Why Duncan is so GOOD?

Its not freon mavs man 41 is on those ROCKS BEYOTCH!!!

lmao calm down you guys i was joking about everything except the part where jordan is the greatest player of all time

but seriously i think you can make a good case for karl malone as the greatest power forward. the guy was in the finals every year if it wasnt for jordan he would have alot of rings.

Just cuz he is!

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Originally Posted by V-Murder

I know that this is a spurs forum, and I know that you don't make up the majority of the spurs fans out there, but trying to make any kind of comment that goes against the spurs is like spitting at rain with the majority of you. It isn't a knock on spurs fans in general because I know a bunch of people and none of them make statements that are as ridiculous as some of the statements I have seen here over the past few days, unless they are joking. The majority of mavs fans are just as ridiculous on this board though. To say that Duncan won't end up in the top 50 of all time if pretty dumb, I think he will. The arguement about Dirk not having any rings there for he isn't as good as Duncan; neither did Karl Malone, Stockton, Barkley, and I am sure a few others that are currently on the top 50.

Duncan is an amazing player, and we all know that, but to say that he is a god is a little much. He has good footwork and a plethora of moves in the low-post, he is a good rebounder, shot blocker, he can hit from the elbows (he is great using the glass), and he is a decent ball handler. Dirk's game is totally different, and it isn't much of a stretch to say that Dirk will probably go down as the best European player to come into the NBA, until some other guy comes in and knocks him out. I almost expect someone to chime in and say that Beno Udrih is going to be the best European player ever now.

The starters for the ASG are also the most popular players. A great example would be a few years ago in Jordan's last season when VC got a starting position and had hardly played. This year in the West, T-Mac and Yao were voted in as starters while playing maybe half of the games. Amare was on the ballot to be a starter and he got a bunch of votes, even though it had been stated that he wouldn't play until AFTER the all-star break at the earliest. It is a popularity contest. If it was based on pure talent, there is still a great chance that Duncan would be a starter, but to say that he is a starter because he is better is a joke because we all know that it is popularity contest until they name the reserves (assuming that the better players haven't been voted in).

Some of the people in here need to grow up.

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If someone said he was a "god", that was just silly.

And yes, starting in the all-star game doesn't prove much -- look at Yao's history there.

The ability to lead your team to a title isn't the only criterion for how great a player is, but it's still pretty important. Do you think Jordan would be remembered the same way without any rings? Some great players get bad breaks and never win a title -- it's unfortunate, but the fact that they were never able to prove themselves on the biggest stage has to be a strike against them. Barkley would trade a hell of a lot of career highlights for a ring, and I bet the Mailman would as well. Duncan has proven he can lead a team to a title, not once, but three times. He had to beat the Shaq/Kobe Lakers for one, and the defending champion Pistons for another. That's a pretty big fucking deal.

Dirk may yet lead his team to a title. Or multiple titles. He may win MVP awards. But he hasn't yet. Right now, he's proven he's a legit MVP candidate. That's a big step. But he hasn't proven he's an all-timer. When he takes his team further or wins MVP awards, he'll start to stake his claim to that level. But for now, he is what he is.

Don't worry I took it seriously until I read that Shawn Kemp part. He was better at making babies though. Dudes fish swim upstream better than salmon in the Columbia river!

I can't believe I'm responding to this.

Duncan's resume speaks for itself. You can argue that he isn't the best player in the world right now -- I'd probably agree with you. But you can't argue that he isn't the most accomplished player in the world right now. He's done things that only the greatest of the great have ever done. Is he on Jordan's level? No. Russell, Magic, Kareem? No. But if you look at his accomplishments -- how he's judged compared to his peers, Duncan's resume is similar to, say, Larry Bird's resume. Multiple MVP's, multiple titles, undisputed all-star, perrenial All-NBA performer. More than that, Duncan is one of the dominant defensive players of this or most other eras.

You can dislike him because he's "boring" -- winning so consistently time gets really boring, I'm sure. His peers think he's one of the very best. I'll take their voices and votes over those of some clowns in an internet forum.

Duncan isn't a top 50 player of all-time; he's a top 15 player of all-time.

