Spurs' future draft picks

Spurs' 07 draft picks :

28th : Spurs first round pick
33rd : Bucks second round pick (from the Markota trade)
58th : Spurs second round pick

Spurs' workouts :

PG :
Jared Jordan
Gabe Pruitt
Zabian Dowdell
Jamaal Tatum
Aaron Bruce (out)
Ramon Sessions
Petteri Koponen
Mustafa Shakur

SG/SF :
Aaron Afflalo
Demetris Nichols
Ron Lewis
Daequan Cook
Alando Tucker
Morris Almond
Jared Dudley
Sun Yue
DJ Strawberry
David Teague

PF/C :
Carl Landry
Kyle Visser
Nikita Shabalkin (out)
Lamont Hamilton
Aaron Gray
Nick Fazekas
Glen Davis
Jermareo Davidson
Stephane Lasme
Kyrylo Fesenko

Maybe :
Trey Johnson
Wilson Chandler

2007 Calendar :

April 2 : End of the NCAA tournament
April 4 - April 7 : Portsmouth invitational tournament
April 7 : 2007 Nike Hoop Summit - Memphis
April 18 : End of the nba regular season
April 29 : NBA Draft's early entry eligibility deadline
May 22 : Draft Lottery - New York
May 28 - June 3 : NBA pre-draft camp - Orlando
June 5 : Start of the workouts
June 9 - June 12 : Rbk eurocamp - Treviso
June 18 : Draft early entrant withdrawl deadline
June 25 : Deadline for Oberto to pick his player option (it could have an influence on what Spurs will do with their picks)
June 28 : NBA Draft - New York

Links :

Draftexpress
Nbadraft
Espn draft page
Wiki on the lottery
Future draft picks
NCAA players stats
Euroleague players stats
CBA faq

I've posted this because I've discovered that Spurs have Bulls second round pick (top 51 protected).
This pick come from the Erick Barkley trade (he was a filler in the Daniels/Kerr).

What's that Chicago pick from?

This makes little sense to me. From the Chicago portion. If it occurs within the Top 51, then:

2007 second round draft pick to San Antonio
Chicago’s own 2007 2nd round pick to San Antonio (top 51 protected). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is in the top 51 picks, then Chicago's obligations to convey a second round pick to San Antonio are extinguished. [Chicago – San Antonio, 10/25/2002]


2007 second round draft pick to Portland
Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick to Portland (only if in the top 51 picks). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is not in the top 51 picks, then Chicago shall instead convey its own 2008 2nd round pick to Portland. [Chicago – Portland, 6/28/2006]

There's a discrepancy there - it's either 2007 or 2008. Does Chicago stand to lose two 2nd round picks? Am I daft here?

Anyway, good find Bruno. Chicago would have to be one of the top 9 records for the Spurs to get it.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

What's that Chicago pick from?

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http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/nba-d...cores10-25.txt
TRADE: San Antonio traded Erick Barkley and cash to Chicago for future
considerations. Chicago then released Barkley.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

This makes little sense to me. From the Chicago portion. If it occurs within the Top 51, then:

2007 second round draft pick to San Antonio
Chicago’s own 2007 2nd round pick to San Antonio (top 51 protected). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is in the top 51 picks, then Chicago's obligations to convey a second round pick to San Antonio are extinguished. [Chicago – San Antonio, 10/25/2002]


2007 second round draft pick to Portland
Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick to Portland (only if in the top 51 picks). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is not in the top 51 picks, then Chicago shall instead convey its own 2008 2nd round pick to Portland. [Chicago – Portland, 6/28/2006]

There's a discrepancy there - it's either 2007 or 2008. Does Chicago stand to lose two 2nd round picks? Am I daft here?

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If Bulls are a top9 team, Spurs will get Bulls' 2007 second round pick and Blazers will get Bulls' 2008 second round pick;
If Bulls aren't a top9 team, Spurs will get nothing and Blazers will get Bull's 2007 second round pick.

This is fantastic news. I don't see how Chicago fails to get a Top 9 record. That means the Spurs get one 1st rounder and three 2nd rounders (theirs, Milwaukee's, Chicago's). Two will fall very late in the round, however.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Anyway, good find Bruno.

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Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

This is fantastic news. I don't see how Chicago fails to get a Top 9 record. That means the Spurs get one 1st rounder and three 2nd rounders (theirs, Milwaukee's, Chicago's). Two will fall very late in the round, however.

