Hadn't seen this posted anywhere before. No, it doesn't mean the Spurs would have won Game 4, but it's still interesting.
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Hadn't seen this posted anywhere before. No, it doesn't mean the Spurs would have won Game 4, but it's still interesting.
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Originally Posted by Boston Globe
Sweet!!
Next Thursday, the league will announce that Duncan was set and outside of the restricted area and that Nowitzki should have been called for a charge in that same game.
This league gets more stupid by the day.
Man, why? WHY? I fucking hate the NBA.
Yay.
Set-up.
I hope this sad joke gives the Spurs a chip on their shoulder next year.
Wonderful. That makes me feel so much better. :shootme
Fuck you, David Stern.
They should announce that the Mavericks are disqualified and starting Tuesday the Spurs and Suns will begin a Best of 5 Western Conference Final.
Fuck you Stern.
Realistically that won't happen, so the League should call a bunch of shit in Phoenix's favor to stop the Mavs from advancing. This seriously pisses me off, if they're going to reverse that technical, reverse the outcome of the game as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.T.
If the Mavericks win the title this year, it gets a big fucking star next to it.
I hope Phoenix scores 140 and kills Dallas.
Phoenix should be +50 in FTM for every game throughout the rest of the series.
It happens. Bad calls happen. Even with what is now admittedly a bogus technical, the Spurs had a chance to win that game. They didn't. It's frustrating, but it happens. Build from it and move on.
How is that remotely fair? The only reason this was disclosed is because technicals have an automatic fine that's associated with them, so rescinding the technical is a fair way of not fining the player. There would be dozens of fouls called and not called during the series, going both ways, that would be rescinded or reassessed if personal fouls had a similar fine attached to them, so to act like this was the only bad call that affected the game (or the series) is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.T.
It's a shame that some in this thread don't realize how ridiculous they sound.
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/2005/113-2/crybaby.jpg
Feel free to leave this SPURS forum if it distresses you. One point was huge in 6 of 7 games, Mavtrash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
Cry me a river.....whining becomes you.
Yeah, they sound like Mav fans the last four seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
ba-zing!
:lol
But today they are whiny biotches.
What's so whiny about pointing out a technical FT (one point) would have made all the difference in the world in a game that was tied at the end of regulation and won by the Mavs in OT?
Don't tell me you're that stupid.
It was the bogus delay of game call that screwed the Spurs.
Do you think that the Spurs may have benefitted from any bad calls in that game as well? Some of you fucking people act like the Spurs have never fucking benefitted from bad calls! Christ, the Spurs have probably benifitted from more bad calls in the past 3 years than any other team in the NBA, so fucking get over it already! You lost! Game over!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Don't tell me that you are so stupid that you do not realize that many of these morons are only whining like little girls because they lost. Please don't tell me that you are so stupid that you can't see this is yet another lame excuse. I am very impressed by the majority of posters here who understand the game and refuse to make lame excuses. I guess that will not include you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I don't think that lamenting what might have happened had the call been made correctly is necessarily whining. It gets cast that way as a simplistic way of dismissing posts, but it's something different, IMO. It's legitimate to say that the call was harmful to the Spurs -- it gave the Mavericks a chance to score an extra point in a series that was decided by a microscopic margin -- and the Spurs ended up losing the game in OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
Would it have made a difference in the run of the game if Bavetta had actually paid attention to that play and not simply reacted to Dirk's flop? Maybe. Can Spurs fans be somewhat upset that our team's season could have turned on a call that the NBA has acknowledged was wrong? I think so. Does thinking that diminish what the Mavericks did in beating the Spurs? I don't think so.
Some of you fucking idiot Mavs fans in this thread are acting like that one point wouldn't have made a difference.Quote:
Do you think that the Spurs may have benefitted from any bad calls in that game as well? Some of you fucking people act like the Spurs have never fucking benefitted from bad calls!
Fine, howabout Dirk running over Tim in the same game and getting the call, or Dirk throwing his shoulder into Bowen three times and getting a foul on Bruce the fourth time?
Kinda fun to play what if, huh?
