, " maybe that will help TOny PArker get his shattered confidence back".

point guards get assists - parker had 1 more than I did last night.

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.

It's funny , but TP and Duncan can play alright, but we will still lose if Bowen and Manu are subpar. Both are very important whether they score many points or not.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.

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has the balls? dude - they go under the screens on Parker for a reason - it is not a mistake that he is wide open to shoot jumpers.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.

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The Tony-haters are never gonna be happy, no matter what he does. If he does exactly what they are saying they want in the very next game, they will find something else to whine about.

Whine about the whole team (I'm not talking to anyone specifically)! They all (except Timmy) sucked last night. I still do not understand why, when every other team has one player with a "bad night" the rest step up and take up his slack...but with the Spurs, when one guy has a bad night, it catches like typhoid and they all smell like crap. What gives with that?

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Originally Posted by implacable44

has the balls? dude - they go under the screens on Parker for a reason - it is not a mistake that he is wide open to shoot jumpers.

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I'm not sure you understood the point of my post.


But it's good to see you back again.

Manu can be awfull, make a worse season, be in holliday for a lots of games if he do a great game is an heroe and he can struggle for the 10 games following.
Tony can do for all of the games the best, if he makes 1 bad game we can see bashing for the 10 games following.
Tony make a average game 4 and it's his fault because the others players except Tim struggle.

nice tony's haters

Reggie Evans has Tony's balls in a jar

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Originally Posted by pache100

The Tony-haters are never gonna be happy, no matter what he does. If he does exactly what they are saying they want in the very next game, they will find something else to whine about.

Whine about the whole team (I'm not talking to anyone specifically)! They all (except Timmy) sucked last night. I still do not understand why, when every other team has one player with a "bad night" the rest step up and take up his slack...but with the Spurs, when one guy has a bad night, it catches like typhoid and they all smell like crap. What gives with that?

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one bad night? tony has sucked in every playoff run..

the memory is strange
when is Manu you forget the bad and just remember the finals

for TP you forget the good and just remember the finals stats (but not the defense behind hamilton in the game 5)

just stupid

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Originally Posted by 1Parker1

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.

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DAME AHF WILL HATE POP MORE NOW

hopefully he will find the right ballance but he has to take the open shot if he does not the o will suffer
that is why every one was all over barry for passing up shots

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Originally Posted by Lady M

the memory is strange
when is Manu you forget the bad and just remember the finals

for TP you forget the good and just remember the finals stats (but not the defense behind hamilton in the game 5)

just stupid

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substitute the kings with seattle, detroit,nj nets, lakers..tony sucked in all those series..

the only final stat i am concerned with is the win/loss column

You guys (tp's bashers) are sicks... Just curious but who's the best player in the serie so far ?

Tim's not really Tim but one game, Manu was manu for one game and is struggling for the whole serie, Bruce is nowhere, Nazr ? NVE ? Mike ? Come on you guys are weirds...

I hope that they can keep it against a "way better than an eight seeded" opponent. After that everything will be fine (even though rebounding is becoming a big problem...).

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Originally Posted by SMLT

You guys (tp's bashers) are sicks... Just curious but who's the best player in the serie so far ?

Tim's not really Tim but one game, Manu was manu for one game and is struggling for the whole serie, Bruce is nowhere, Nazr ? NVE ? Mike ? Come on you guys are weirds...

I hope that they can keep it against a "way better than an eight seeded" opponent. After that everything will be fine (even though rebounding is becoming a big problem...).

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The best player in the series at this point is bonzi wells..why is it weird for pointing out tony disappears in the playoffs and not just these games but every playoff season... this is fact... By the way the real reason I am more frustrated with parker is because he HAS THE FREAKING BALL IN HIS HANDS 75% OF THE TIME! None of the other guys you mentioned don't come close to touching the ball more than he does.. please don't tell me you enjoy seeing tony dribble the ball for 15-16 seconds to then drive the lane and force a shot that leads to a fast break opportunity to whomever we play? what about when he forces a drive that leads to a stolen pass.?

Classic.

Where's the trade Manu and fire Pop thread?

They should have been started about a decade before someone started this crap.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Classic.

Where's the trade Manu and fire Pop thread?

They should have been started about a decade before someone started this crap.

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I resemble that. Kori let me ask you one question. Does Tony Parker disappear in the playoffs on a regular basis?

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On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I resemble that. Kori let me ask you one question. Does Tony Parker disappear in the playoffs on a regular basis?