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I think too that Bulls will be a top9 team even if ti's not a lock.

BTW, over/under odds for the regular season :
Spurs 56.5
Mavs 56.5
Suns 55
Heat 51.5
Piston 50.5
Bulls 48.5
Cavs 48.5
Nets 47.5
Clippers 47

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If Bulls are a top9 team, Spurs will get Bulls' 2007 second round pick and Blazers will get Bulls' 2008 second round pick

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The Bulls stand to lose two draft picks for a transaction they didn't want? Didn't they pick up Barkley just to waive him as a favor?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

The Bulls stand to lose two draft picks for a transaction they didn't want? Didn't they pick up Barkley just to waive him as a favor?

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The second round pick given to Portland come from the Tyrus Thomas + Krhyapa for Aldridge trade.

They just welded them together. Okay.

Oh Boy Corso, Nothin Like Extra Second Round Draft Picks To Use As Fodder For Trainin Camp, Or Betta Yet Ship Over To Europe So That They're Never Used Again--corrrsooo

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

The Bulls stand to lose two draft picks for a transaction they didn't want? Didn't they pick up Barkley just to waive him as a favor?

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There were also cash considerations in that trade, IIRC, like SA sending cash for them to cut his ass.

Yes we do have a first round pick this year, & it looks like we will have our own original second rounder, plus the Bucks or Houstons second rounder, whichever is better...IMO we wont have Chicagos second rounder, it will be better than the 51'st pick I think..so the way I see it we have 1 first round pick, 2 second round picks for sure & maybe 3 second rounders, depending on what happens with the Bulls second rounder.

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Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god

Wait, do we have a first round draft pick this year??

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Yeh we still have our 1st round pick protected in 2007 and 2nd round pick = 2 picks

now add bulls pick + bucks pick = 2 picks

aka 4 picks :D:D:D rebuild or move trade up in the draft using the 3 2nd round picks to move into 1st round to get someshit.

what im hopin is pilin on the 2nd round picks with expiring contracts trades with other teams. Lets not waste the picks like how the knicks did.

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Originally Posted by Big P

Yes we do have a first round pick this year, & it looks like we will have our own original second rounder, plus the Bucks or Houstons second rounder, whichever is better...IMO we wont have Chicagos second rounder, it will be better than the 51'st pick I think..so the way I see it we have 1 first round pick, 2 second round picks for sure & maybe 3 second rounders, depending on what happens with the Bulls second rounder.

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houston doesnt own us any picks, unless they own the bucks which could be transfered to us :D, we get to have the pick that is the highest out of the 2 in the 2nd round :D

so we have a total of 5 picks for 07?

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Originally Posted by THE SIXTH MAN

so we have a total of 5 picks for 07?

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we have 4

1st roun 1 pick spurs
2nd round = 51st pick if bulls have top9 record goes to us
bucks highest 2nd round pick
then our own pick

but it looks like a weak draft anyway with the scrubs in the 2nd round, unless we find someshit again......

It's classified as one of the deepest and most talented drafts ever. But yeah, our 2nd rounders would be in the 40s and later.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

It's classified as one of the deepest and most talented drafts ever.

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Thats what I heard as well.

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Originally Posted by THE SIXTH MAN

Thats what I heard as well.

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only deep in the first round with alot of the bigz will be taken anyway....what i want the front office to focus on is draftin a replacement for bowen, then a center and backup PG.....

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Originally Posted by Bruno

http://www.realgm.com/src_future_dra...hp#san_antonio

Credits

2007 second round draft pick from Chicago
Chicago’s own 2007 2nd round pick to San Antonio (top 51 protected). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is in the top 51 picks, then Chicago's obligations to convey a second round pick to San Antonio are extinguished. [Chicago – San Antonio, 10/25/2002]

2007 second round draft pick from Milwaukee
The better of Milwaukee's own 2007 2nd round pick and Houston's own 2007 2nd round pick to San Antonio [Milwaukee - San Antonio, 6/28/2006]

2009 second round draft pick from New Orleans
New Orleans’ own 2009 2nd round pick to San Antonio via Toronto [New Orleans – Toronto, 1/26/2006 and then San Antonio – Toronto, 6/21/2006]

Debits
No picks owed

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Looking at this, I don't understand why we have just three or four...