No one's whining here that I see, just saying "damn, what if."
If that bothers you, frankly the only response I have to that is fuck off.
You make a good point if the intent is to talk about game changes (which was not the intent here imho). It would certainly have affected the game had that call not been made. I think you mischaracterize a Dirk flop but that is another point. My point above originally was that it was unfortunate that some Spurs fans didn't realize how silly they were sounding. I've encountered much better than that from most fans here.
I think the original intent of the thread was to alert all to the fact that the NBA had admitted its official made a mistake and shouldn't have done what he did. Does that change the flow of that game? Probably -- at least in some way. Can we wonder what would have happened if that call had never been made? I think so; and I think we can without being whiners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
You and I can discuss the awards for which Dirk's performance in that instance made him eligible in another context.
And I'd agree with you that some here have been ridiculous in their reactions to this news.
But simply acknowledging the what ifs of Bavetta handling that situation correctly doesn't strike me as whining unless the listener comes in here to grind that ax and is looking for any reason to do so.
You just don't get. Here's a what if for you, what if you only picked out the bad calls against the Spurs? What if you weren't such a Homer and you realized that there were horrible calls on both ends of the court?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Ronny Nunn and his refs reviewed all tapes from the Spurs/Mavs series, because they would admit only among themselves how fuckedly poor the reffing was.
"What if" Tim had been hot from the line, rather than missing all 6 of the Spurs' missed FTs in a game tied in regulation.
But, the Spurs really, really didn't have their hearts pumped up and their shit together to play their best basketball all season.
Had they slipped past the Mavs, Manu making his Game7 drive and/or Tim making the putback and/or Manu not fouling Dirk, perhaps the Spurs would have focussed up enough to win all the way.
I'll never be made to believe that how they play in the season, esp the late season, has nothing to do with how they play in the playoffs. The fool's gold of 63W ignored, the Spurs just never impressed or overpowered last season. Failed so many tests, got blown out in so many big games.
It won't be any easier next year vs Mavs and Suns, will the Spurs play tougher?
I just want to know why Bavetta seems to be considered as one of the best officials in the league by the NBA. The guy is completely gutless, and his "performance" in game 7 (even though it benefitted the Spurs imo) just solidified that fact.
And I think that's the point that most of us have made around here since at least Tuesday morning. Had Tim made FT's in Game 7, we're unconcerned with this issue. Had the Spurs been attentive to defensive rebounding or making smarter plays at various points in time, the issue is a footnote. The Mavericks did those things better and won.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
I don't know that too many are discrediting the Mavericks win by pointing to this call. They're just venting some frustration. And it is frustrating to hear the league fess up to this mistake, coming on the heels of a series that was so extraordinarily tight.
I AM surprised, however, that so many Mavericks fans are hanging out here when the Mavericks are preparing to play Game 3 of the WCF. Were the tables reversed, I'm not sure there would be too many (though there surely would be some) Spurs fans taunting Mavericks fans.
Mavs can't get over that they were handed a trip to the WCF by the officials.
I don't know a lot of fans from any team that like Bavetta. He is awful personified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnipeg_Spur
You just don't get it. This is a Spurs site. Hence, we're going to talk about situations where we got screwed. If you weren't such a dumbfuck, you'd get it.Quote:
You just don't get. Here's a what if for you, what if you only picked out the bad calls against the Spurs? What if you weren't such a Homer and you realized that there were horrible calls on both ends of the court?
By the way, I work in Plano at a company of over 200 people, where only myself and 3 other guys are Spurs fans.
There wasn't a person in that building that didn't admit (some begrudgingly) the two calls Dirk got at the end of game 4 were bullshit. My boss has 3rd row season tickets and his first comments to me were that we got screwed.
I guess he's a Spurs homer too, what with having season tickets for the last 11 seasons and all. :lol
If you can't deal with Spurs fans looking at what happened to the Spurs through silver and black glasses, then fucking scroll or go back to mavstalk.