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He hasn't so far this year he's played 4 games and has scored over 20 in three of them.

I'm only talking about this season - the season in which he's a completely different player than last year.

If you go by this season, then I guess Manu is the one who disappears.

Manu had PLENTY of chances to make a mark. If he wasn't passing up open shots last night, he was making bad passes. If Manu is playing like a wuss, Tony has to shoot more. I don't think Tony was All-World or anything last night, but to say he effected Manu is weak because Manu could have made an impact if he wasn't so sad :cry

No one has a problem with taking open jump shots in the flow of the offense but to dominate the ball when your are arguably the 3rd best player on your team?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

No one has a problem with taking open jump shots in the flow of the offense but to dominate the ball when your are arguably the 3rd best player on your team?

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Originally Posted by MySA

On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

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He's doing what he's told.

And give me a fucking break. This season Tony was the best player on the team. Tim was injured all year. Manu missed a ton of games. And right now apparently Manu is still "upset" over a turnover 4 days ago. I'm not sure what you expect from Tony. You should have started this thread after game 3 if you wanted a little credibility. Starting it today is embarrassing.

I didn't see all of the game, but seemed like Parker wasn't going for the rim like usual. He had what, 2 layups, 2 FTs and 3 TOS? and a bunch of buckets from mid-range? Does he just need to be a little more aggressive, like attack the basket at least a few times each quarter?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He hasn't so far this year he's played 4 games and has scored over 20 in three of them.

I'm only talking about this season - the season in which he's a completely different player than last year.

If you go by this season, then I guess Manu is the one who disappears.

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Well we can all decide for ourselves what we expect from our point guard since he dominates the ball. Manu has had bad games as well as Tim and everyother player but Tony stinks on a regular basis in the playoffs since he has become a Spur. I don't hammer manu because for one has arguably the best on the ball defender in the league and we do not rely on him to distribute the ball..

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Well we can all decide for ourselves what we expect from our point guard since he dominates the ball. Manu has had bad games as well as Tim and everyother player but Tony stinks on a regular basis in the playoffs since he has become a Spur. I don't hammer manu because for one has arguably the best on the ball defender in the league and we do not rely on him to distribute the ball..

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Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He's doing what he's told.

And give me a fucking break. This season Tony was the best player on the team. Tim was injured all year. Manu missed a ton of games. And right now apparently Manu is still "upset" over a turnover 4 days ago. I'm not sure what you expect from Tony. You should have started this thread after game 3 if you wanted a little credibility. Starting it today is embarrassing.

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As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

The only player doing anything is Parker. Ginobili has disappeared. He forgot to bring his game to Sacramento.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

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Last year Tony averaged 17 ppg in the postseason.

Yes, when they collapsed the lane on him (especially in the Detroit series), he didn't have a solution because he couldn't hit a jumpshot in the past.

And no, I don't expect Tony Parker to lead us to a Championship.

I expect Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Tim Duncan to lead us to a Championship.

Anyone who's been watching the Spurs knows Parker had a green light to shoot. If he didn't, Pop would have reined him in before the 2nd half ever started.

I saw Tony Francis miss on plenty of opportunities to hit an open man.

I love Tony Parker, and I loved the increased confidence but I was less than enamored with the temporary emergence of Tony Francis.

:smokin

Meanwhile, the Spurs lost because they played soft and Wells, Artest, Martin, and Miller were playing inspired basketball. They basically owned the Spurs once they smelled blood in the closing minutes of the 2nd quarter.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Meanwhile, the Spurs lost because they played soft and Wells, Artest, Martin, and Miller were playing inspired basketball. They basically owned the Spurs once they smelled blood in the closing minutes of the 2nd quarter.

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Parker should be attacking Bibby more. Bibby can't stop Parker.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Parker should be attacking Bibby more. Bibby can't stop Parker.

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BeeBee

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?

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No one on our team can defend Wells or Artest so I do not hold manu strictly responsible. Look we all understand that possessions are of a premium in the playoffs. Tony handles the ball way to much even though he is the point guard. How many mulligans are we going to give him for running down the shot clock to then driving the lane and forcing a shot or throwing a bad pass.. I do not blame Tony completely for this I also blame our coaching staff for not telling Tony that some days he is not going to be able to get to the basket.. I want him to make our team better even if he cannot play his game..If his game is not on our whole team suffers unlike if manu if he has a bad game..