I read :
1 first roud (ours) +
1 second round (ours) +
1 second round (from Milwaukee that will be the better between the one of the rockets and the one of Milwaukee : Markota trade) +
1 second round (from New Orleans via Toronto : rasho trade) +
1 second round (that's the only conditional one, from Chicago : Barckley trade)

So we have four for sure (1 first and three second choice)
and eventually five (with the Chicago one).

Not bad in the supposedly "deepest draft in years" (also if the one high second choice risks to be the N.O. one..).

Am I wrong ?

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Originally Posted by venitian navigator

Looking at this, I don't understand why we have just three or four...

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The Hornets' pick is a 2009 second round pick, not a 2007 one.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

It's classified as one of the deepest and most talented drafts ever. But yeah, our 2nd rounders would be in the 40s and later.

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I'm not so sure about this.
the most comes from the hype about Odom.
i think beside Odom, there is a lot of good potential, but not especially that much outstanding star potential (like in the 03 draft for example).
like ginobili_is_god wrote, this is mainly because of all the high schoolers, who couldn't enter the draft 2006 because of the new rules.
the irony is, that the draft 2007 looks thin at exactly the one position, the Spurs would need instant help the most, namely at SF.
so the number of picks won't help that much, if there ain't any usefull SFs left at the board.
the player who would likely be exactly what the Spurs would need as a successor of Bruce is Corey Brewer, but he will likely be picked 10-20.
Spurs should try hard to trade up by using the second rounders and maybe even the draft rights of Scola and/or Javtokas. they of course won't get a lottery pick (no team will blow the chance to win the Odom sweepstake by trading a potential lottery pick), but mybe they can get a pick in the 15-20 area.
there they would have a chance to get either Brewer or Rush, who are both ready to contribute from the first year.

It's Oden, not Odom.

And isn't it a little too early to start talking about next year's draft seriously? Thanks for the information on what picks the Spurs will have, but NO ONE knows how this draft will shape up. Oden, Noah, Brewer, McRoberts, Durant, Big Baby, and all of the other talents being discussed are underclassmen, so they would have to leave the NCAA. I'm not saying they won't, but we shouldn't make it a foregone conclusion that they will.

Again, thanks for the info and I'm sure the Spurs will do something completely unexpected with their 3 or 4 picks...they always do.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

It's Oden, not Odom.

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hoppla. shame on me.

Spurs picks will be something like 27th, 45th, 54th (maybe) and 57th. Top players won't be available with this kind of picks.
It's up to the FO to find some "steals" (likely in europe).

The Spurs absolutely will trade up or try. Scola may get 10-12 spots in the first round. Two late 2nd rounders might get an early 2nd rounder.

The draft isn't terrible on SFs, and these won't be what most teams are looking for in a big-man draft, but the top flight SFs will be gone very quickly (like Durant, Young).

A lot of the depth will come from good players getting pushed down from one-and-doners, so those guys have to come out.

We're kidding ourselves if all the Spurs look for are SFs. We need to completely revamp our bench. We need to find replacements for Finley, Barry, Horry, Oberto, Elson, and Vaughn. The only young guy we'll still have (I'm considering Udrih is gone) is Butler, and he'll move into the starting lineup. So I expect the Spurs to push for top SFs but take Best Player Available when they can.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Spurs picks will be something like 27th, 45th, 54th (maybe) and 57th. Top players won't be available with this kind of picks.
It's up to the FO to find some "steals" (likely in europe).

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the problem is, that thoses steals are usually not able to contribute right away. it took three years till Manu was brought over. (also because of buyout issues)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

We're kidding ourselves if all the Spurs look for are SFs. We need to completely revamp our bench. We need to find replacements for Finley, Barry, Horry, Oberto, Elson, and Vaughn. The only young guy we'll still have (I'm considering Udrih is gone) is Butler, and he'll move into the starting lineup. So I expect the Spurs to push for top SFs but take Best Player Available when they can.

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of course the Spurs would also take another player than SF, if there is an obvious more talented player, who plays a different position on the board. but as you mention, we need repleacements for Finley and Barry and if we add Bruce, it's three swingmen to be repleaced.
about the older benchplayers: Oberto might be repleaced with Javtokas (in his case i'm still confident that he will join the Spurs), Mahinmi should join the Spurs in two years (next year will still be to early, two years of euroleague will be the best experience for him), Sanikidze is still a question mark, but might also be in SA within the next three years.

the whole situation around the 2007 draft might of course look different, if the Spurs work out a trade for a SF till dead-line. (and i have no doubt they are working hard on this). i also think that Beno will be one of the assets in such a trade, but also some of the second rounders. (first round pick 2007 can't be traded). if a usefull player can be brought in on this way, it's fine.
(hoping for a trade for a player like Gerald Wallace, James Jones, Mickael Pietrus, Travis Outlaw, Viktor Khryapa, who might be available for the right price))

If they trade up in the draft, they may be in range to get a Corey Brewer, who is alos a great defender. Of course a lot of games between now and then.