Yeah, that seems to be one of the few things that almost all fans can agree on, yet the NBA itself seems to disagree, I just don't get it. They supposedly do a really thorough job of evaluating the officials, but I can't imagine how you could watch a bunch of Dick's games and not come away thinking he's a terrible ref. Yet this guy is one of their "go-to-guys" for big game 7's. Mystifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
Wow. Talk about adding insult.......
Mark Cuban was later seen on reply by Stu Jackson and his understudies having a chat with the refs before and after games. Stern's fine = Celebrity Death Match with Mark Cuban and you guessed..... gang raping gorillas.
Ronnie Nunn was on NBATV before game seven against Dallas and admitted the blocking foul called on TD in game four was a charge.
When I mentioned that the Mavs' 5's were getting called for a foul in game 1 in the first quarter every trip down even though they were just standing there with their arms straight up, I was told to STFU, it was in the first quarter. Big deal, they said. Funny how ONE point in the second quarter of a game turns the series. :rolleyes
As losers, we must complain about the refs.
It is our job now.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Funny how that ONE point would've changed who won that game too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBinBigD
Give me a break. The game and series are history. Time is better served preparing for next season.
Perhaps in the offseason the NBA will hire new refs that can see; or impliment yet a 4th ref to attemt correcting calls from the sidelines using video from the arena's cameras/video feed with a 30 sec. time limit. If not, just keep playing ball.
Stay tuned, . . . :fro
The difference is that your centers are fucking scrubs, and it really makes little difference in your game plan if they foul out. Call me when the refs deprive you of an All Star down the stretch in consecutive games.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBinBigD
So what, you hear what you want to hear, so I really don't care what you took away from your selective hearing at work. Did the unfair reffing bother you in the previous 3 seasons when the Spurs were getting the calls? Do you take that into consideration when you still celebrate your 2003 and 2005 championships?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Your Spurs got more calls in the last 3 fucking years than any other team, so boo fucking hoo if they didn't get all the calls this series, it's about time that the Spurs got a little taste of that medicine. Christ, by way that the Spurs acted on the court you would have never known that the reffing was any worse than usual, they fucking bitch like their little pussies are hurting every game, it doesn't matter if the officiating is perfect.
When did we get those, exactly? The Spurs are the team that Stern would least like to have in the Finals, yet we made it there.Quote:
Did the unfair reffing bother you in the previous 3 seasons when the Spurs were getting the calls?
Hey fag, Pop wasn't the one crying to the refs after game 1 in the press and getting 50 FTs in game 2 out of it.Quote:
Christ, by way that the Spurs acted on the court you would have never known that the reffing was any worse than usual, they fucking bitch like their little pussies are hurting every game, it doesn't matter if the officiating is perfect.
As for crying on the court, no one on the Spurs has anything on Air Deutschmark and his merry band of Pubans.
All those free throws TD got from those ridiculous calls may have made a difference. But do we hear anybody saying the refs gave you that game?Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Tim Duncan has never committed a foul in his life. Nor has Bruce Bowen.
I just did.Quote:
All those free throws TD got from those ridiculous calls may have made a difference. But do we hear anybody saying the refs gave you that game?
I don't know why Mavs fans come in here, tell us to stop whining about the officiating, and then proceed to start talking about how the Spurs got all the calls for the last 3 years. So whining about recent horrible officiating is somehow worse than harping on (imaginary) stuff that happened years ago. Makes perfect sense. :lol
You must watch a lot of X-Files. Oh yeah the conspiracy is on to keep the Spurs out of the finals! You are pathetic! Are you trying to say that the Spurs won those titles in spite of the officiating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
BTW, where do you think that Avery learned his little crying about the refs to the press trick?
Hey, I won't disagree that Dirk complains a lot, not in the least. But as an overall team, the Spurs bitch way more, it isn't even close.
I can't believe that Mavs fans are posting in this thread after 7:30 p.m. CDT on Sunday.
I'd be watching my team and not trolling in another team's forum, but that's just me.
Wrong, Dumpster. I said it MAY have made a difference. People on here say that a call here and there would have won the game for SA (even in blowout game 2) and they should have won the series but the refs wouldn't let them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
:lmao
Sore winners would rather bitch about the refs than watch their own team in the WCF.