I can see the argument for Karl Malone. That's where I placed him until the '03 championship, plus I think Tim has him beat b/c he is a better post defender. Malone just uses his hands to swipe. Never known for his shot blocking

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Originally Posted by RC's Boss

I can see the argument for Karl Malone. That's where I placed him until the '03 championship, plus I think Tim has him beat b/c he is a better post defender. Malone just uses his hands to swipe. Never known for his shot blocking

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shot blocking doesnt make you a good defender by itself. Its whatever keeps the other guy from scoring. in that case your own bruce bowen would be a terrible defensive player.

I'm sure Tim Duncan has made the All-Defensive team every year of his career because he's a crappy defender.

I disagree, Duncan is no Larry Bird, but I do rate him higher than Kareem. This should be a new thread, but my GOATS are in order Jordan, Magic and Bird (tie), Hakeem the Dream (sounds crazy, but dude would've shitted on Russell and Wilt not his fault the absolute GOAT played during his peak), Big O and Jerry West (tie), I would put Tim somewhere behind Russell and Wilt probably tied w/ Shaq not based of rings, but all around, pound 4 pound play (my opinion of course)

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I'm sure Tim Duncan has made the All-Defensive team every year of his career because he's a crappy defender.

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nobody said duncan wasnt a good defender. As a mavs fan ill be the first to admit hes a much better defender than dirk can ever hope to be.

Post defense and perimeter defense or 2 different things bruh! Does Ben Wallace lead the league in steals?!?!?!?!

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Originally Posted by ndnjumpman

i knew some faggot would come out and say that...thats the ONLY reason you have...after we beat yall this series/(friday) THEN talk to me

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Dirk got game though! :fro

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Originally Posted by RC's Boss

I disagree, Duncan is no Larry Bird, but I do rate him higher than Kareem. This should be a new thread, but my GOATS are in order Jordan, Magic and Bird (tie), Hakeem the Dream (sounds crazy, but dude would've shitted on Russell and Wilt not his fault the absolute GOAT played during his peak), Big O and Jerry West (tie), I would put Tim somewhere behind Russell and Wilt probably tied w/ Shaq not based of rings, but all around, pound 4 pound play (my opinion of course)

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What I said is that Duncan's resume looks a whole lot like Bird's. I didn't say he was Larry Bird or try to equate the two. I just said that, in comparison to his contemporaries, Duncan has a sheet of accomplishments that are similar to those of a guy who is undoubtedly one of the 10 best players of all-time.

Feigning doubt about whether Tim Duncan is one of the top 50 players of all time demonstrates a lack of knowledge or a pure-on hatred; neither is a substitute for analyzing the facts.

fo sho

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Originally Posted by RC's Boss

Post defense and perimeter defense or 2 different things bruh! Does Ben Wallace lead the league in steals?!?!?!?!

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He ranks in the top 10 I believe... which is damn good for a center.

Yeah I read that over again and realized it, sorry. Wait a minute! Lack of knowledge? Analyzing facts? It's a forum! I'm still feeling the Grey Goose vodka from my playoff party so pardon me for having a little fun on my soapbox.

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Originally Posted by RC's Boss

Yeah I read that over again and realized it, sorry. Wait a minute! Lack of knowledge? Analyzing facts? It's a forum! I'm still feeling the Grey Goose vodka from my playoff party so pardon me for having a little fun on my soapbox.

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You're forgiven.

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Originally Posted by Mavs_man_41

but seriously i think you can make a good case for karl malone as the greatest power forward. the guy was in the finals every year if it wasnt for jordan he would have alot of rings.

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How is getting there three times (only twice as a superstar) every year? That's the same number as Duncan, except Duncan's 3-0 and Malone's 0-3.

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Originally Posted by V-Murder

I almost expect someone to chime in and say that Beno Udrih is going to be the best European player ever now.

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No, Sasha Vujacic is going to be the best European player ever - Kobe already changed his number, so Sasha can have his number 8, which he had in Europe, back. Kobe knows greatness.

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Originally Posted by Mavs_man_41

wow lmao you've got to be kidding me. Jordan was 10 times the player duncan will ever be. Duncan won't even be one of the 50 greatest players of all time.

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duncan already is one of the 50 greatest players. wth are you talking about? not to mention most bball experts have duncan as the best pf of all time...already!

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Originally Posted by BgT

If he always does the same thing and Mavs still can't defend it...

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his arms are 9 feet long...each

Duncan > Lebron > Jordan