I'm not sure Javtokas will be a Spur. Maybe, but I don't expect anything from Mahinmi or Sanikidze in the future. They are both years from helping, maybe even nearly post-Duncan.

It seems teams are stingy with their young SFs. We could add Josh Childress to the list. Atlanta has too many swingmen and old and injury prone point guards. Udrih isn't enough by a long shot, but there could be something there.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

the problem is, that thoses steals are usually not able to contribute right away. it took three years till Manu was brought over. (also because of buyout issues)

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The problem is that you can't find a player ready to contribute with a great upside with a second round. It's either a long term project or a solid role player.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

Mahinmi should join the Spurs in two years (next year will still be to early, two years of euroleague will be the best experience for him)

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Nothing is decided about Mahinmi, it will depend on what he will do this year in euroleague.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

(first round pick 2007 can't be traded).

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2007 first round pick can be traded.

BTW, welcome on this board.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

The Spurs absolutely will trade up or try. Scola may get 10-12 spots in the first round. Two late 2nd rounders might get an early 2nd rounder.

The draft isn't terrible on SFs, and these won't be what most teams are looking for in a big-man draft, but the top flight SFs will be gone very quickly (like Durant, Young).

A lot of the depth will come from good players getting pushed down from one-and-doners, so those guys have to come out.

We're kidding ourselves if all the Spurs look for are SFs. We need to completely revamp our bench. We need to find replacements for Finley, Barry, Horry, Oberto, Elson, and Vaughn. The only young guy we'll still have (I'm considering Udrih is gone) is Butler, and he'll move into the starting lineup. So I expect the Spurs to push for top SFs but take Best Player Available when they can.

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How can you say the Spurs will trade up? The Spurs defy conventional thinking every June on draft day (Mahinmi wasn't even in the program), so it's tough to predict what they'll do.

Secondly, no one bit on Scola last year, so what makes you think someone will come around to him this year?

You're point is well taken that the Spurs' roster needs an overhaul, but I just think it's dumb to assume what the Spurs FO will do on Draft Day 2007, especially when we haven't even begun the 2006 season.

the problem i see with Atlanta and Childress (who is a very interesting player) could be, that if they put him on the market, they will likely get better offers for him, than what Spurs can assemble.
Beno is neither a proven NBA starter and could also be labeled as a bit injury prone.
if Atlanta puts one of their talented SFs on the market to get a PG, they will look for a proven talent, who could solve their PG problems for many years to come.

Bruno - Teams cannot trade their first round picks in subsequent years. They can, however, draft someone for another team, then trade. Not sure if that's what you meant.

PHAT - I am assuming nothing. I'm only talking. Scola's buyout looks to be degraded further next summer. Conflicting reports on that, but it's expected he is less expensive. If you don't want to talk about next year's draft, there are always other threads.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

2007 first round pick can be traded.

BTW, welcome on this board.

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thanks for welcoming me.

isn't there a rule that second rounders can only be traded every other year?
Spurs have traded their 2006 first rounder (to NY).

There is no restriction about second round picks.

The rule about first round picks is :

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#41

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In addition, teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is called the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a future first-round draft pick in consecutive years.

This rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then teams can trade their 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

In addition, teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.

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Interesting. The Spurs can trade their 2007 pick, then, because the 2006 pick does not count.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

Secondly, no one bit on Scola last year, so what makes you think someone will come around to him this year?

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from what i heard about the Scola situation, the asking price of the Spurs was to high and that's why no team bit. It was rumored that the Spurs wanted a first rounder for his rights, but no team sacrifices a fist round pick for a player with buyout issues AND questions about what this player will demand.

the Bulls were supposed to have been interested (understandable, they need the inside scoring Scola could provide and they have a nice expirience with another Argentinian player).
but if the Spurs work out a trade with the Bulls it should be for Khryapa and not for a pick.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

PHAT - I am assuming nothing. I'm only talking. Scola's buyout looks to be degraded further next summer. Conflicting reports on that, but it's expected he is less expensive. If you don't want to talk about next year's draft, there are always other threads.