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

No one on our team can defend Wells or Artest so I do not hold manu strictly responsible. Look we all understand that possessions are of a premium in the playoffs. Tony handles the ball way to much even though he is the point guard. How many mulligans are we going to give him for running down the shot clock to then driving the lane and forcing a shot or throwing a bad pass.. I do not blame Tony completely for this I also blame our coaching staff for not telling Tony that some days he is not going to be able to get to the basket.. I want him to make our team better even if he cannot play his game..If his game is not on our whole team suffers unlike if manu if he has a bad game..

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Okay then blame the coaching staff.

Believe me, Tony only does what he is told. Pop rules Tony.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?

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Did he get a jumper that I wasn't aware of ? There is a reason the Kings go under the screen on Parker - there is a reason they leave him and dare him to shoot jumpers - you have to know it isn't by accident don't you ? teams want him to shoot jumpers because his jumper is BROKE.

1 assist last night ? 1 assist? heck tim was 7 of 11 from the field - he should have gotten at least 20 shots - not Parker. He is the PG and on this team with all these shooters he should be passing - he should be creating scoring opportunities for his team- he doesn't do that. He either gets to the rim with his speed or he is steve francis without the hops -- dribble - dribble -- dribble - dribble some more -- shoot.

Of course the lane is closed - there is no secret to stopping Parker - close the lane and if needed knock him on his butt and he will fade just like he did against the Lakers a few years back and the Pistons last year.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Last year Tony averaged 17 ppg in the postseason.

Yes, when they collapsed the lane on him (especially in the Detroit series), he didn't have a solution because he couldn't hit a jumpshot in the past.

And no, I don't expect Tony Parker to lead us to a Championship.

I expect Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Tim Duncan to lead us to a Championship.

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Well Kori everyone is collapsing on us now.. that is why I mentioned his disappearing has happened in the first round this year. I have no choice to support the guy because he is our point guard but that does not mean I have to be enamored with him. One other thing I abhor his moping on the court when things don't go his way..

The problem is rebounding.....

Way, way too many second chance points by the Kings.....

At one point last night we were out shooting them by 6 or 7 percent, yet trailing by four or five points......

If they keep beating us to death on second chance points. We are done for...

I don't get this thread. The offense is good enough.

It's defense and rebounding. Parker could be John Stockton out there and the Spurs would still get beat because they can't get a freaking rebound or get a stop to save their lives.

how many players in the nba shoot a higher % on jumpers then 46%
that is what tp has done since the allstar game



names please

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I don't get this thread. The offense is good enough.

It's defense and rebounding. Parker could be John Stockton out there and the Spurs would still get beat because they can't get a freaking rebound or get a stop to save their lives.

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So you have to bring up us getting our a$$es kicked on the boards and porous defense..

I just don't get all these threads about stuff that is so secondary.

Tony has scored 22/25/12/22 points in the series. When he didn't score enough in game 3, Pop told him to keep shooting from outside. Last night he hit four jumpers and six layups. Sure, the ball movement wasn't great. But that isn't the main problem of the Spurs.

After each game of this series, Spurs fans should be starting one thread -- BONZI WELLS IS KICKING OUR ASS. That's the only thing that's happening this series. It's pretty simple -- Bonzi is averaging 21 and 12 and shooting FIFTY-NINE percent from the floor.

Slow down Bonzi Wells.

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Originally Posted by ducks

how many players in the nba shoot a higher % on jumpers then 46%
that is what tp has done since the allstar game



names please

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jumpers? as in outside the lane ? I call bulls--- on that -- you will have to show me that for me to believe that.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

jumpers? as in outside the lane ? I call bulls--- on that -- you will have to show me that for me to believe that.

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The stats were proven yesterday in another thread. You'll have to go look for it.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I just don't get all these threads about stuff that is so secondary.

Tony has scored 22/25/12/22 points in the series. When he didn't score enough in game 3, Pop told him to keep shooting from outside. Last night he hit four jumpers and six layups. Sure, the ball movement wasn't great. But that isn't the main problem of the Spurs.

After each game of this series, Spurs fans should be starting one thread -- BONZI WELLS IS KICKING OUR ASS. That's the only thing that's happening this series. It's pretty simple -- Bonzi is averaging 21 and 12 and shooting FIFTY-NINE percent from the floor.

Slow down Bonzi Wells.

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shoot more after game 3 ? - dude was 4 for 13 - he shoots enough. - the he turned around and threw up ( pun intended) 20 shots and got 1 assist when TImmy could have dominated the game but only got up 11 shots.

