My problem with Tony Parker

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.

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The Tony-haters are never gonna be happy, no matter what he does. If he does exactly what they are saying they want in the very next game, they will find something else to whine about.

Whine about the whole team (I'm not talking to anyone specifically)! They all (except Timmy) sucked last night. I still do not understand why, when every other team has one player with a "bad night" the rest step up and take up his slack...but with the Spurs, when one guy has a bad night, it catches like typhoid and they all smell like crap. What gives with that?

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Originally Posted by implacable44

has the balls? dude - they go under the screens on Parker for a reason - it is not a mistake that he is wide open to shoot jumpers.

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I'm not sure you understood the point of my post.


But it's good to see you back again.

Manu can be awfull, make a worse season, be in holliday for a lots of games if he do a great game is an heroe and he can struggle for the 10 games following.
Tony can do for all of the games the best, if he makes 1 bad game we can see bashing for the 10 games following.
Tony make a average game 4 and it's his fault because the others players except Tim struggle.

nice tony's haters

Reggie Evans has Tony's balls in a jar

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Originally Posted by pache100

The Tony-haters are never gonna be happy, no matter what he does. If he does exactly what they are saying they want in the very next game, they will find something else to whine about.

Whine about the whole team (I'm not talking to anyone specifically)! They all (except Timmy) sucked last night. I still do not understand why, when every other team has one player with a "bad night" the rest step up and take up his slack...but with the Spurs, when one guy has a bad night, it catches like typhoid and they all smell like crap. What gives with that?

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one bad night? tony has sucked in every playoff run..

the memory is strange
when is Manu you forget the bad and just remember the finals

for TP you forget the good and just remember the finals stats (but not the defense behind hamilton in the game 5)

just stupid

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Originally Posted by 1Parker1

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.

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DAME AHF WILL HATE POP MORE NOW

hopefully he will find the right ballance but he has to take the open shot if he does not the o will suffer
that is why every one was all over barry for passing up shots

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Originally Posted by Lady M

the memory is strange
when is Manu you forget the bad and just remember the finals

for TP you forget the good and just remember the finals stats (but not the defense behind hamilton in the game 5)

just stupid

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substitute the kings with seattle, detroit,nj nets, lakers..tony sucked in all those series..

the only final stat i am concerned with is the win/loss column

You guys (tp's bashers) are sicks... Just curious but who's the best player in the serie so far ?

Tim's not really Tim but one game, Manu was manu for one game and is struggling for the whole serie, Bruce is nowhere, Nazr ? NVE ? Mike ? Come on you guys are weirds...

I hope that they can keep it against a "way better than an eight seeded" opponent. After that everything will be fine (even though rebounding is becoming a big problem...).

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Originally Posted by SMLT

You guys (tp's bashers) are sicks... Just curious but who's the best player in the serie so far ?

Tim's not really Tim but one game, Manu was manu for one game and is struggling for the whole serie, Bruce is nowhere, Nazr ? NVE ? Mike ? Come on you guys are weirds...

I hope that they can keep it against a "way better than an eight seeded" opponent. After that everything will be fine (even though rebounding is becoming a big problem...).

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The best player in the series at this point is bonzi wells..why is it weird for pointing out tony disappears in the playoffs and not just these games but every playoff season... this is fact... By the way the real reason I am more frustrated with parker is because he HAS THE FREAKING BALL IN HIS HANDS 75% OF THE TIME! None of the other guys you mentioned don't come close to touching the ball more than he does.. please don't tell me you enjoy seeing tony dribble the ball for 15-16 seconds to then drive the lane and force a shot that leads to a fast break opportunity to whomever we play? what about when he forces a drive that leads to a stolen pass.?

Classic.

Where's the trade Manu and fire Pop thread?

They should have been started about a decade before someone started this crap.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Classic.

Where's the trade Manu and fire Pop thread?

They should have been started about a decade before someone started this crap.

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I resemble that. Kori let me ask you one question. Does Tony Parker disappear in the playoffs on a regular basis?

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On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I resemble that. Kori let me ask you one question. Does Tony Parker disappear in the playoffs on a regular basis?

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He hasn't so far this year he's played 4 games and has scored over 20 in three of them.

I'm only talking about this season - the season in which he's a completely different player than last year.

If you go by this season, then I guess Manu is the one who disappears.

Manu had PLENTY of chances to make a mark. If he wasn't passing up open shots last night, he was making bad passes. If Manu is playing like a wuss, Tony has to shoot more. I don't think Tony was All-World or anything last night, but to say he effected Manu is weak because Manu could have made an impact if he wasn't so sad :cry

No one has a problem with taking open jump shots in the flow of the offense but to dominate the ball when your are arguably the 3rd best player on your team?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

No one has a problem with taking open jump shots in the flow of the offense but to dominate the ball when your are arguably the 3rd best player on your team?

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Originally Posted by MySA

On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

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He's doing what he's told.

And give me a fucking break. This season Tony was the best player on the team. Tim was injured all year. Manu missed a ton of games. And right now apparently Manu is still "upset" over a turnover 4 days ago. I'm not sure what you expect from Tony. You should have started this thread after game 3 if you wanted a little credibility. Starting it today is embarrassing.

I didn't see all of the game, but seemed like Parker wasn't going for the rim like usual. He had what, 2 layups, 2 FTs and 3 TOS? and a bunch of buckets from mid-range? Does he just need to be a little more aggressive, like attack the basket at least a few times each quarter?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He hasn't so far this year he's played 4 games and has scored over 20 in three of them.

I'm only talking about this season - the season in which he's a completely different player than last year.

If you go by this season, then I guess Manu is the one who disappears.

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Well we can all decide for ourselves what we expect from our point guard since he dominates the ball. Manu has had bad games as well as Tim and everyother player but Tony stinks on a regular basis in the playoffs since he has become a Spur. I don't hammer manu because for one has arguably the best on the ball defender in the league and we do not rely on him to distribute the ball..

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

Well we can all decide for ourselves what we expect from our point guard since he dominates the ball. Manu has had bad games as well as Tim and everyother player but Tony stinks on a regular basis in the playoffs since he has become a Spur. I don't hammer manu because for one has arguably the best on the ball defender in the league and we do not rely on him to distribute the ball..

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Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

He's doing what he's told.

And give me a fucking break. This season Tony was the best player on the team. Tim was injured all year. Manu missed a ton of games. And right now apparently Manu is still "upset" over a turnover 4 days ago. I'm not sure what you expect from Tony. You should have started this thread after game 3 if you wanted a little credibility. Starting it today is embarrassing.

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As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

The only player doing anything is Parker. Ginobili has disappeared. He forgot to bring his game to Sacramento.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

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Last year Tony averaged 17 ppg in the postseason.

Yes, when they collapsed the lane on him (especially in the Detroit series), he didn't have a solution because he couldn't hit a jumpshot in the past.

And no, I don't expect Tony Parker to lead us to a Championship.

I expect Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Tim Duncan to lead us to a Championship.

Anyone who's been watching the Spurs knows Parker had a green light to shoot. If he didn't, Pop would have reined him in before the 2nd half ever started.

I saw Tony Francis miss on plenty of opportunities to hit an open man.

I love Tony Parker, and I loved the increased confidence but I was less than enamored with the temporary emergence of Tony Francis.

:smokin

Meanwhile, the Spurs lost because they played soft and Wells, Artest, Martin, and Miller were playing inspired basketball. They basically owned the Spurs once they smelled blood in the closing minutes of the 2nd quarter.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

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