These Mavfans are nutjobs.
Are you not smart enough to be able to sit at the computer and watch a game at the same time? I didn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's just that the moaning and bitching and sense of entitlement on here is pretty entertaining. "We're such victims!" :lol
Yes, we've heard it from Mavfans for years.Quote:
It's just that the moaning and bitching and sense of entitlement on here is pretty entertaining. "We're such victims!"
Even when they win they bitch about the refs. They can't stop. They'll pass it down to their offspring now if they ever leave their keyboards.
:lol Did you just see your golden boy Dirk crying for an entire Phoenix possession because mean little Tim Thomas roofed him?
Kinda like you crying about the Spurs getting all the calls for three years and then saying we shouldn't complain. How does it feel to argue with yourself like that? :lmaoQuote:
It's just that the moaning and bitching and sense of entitlement on here is pretty entertaining. "We're such victims!"
I'm glad you're here to castigate us -- how ever would our behavior improve if we didn't have you to preach to us?!?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBinBigD
And while the Mavs are playing a playoff game, no less!! We are truly, truly blessed.
I still can't believe that you're watching the Mavs (allegedly) while trolling in a Spurs forum, but to each his own, I guess.
Del Harris was crying too. I'm guessing no one has ever accused him of being too good a coach to complain all the time tho. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Mav Fan's inferiority complex transcends actual basketball being played.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Plus, Alpha Pussy Cuban has taught them that being a fan means whining incessantly.
Dirk actually tries to go to the paint, gets bodied and immediately goes into menstrual cramping for five minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
:lol Dirk was yelling at the ref saying "Don't you remember our fucking contract" If that was Kenyon/Artest/Sheed yelling, they'd be ejected.Quote:
Did you just see your golden boy Dirk crying for an entire Phoenix possession because mean little Tim Thomas roofed him?
:lol
I can't remember the last time I watched a walking vagina cry that long at an official and not get Ted up.
We've been getting all the calls for the last 3 years? Excuse me, did you Mavs fans just not watch basketball in 2004 at all. I mean I know the Spurs are good and all, but you guys obviously don't watch anything but your Mavs play. So please, do us all a favor, and stop commenting on other teams as if you actually know basketball.
yippie yippie yay :rolleyes
If Dallas lost because of one bad call, you would just be same moron crying like a baby. Every fan is just the same. Good luck with your team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
*sigh*
Well, I feel soooo much better-NOT!
That is where you are dead wrong. Many fans have class and can lose with dignity. I know this is a foreign concept to you but several here did just that and they are why this site is such a good place. They win and lose with class. You could learn a lot from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by intlspurshk
But thank you for the good luck wishes. The Mavs and I appreciate it.
Anybody that can't admit that the Spurs have gotten a lot of calls in the last 3 years doesn't have a clue about NBA basketball. I watch at least 200 NBA games each season, so I have pleanty of basis for my comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissAllThat
I'm a Kings fan and I realize and can admit that the Kings got calls for 2 seasons, actually more calls than any other team but the Lakers. That was just the way it was, nothing to be ashamed of, because it's not like they paid the refs off anything like that, it was an obvious sign of respect from the officials. And during those 2 years that the Kings were getting the calls they did more complaining to the refs than ever, that was something they should have been ashamed of. As a fan I was ashamed of all the bitching my team was doing when they were obviously getting calls, and you should be ashamed of your teams bitching too. Apparently, it is just how it works in the league, you give them an inch and they want a mile.
In short, quit being such a homer. Your team has obviously gotten calls in recent years, deal with it, actually be happy about it.
BAkrid- are you a Mavs fan in Kings clothing? I have seen another poster with a similar name on Mavs boards. It also goes to the point of the question that your name could be reasonably broken down into:
BA=Bad Ass
krid = Dirk spelled backwards.
I agree that Dirk is a badass if this is the case.
Just curious. If not, what is the meaning of your username?
Wow, I can't believe that you came up with that, pretty close. My screen name is my First name and middle and last initials spelled backwards. DirkAB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
Dallas = hella boring
If there fans are on here arguing like little bitches. Should you lame fucks be at a Suns forum or something?