No doubt the thread should be - stop bonzie wells - somebody cowboy the hell up and stop bonzi wells. The Spurs are making him look like Jordan. Knock that dude on his butt once or twice -get in his head - you already know both he and artest are mental - get in somebody's head.

REBOUND -- good lord get a rebound. The Spurs play with no heart -- no hunger --- they are just going through the motions.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

One other thing I abhor his moping on the court when things don't go his way..

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Link? I have NEVER seen Tony "mope". He puts his head down and grinds it out when he makes a mistake or when "things don't go his way". Geez. Even when he comes back in the game from getting his ass chewed by Pop, he has a positive attitude (and he takes everything Pop says to him to heart and can almost repeat it back to you word for word...weeks later). Tony Parker is one of the most humble players on the team. You're gonna have to get serious and quit joking around if you want me to listen to your arguments. You just invalidated anything you've said so far, IMO, with that remark.

parker got 10 assist in one game but still tp was not good enough in that game either


he got the green light from pop


what was mike and manu shooting % last night manu was 1-4 that is right 25%


tp needs to balance shooting and assist out but the o is fine

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Originally Posted by pache100

Link? I have NEVER seen Tony "mope". He puts his head down and grinds it out when he makes a mistake or when "things don't go his way". Geez. Even when he comes back in the game from getting his ass chewed by Pop, he has a positive attitude (and he takes everything Pop says to him to heart and can almost repeat it back to you word for word...weeks later). Tony Parker is one of the most humble players on the team. You're gonna have to get serious and quit joking around if you want me to listen to your arguments. You just invalidated anything you've said so far, IMO, with that remark.

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humble-
1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.
4. courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong.
5. low in height, level, etc.; small in size: a humble member of the galaxy



mope-
1. to be sunk in dejection or listless apathy; sulk; brood.

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Originally Posted by ducks

parker got 10 assist in one game but still tp was not good enough in that game either


he got the green light from pop


what was mike and manu shooting % last night manu was 1-4 that is right 25%


tp needs to balance shooting and assist out but the o is fine

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All I can say, ducks, is I'm soooo thankful this clown is not the coach of the Spurs. We need to keep him at least three counties away from the AT&T Center. :madrun

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

humble-
1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.
4. courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong.
5. low in height, level, etc.; small in size: a humble member of the galaxy



mope-
1. to be sunk in dejection or listless apathy; sulk; brood.

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Yes? And?

(You just proved my point, thanks! That summed up what I said very nicely - the definition of humble describes Tony Parker to a T).

Rebounding.

Bonzi Wells.

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Originally Posted by pache100

All I can say, ducks, is I'm soooo thankful this clown is not the coach of the Spurs. We need to keep him at least three counties away from the AT&T Center. :madrun

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clown? shouldn't you understand the meaning of a word before you use it?


So I must agree tony force your way into the lane..force up contested shots.. dibble the shot clock out..

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Originally Posted by timvp

Rebounding.

Bonzi Wells.

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I would add interior D as well. Certainly before discussing Parker.

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Originally Posted by pache100

Yes? And?

(You just proved my point, thanks! That summed up what I said very nicely - the definition of humble describes Tony Parker to a T).

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but i said he moped.. you responded with he was humble... your not very bright are you?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

clown? shouldn't you understand the meaning of a word before you use it?


So I must agree tony force your way into the lane..force up contested shots.. dibble the shot clock out..

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Yeah. I do. I'm a grownup (53 yrs old, to be exact). I know the meaning of the word and it's appropriate here. Very appropriate. And every time you post, you prove it.

Get back with me when you want to have a serious conversation.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

but i said he moped.. you responded with he was humble... your not very bright are you?

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That one speaks for itself. :rolleyes

I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break

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I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break

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im still waiting for the proof - we are talking jumpers -- outside the lane right ?

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Originally Posted by implacable44

im still waiting for the proof - we are talking jumpers -- outside the lane right ?

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Yeah jumpers outside 16 feet.

Similar to the two 20-footers he knocked down in the first quarter yesterday.

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Originally Posted by ducks

I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break

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We are talking playoffs as the original post stated

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im still waiting for the proof - we are talking jumpers -- outside the lane right ?

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Deny...demand proof...deny the proof. Geez...one would think you are a Republican.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

We are talking playoffs as the original post stated

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He hit four jumpers yesterday. Two 20-footers in the first quarter.

Parker isn't infallible. Sometimes he still gets tunnel vision. Sometimes he still sucks from the outside. But he's really not a primary problem right now.

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Deny...demand proof...deny the proof. Geez...one would think you are a Republican.

