So where do we stand: Free Agents and Trades wise?

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Originally Posted by SpursChampsIII

I like your keepers, but if I remember right, we still have Oberto, Rasho, and Barry extorting taking about another $12M or so.

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Yep, Oberto+Rasho+Barry+Udrih take $16M.
I haven't counted them because they aren't keepers.

My way to see the offseason :
Spurs have a salary cap at $18M and a team with Oberto/Rasho/Barry/Udrih.
Now we should get a new team (with a backup PG, an athletic swingmen, some bigs and scrubs) by only using :
- these 4 players
- draft rights to euros
- draft picks (we can trade future picks to sweeten deals)
- MLE, LLE and minumun salary players.
and without going over the $18M salary cap.

Horry will probably play another year

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Yep, Oberto+Rasho+Barry+Udrih take $16M.
I haven't counted them because they aren't keepers.

My way to see the offseason :
Spurs have a salary cap at $18M and a team with Oberto/Rasho/Barry/Udrih.
Now we should get a new team (with a backup PG, an athletic swingmen, some bigs and scrubs) by only using :
- these 4 players
- draft rights to euros
- draft picks (we can trade future picks to sweeten deals)
- MLE, LLE and minumun salary players.
and without going over the $18M salary cap.

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Don't forget that we have sign-and-trade rights for Nazr. I don't know whether that will matter, but it seems worth mentioning.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The third year is a player option.

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I remember there were mixed reports on how many years Finley signed for. Some reports said it was only one year, while several others reported 3.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...y%27s+contract

We'll see.

here's a vid of javtokas:

javtokas

Spurs to have a great offseason:
-Get Speedy
-Get Scola
-Get younger

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Originally Posted by Spurs Dynasty 21

Spurs to have a great offseason:
-Get Speedy
-Get Scola
-Get younger

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Spurs don't have the money for both Speedy and Scola.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Spurs don't have the money for both Speedy and Scola.

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with Nazr looking like he's leaving, who will replace him?

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Originally Posted by Spurs Dynasty 21

with Nazr looking like he's leaving, who will replace him?

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They'll probably look to sign and trade him. Or just sign Scola and/or Javtokas to replace him.

Remember Robert's comment that is 6 rings were as a contributing/rotation player vs another player who got his last ring stuck idling on the bench?

I wouldn't be surprised if Robert retired this summer, thinking he's not contributing anymore, no matter how much he likes the Spurs org.

for thos saying get speedy you have to remember there were two reasons we got rid of him
1:)we were getting jason kidd
2:)he was injury prone

whiel number 1 might not happen that doesn't eliminate the number 2 reason.

having Speedy would be great, so we don't have to worry about Parker in the 4thor any big game fro that matter

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Originally Posted by Spurs Dynasty 21

having Speedy would be great, so we don't have to worry about Parker in the 4thor any big game fro that matter

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Well Speedy will be too expensive, unless the Spurs aren't going to sign Javtokas and/or Scola. Speedy will get around the full MLE.

Robert Horry told Marc Stein in the Daily Dime the other day he will be playing another season, maybe two.

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Originally Posted by spursincharge

Robert Horry told Marc Stein in the Daily Dime the other day he will be playing another season, maybe two.

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Yeah I read that.

I wish he'd retire though because he doesn't look like he has much left.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Spurs don't have the money for both Speedy and Scola.

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Do you suppose a sign-and-trade involving Barry for Speedy would be of any interest to the Hornets?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I remember there were mixed reports on how many years Finley signed for. Some reports said it was only one year, while several others reported 3.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...y%27s+contract

We'll see.

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I remember of that too and people cursing on Holt because we let Devin go.

But we get the answer mater in a Ludden article

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A percentage of the three-year, $8.4 million contract (the third season is at his option) he signed with the Spurs

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http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....17bc0235.html

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Originally Posted by strangeweather

Don't forget that we have sign-and-trade rights for Nazr. I don't know whether that will matter, but it seems worth mentioning.

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Yep, I have forgotten Nazr and it worth mentioning it but it seems unlikely that we do a S&T because :
- I'm not sure that Nazr will get more than the MLE.
- The other team should be over the cap and there are teams under the cap like Bulls or Hornets who can sign him without a S&T.
- The main reason is that if we do a S&T Spurs would have take back salaries and they will go over the cap. The only way not to take salaries back is a multiteam trade.

I think the Spurs should give Udrih the trust and let him be our backup PG. He has played within the Spurs system now for two seasons and should know it pretty well.

At first I liked the Van Exel pickup, but now I'm leaning towards that being a bad move. With Van Exel gone, Udrih should be our backup IMO, he's shown that he's a good backup but he needs some time on the floor. IMO he outplayed Van Exel this season with fewer minutes.

Keep Udrih and sign a third stringer like we did in 04-05.

I think Beno is garbage. Inconsistent shooter....below average defender

Oh wait...Tony Parker without the speed

:rolleyes

I think people look too much at Beno's play against Detroit during last season's Finals. Yes, he sucked big time, but in his first season/playoffs/Finals against a great team. We have to give him a break for that.

The only reason he didn't play consistantly this season is because of Nick Van Exel. Pop couldn't sit his ass down because Van Exel decided to sign here for the minimum. Give Beno 15-16 minutes a night and he's good enough to be any teams backup PG.

He's young, good shooter, nice passer, good ball handling, but I agree with the inconsistency. We don't need a starter to give Parker a rest, a solid backup that can play and Beno sure fits that criteria.

Beno main quality is to be cheap.
Beno = $1M while a solid backup PG will cost at least $3M (except ring-hunter like NVE or payton).
My POV of Beno is that he can be a good backup if pop trust him but it doesn't seem to be the case.

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Originally Posted by Tom_Foolery

Plus, having Michael Finley really does make Manu expendable, sad to say. Manu also isn't getting any younger.

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Finley is older than Manu. For what it's worth, though, I'd keep both.

Still think the Spurs should do the Barry for J.R. Smith trade.

BTW, where is Javtokas from?

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Beno main quality is to be cheap.
Beno = $1M while a solid backup PG will cost at least $3M (except ring-hunter like NVE or payton).
My POV of Beno is that he can be a good backup if pop trust him but it doesn't seem to be the case.

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I think Beno has proved he can be trusted with regular season minutes, but has thus far utterly failed to prove he can be trusted in the postseason.

He's affordable and he has some good qualities, and unless he's the key to an important trade (unlikely), I would give him one more chance next year. But if he still hasn't proved he can help at the end of next year, I don't see any reason to extend his rookie contract.