And on the internet I'm a doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
Seriously, I'm a Kings fan, I'm even rooting for the Suns to make the Finals. Is it that hard to believe that a non-Mavs fan would make these observations? Because to me they seem so painfully obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
Obviously in proctology. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by I H8 Mavs Fans
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Originally Posted by Drbio
That's just fucking weak man.
Yup, he can't say no to a man's harry ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drbio
Not really. It was weak to you since you got pwned. Lighten up man....it's all in fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by I H8 Mavs Fans
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Originally Posted by Drbio
proctology? that was a funny word when I was like five.
Did I say we never got ANY calls? No. I've found myself watching the games before and saying "oh crap, we traveled" or "stupid foul" only to follow it up with "wow, we got away with one there." I know we've gotten some calls in the past, but to say we got ALL OF THE CALLS for the past 3 YEARS is ridiculous. Its as if you're implying that our succes in 2 out of those 3 years had to do with those calls and thats just not true at all. Now the Lakers for several years have gotten almost all of the calls. This year, so have the Mavs. Its a well known fact that all-star players get the Jordan treatment to an extent. The super stars just get away with a little more than the unknown guys. I'm fine with that. That's not whats happening in this years playoffs. And please don't call me a homer, cuz I'm willing to throw out the whole spurs-mavs series in this argument. Let's take the Suns-Lakers series. There were dozens of complete BS calls in favor of the Lakers in that series, and aside from Kobe, no one on that team really deserves the Jordan treatment. Yes Phoenix did win that series, but it took them 7 games to defeat a team that was nowhere near as good as they were. Pull that same one-sided officiating in a series with say 2 60 win teams, and the story is a little different. Those 2 teams would be about equal playing wise, and that little ref help would probably determine the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
It will begin to mean a lot more to you again when you hit 35.Quote:
Originally Posted by I H8 Mavs Fans
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Originally Posted by Drbio
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Originally Posted by Drbio
No it won't I eat right, and drink plenty of Water, which is the best thing to avoid Kidney stones, that shits scary
Kidney Stones=scarrier that butt problems
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Originally Posted by I H8 Mavs Fans
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Originally Posted by MissAllThat
Hold up, so you are saying that the Spurs only got some calls? Well, if you weren't so biased you would be able to see and admit that they have gotten more calls than any other team in the last three years.
You're too worried about it taking away from the titles that they won if you admit it, well every team that has won a title has had some help from the officials. Now, I'm not saying that the Spurs got as many calls as the Lakers did 2000-2002, but really what does that matter when you are getting more calls than any other team in the league, from 2003-2006? Too bad for you that those calls ran out before the second round of the playoffs.
Really I'm not trying to take away the Spurs rings or say that they don't deserve them, because if I did it to them I would have to do the same thing to all championship teams. Jordan's Bulls got a ton of calls, but that doesn't mean that they weren't great or deserve to be champions, I just think people need to get real and admit how things really are. Spurs have gotten a ton of calls in the last 3 years, just admit it.
Do you even watch Kobe and the Lakers play or Lebron and the Cavs? Lebron gets more calls than any other player in the league aside from maybe Kobe, and since he's gotten to Cleveland, i'd say the Cavs are getting more calls than any other team in the league. I admitted the Spurs get calls, but to say that they have gotten more calls than any other team in the league for the past 3 years is just bogus, especially if you're including this year (2006) in that mix. The only way this could be true is if the only reason they won their first 40 or so games this season was fully do to the refs and them getting more calls than every other team in the league. I'll admit i didn't watch most of first half maybe even 3/4 of the season. All in all, not including playoffs, I probably watched them play maybe 25 games, and that might be stretching it. However, the other 2 years in question, I watched most, if not every, game, and I just didn't see that happening. We're the same team that had .4 happen to us. How on earth could we have been getting more calls than any team in the league and have such an atrocity occur against our team? Do we get some calls? Yes. Do we get more calls in our favor than a team like the Grizzlies or the Bobcats? Yes. Have we gotten more calls than any other team in the past 3 years? No, unless of course the only reason we won so many games this year was because the games were given to us, and as far as I know, from replays and online stories, thats not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
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Originally Posted by MissAllThat
I'm not talking about what individual players get the most calls or get away with the most stuff, I'm talking about what team as a whole gets the most calls. Yes, Kobe and LeBron get a ton of calls, but the Lakers and the Cavs get nowhere near the calls that the Spurs do.