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your a fellow democrat.. :depressed

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

your a fellow democrat.. :depressed

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And proud of it.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He hit four jumpers yesterday. Two 20-footers in the first quarter.

Parker isn't infallible. Sometimes he still gets tunnel vision. Sometimes he still sucks from the outside. But he's really not a primary problem right now.

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Maybe I should have spoken my peace in 2004 rather than allow TP's inadequacies build up... I held them in until now..!

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Yeah jumpers outside 16 feet.

Similar to the two 20-footers he knocked down in the first quarter yesterday.

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compared to the 6 he missed?

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Originally Posted by implacable44

compared to the 6 he missed?

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He didn't miss jumpers in the first quarter. He shot 50% on the night and made four jumpers and six layups.

Pop told him specifically to shoot more after game 3 because they wanted him to stay confident in shooting the jumper.

If you don't agree with the philosophy, then I guess blame Pop.

Some of you like Parker shooting alot and there is nothing wrong with him shooting or being aggressive BUT there's a difference between being agressive and getting your TEAM involved. He has to find a way to be assertive but get everyone involved also.

Personally I think that is the MAIN problem!!!!!

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

We are talking playoffs as the original post stated

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ok playoffs this season
pop broght in chip to fix tp shot so last season does not count

Well the MAIN problem is the Spurs are allowing Bonzi Wells to put up over 20 and 12 on over 55% shooting. The Spurs aren't losing games because of their offense right now.

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Originally Posted by Thekid

Some of you like Parker shooting alot and there is nothing wrong with him shooting or being aggressive BUT there's a difference between being agressive and getting your TEAM involved. He has to find a way to be assertive but get everyone involved also.

Personally I think that is the MAIN problem!!!!!

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allowering wells to shoot 59% getting over 12 rebounds a game is not the main problem?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He didn't miss jumpers in the first quarter. He shot 50% on the night and made four jumpers and six layups.

Pop told him specifically to shoot more after game 3 because they wanted him to stay confident in shooting the jumper.

If you don't agree with the philosophy, then I guess blame Pop.

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i dont care if he missed the jumpers in the first or second half - he missed 6 of them

"1 assist last night ? 1 assist? heck tim was 7 of 11 from the field - he should have gotten at least 20 shots - not Parker. He is the PG and on this team with all these shooters he should be passing - he should be creating scoring opportunities for his team- he doesn't do that. He either gets to the rim with his speed or he is steve francis without the hops -- dribble - dribble -- dribble - dribble some more -- shoot. "

Amen to this comment whoever said this. Defense is definately a problem and rebounding BUT Bonzi had a game out of his mind lastnight. If he has ANOTHER game like he did lastnight then I would be concerned but I don't think he'll play that well throughout the series.

and made 4

so he was 4-10 from jumpers
missing 6+4 means he shot 10
he made 4

therefore he was shooting 40% for jumpers


which spur player shot better then that yesterday with jumpers?

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Originally Posted by Thekid

"1 assist last night ? 1 assist? heck tim was 7 of 11 from the field - he should have gotten at least 20 shots - not Parker. He is the PG and on this team with all these shooters he should be passing - he should be creating scoring opportunities for his team- he doesn't do that. He either gets to the rim with his speed or he is steve francis without the hops -- dribble - dribble -- dribble - dribble some more -- shoot. "

Amen to this comment whoever said this. Defense is definately a problem and rebounding BUT Bonzi had a game out of his mind lastnight. If he has ANOTHER game like he did lastnight then I would be concerned but I don't think he'll play that well throughout the series.

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boniz had 3 great games

he is not going to go away unless spurs change something

Oh well, are we going to blame Tony each time he misses a shoot? Everyone missed, at every game! Tony has the better percentage in the team.
Let's talk about rebouds, which is the biggest problem of the Spurs so far. Let's talk about Manu who blows half of his games.

I can't believe 6 missed jumpers are such a big deal in a game we lost by 20.

I guess if he had passed those 6 times and the other player had scored every single time, we might've only lost by 6.


It's hard out here for a Frenchie.

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Originally Posted by ducks

and made 4

so he was 4-10 from jumpers
missing 6+4 means he shot 10
he made 4

therefore he was shooting 40% for jumpers


which spur player shot better then that yesterday with jumpers?

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Actually he only missed 5 jumpers unless you are counting a 9 footer.

So he was 4/9 on jumpers and 6/11 on layups/runners.

You can complain about game 3 if you want -- that's justified. But don't complain about game 4.