You're a Spurs fan and you didn't watch the first 3/4 of the season? I'm absolutely speechless, I don't even know what to say to you about that. I'm a Kings fan and I very well could have watched more Spurs games this year than you! That's kind of sad.
The Spurs got calls all regular season long and through the first round, but the 3 years of calls came to a halt in the second round against the Mavs. I don't think that all the calls went the Mavs way, but they probably did get the better of the officiating, especially considering that they were the road team. This is the first time the Mavs have ever had this advantage in the playoffs, the same advantage that your team has enjoyed for so many games.
I knew I was gonna hear it for that, and I watched every game I possibly could. It just so happens that I was busy with classes and school and other things several times during the season. I'm a huge UNC/Texas basketball fan, and despite going to the University of Texas, I wasn't able to go to many of the home games we had. It absolutely killed me all semester to be in a 3 hour history class and not at the game or not watching the games on TV. I would have loved to have gone, but I'm actually trying to graduate soon and then go to law school. Not to mention, despite what Mark Cuban says, we don't get a ton of Spurs games in Austin. I got the ones on FoxSports, TNT, ESPN, and ABC and maybe an occasional one on the WB, but those were random. I did watch the Spurs whenever possible, even post-poning going out when the Spurs played those lovely 9:30 games on Friday and Saturday nights. You probably did watch more games than I did. I wouldn't be surprised. This is the first year I've seen this few games, but I did try to keep track view ESPNews/Sportscenter highlights and online stats/articles. I still followed the team. I just couldn't watch the games. Oh and did I mention we had a nice little flood in our building in November and didn't have cable at all for like a month because the cable company couldn't figure out how to fix it? It just wasn't a good year for me and the spurs. I'm not one of those fans that just shows up around playoff time. It just so happens that this year that was around the time my semester was coming to a close and I was able to finally sit down and watch some games.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
This isn't the first time the Mavs have ever had an advantage in the playoffs. See 2003 game 1 vs. Spurs. They shot over 50 free throws. That game was crap too. The Spurs have gotten some calls in the past. I've admitted that, and yes they've probably gotten more calls than the crappy teams, but they're about even as far as calls go with all of the other elite teams over the past 5 years, except for maybe the Pistons because they hardly ever get calls in their favor. We haven't had an unfair advantage in terms of calls for the past 3 years. The only reason I can see for this argument is that we won 2 titles, and yet its not true at all. It just didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
Harm, but no foul
Fresh from the Too Little, Too Late Dept. comes word that the NBA rescinded the technical foul against San Antonio's Michael Finley in the second quarter of Game 4 in Dallas. Finley was called for a technical with 4:44 remaining in the half, and it appeared to be borderline at best. ``You can imagine what I wanted to say when I heard that," said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, who found out about the decision Thursday. ``Does that mean we win the game by 1 point?" Game 4, which was played May 15, went into overtime, and the Mavericks prevailed, 123-118, so the technical was huge. (Dirk Nowitzki made the free throw.) For Finley, it means he won't have to fork over $1,000 to the league. For the Spurs, it means yet another tough break in a series they just as easily could have won.
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._force/?page=3
you blow all this wind about the spurs getting calls "all year long" and for "the last 3 years" but avoid being specific. the spurs do not get all the calls, despite what you think. so quit bullshitting until you can provide some proof for what you are talking about. anyone can sit there and say another team gets every call, it doesn't make it true. the spurs had 1,714 personal fouls called on them this year. their opponents had 1,709. one would think if they got every call all season the numbers would point to that disparity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAkriD
What do you think I keep a fucking video log and a journal to document the Spurs? My own two eyes and unbiased opinion are all I need to see the obvious. Like I said earlier I watch at least 200 games a season and that is plenty of basis and proof for me to draw the conclusion that the Spurs have gotten favortism from the refs in recent history. I've already admitted that my team has also benefitted from the same favoritism for 2 straight seasons, so why can't you just admit that yours has benefitted from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by leemajors
The number of foul calls really means shit, how about watching the games and seeing the context of those calls. I could give shit about foul called on the Spurs when the Spurs are up by 15 points, how about when the game is tight and they are allowed to get more physical and aggressive than their opponents? The Spurs play great defense, but they are given more rope when it comes to getting after a team physically, especially when the game is on the line.
your opinion is not unbiased, that in iteself is a contradiction in terms. i don't think you need a video log and a journal, but speaking in general terms with no basis is retarded. i just don't happen to think that the spurs have received an overwhelming amount of beneficial calls just because they have been successful recently, and your posts contain nothing overwhelming to the contrary.
BAkriD using this year as an example, where did the Spurs players rank in terms of taking it to the basket and scoring in the paint? Where did the Spurs rank in terms of drawing fouls and going to the line? Where did the Spurs rank in terms of FT differential? Where does your theory rank on a stupidity scale, 1 being stupidest and 10 being smartest?
Alright, then answer a couple of other questions for me.
Has the NBA shown a history of giving favortism to the majority of championship teams? Did Bird's Celics, Magic's Lakers, Daly's Pistons, Dream's Rockets, Jordan's Bulls, and Shaq's Lakers all recieve favortism from the refs? I don't think there is any doubt to the answer of that question.
Do you believe that the Spurs are 3 time champs without any help from the refs? Better yet, did they do it in spite of the refs? Has the officiating been fair and balanced in all the Spurs playoffs series until the Mavs this year?
Please tell me what your opinion is of the officiating in the Spurs playoff runs of recent history. Are there any series that stick out as poorly officiated? In either direction, doesn't matter.
Please, I would love to know your opinions on the NBA officiating.
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Originally Posted by ducks
Thanks, ducks.
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Do you believe that the Spurs are 3 time champs without any help from the refs? Better yet, did they do it in spite of the refs? Has the officiating been fair and balanced in all the Spurs playoffs series until the Mavs this year?
The Spurs got no love from the refs in 2003, hell they had to play 5 on 8 in the Lakers series that year to pull it out.
As for '05, the Spurs never got the benefit of shooting 50 FTs in a road game like the Mavs, and they sure didn't get the benefit of the calls in the Finals when Ben and 'Sheed were beating the shit out of Nazr and Duncan without a single foul call.
Fuck, we couldn't even guard Bonzi or Artest in round 1 this year without getting saddled with foul trouble.
Again, enumerate where you think the Spurs got all the calls, or shut the fuck up.
2005-2006
Spurs shot 1892 FTs
Opponents 1912 FTs
2005 2006
Mavs shot 2322 FTs with no credible post threat
Opponents 2162 FTs
Who gets the favorable calls again?
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Exactly what I thought, some fucking idiot would step up with some bullshit about how the Spurs have been getting screwed by the officials. Obviously not the popular opinion around here, but there are definitely a few retards out there that believe that the refs have been fucking the Spurs. If you think that the Spurs have been getting screwed in recent years, you are in for a really rough ride. Believe me I know what it is like when your team stops getting the calls they used to, it will be really frustrating to you homers who already think that they are getting the shitty end of the stick. It appears the Spurs are not going to get the calls against other elite teams anymore, you will have a lot more of these threads to bitch about the officiating. Have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what, the Spurs also shot like 250 more 3-pointers. They take it to the basket less than the Mavs. Why do you think that Wade and Iverson get the line more than any other superstars in the league? Because they don't settle for the outside shot, they take it hard to the rack.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BAkriD
Yeah, Ginobili and Parker never go into the lane. Same with that Duncan dude.
Let's see, 250 3 pointers is roughly 3 per game. That's 3 times that we don't drive that you do. So, that explains a FT discrepancy of 410 FTAs? That's 5 FTAs per contest.