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Good point on Scola's contract as that may have been what scared some suitors away. Still, I think it'd be nice to see him in a Spurs Uni and with all that turnover you're talking about, he just might be ready to come over and contribute next year.

And I am talking on other threads (you guys and this forum are awesome). I just saw how this thread evolved from talking about what picks we got and how many to discussing what moves will be made and seeing how the Spurs FO makes the most mind-boggling (but surprisingly good) decisions on draft day I thought I'd say my piece. Consider the "piece" said. :D

It's cool, PHAT. I'm overcoming the basketball boredom until the season starts by thinking about next year.

I long wanted Scola to be a Spur but don't think it will happen. In the end, I think he's not considered a good enough defender by the FO. Along with his contract, that's too big a problem.

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but if the Spurs work out a trade with the Bulls it should be for Khryapa and not for a pick.

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Khryapa would definitely help. It's amazing they got him essentially as a throw-in. I'm not sure he's worth Scola, however, but the buyout obviously reduces Scola's value.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Khryapa would definitely help. It's amazing they got him essentially as a throw-in. I'm not sure he's worth Scola, however, but the buyout obviously reduces Scola's value.

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yes, Paxon is definitly a very good GM and the move with Khryapa was genious. Bulls would have picked Thomas anyhow, also with their nr.2 pick, but this way they got also Khryapa for a future second round pick.

I like Khryapa sice i first recognized him with CSKA Moscow in the euroleague. he's not flashy, but one of those players you could call ultimate role player.
(and he could be exactly what we need for defending Dirk)

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Originally Posted by Bruno

2007 second round draft pick from Chicago
Chicago’s own 2007 2nd round pick to San Antonio (top 51 protected). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is in the top 51 picks, then Chicago's obligations to convey a second round pick to San Antonio are extinguished. [Chicago – San Antonio, 10/25/2002]

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Hey, this loss may be a great thing down the line. The Bulls need to finish with a top 10 record for the Spurs to get a 3rd second round pick.

The Spurs were just helping themselves.

:cooldevil

I've only seen that (2nd rounder from Chicago) in one place. Do we have it for certain about the top-9 record thing?

They'll all be wasted anyway. Why are we bothering?

I was checking Draft Express today BEFORE this thread started because I wanted to see what was available as a long SF (6'8" or better). One of Their mock drafts only has four of these rare birds in the top 60 --and that's including underclassmen who they think are likely to come out early.

I know that some guys who played PF wind up at SF in the pros if they can transition, but still, there ain't much out there if Draft Express is right. I'm not familiar enough with the college players to hazard a guess if they are.

It's probably a little early for Mock drafts to be anywhere near correct, but whatever the case, we better hope that among all those tall PFs out there is one who can play SF.

wild - thing is, this draft is chock full of bigs, or should be, if guys like Oden and Hawes come out. Even then, Horfords and Noahs and the like... Teams will be going in fixed on size. Most of the developing teams already have workable SF solutions, so I'm not sure many of the SFs will wind up in the lottery. Kevin Durant, obviously. Corey Brewer, probably, but I'm not sure after that.

:lol I was thinking the same thing after the loss. The bulls need to finish top 10 so we can get their 2nd round pick.

We could put together a nice draft package with the right's to SCOLA, possibily moving up maybe to the 15-20 spot. Granted, if there is a player of interest. Isn't this year expected to be a deep draft?

nice buuuuuump

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We could put together a nice draft package with the right's to SCOLA, possibily moving up maybe to the 15-20 spot. Granted, if there is a player of interest. Isn't this year expected to be a deep draft?

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I see them trying to do the same thing. I'm sure they'll be after someone like Corey Brewer.

Antanas Kavaliauskas - Guy outta A&M...Good hands, solid rebounding, good shooting range. I like Gillispie's system. Might be a good 2nd round prospect. My only objection is that we have Matt Bonner. Kavaliauskas measures in a 6'10, but with time, could guard quicker fowards.

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I see them trying to do the same thing. I'm sure they'll be after someone like Corey Brewer.

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Rudy Fernandez?
(but if he continous to play like he does currently in the Euroleague and the ACB, be will be a top tem pick anyhow)

if both (Brewer and Fernandez) were on the board when the Spurs pick, I really had a hard time if I had to decide.

A quick update at the ASG break and just before the trade dealine (picks are good trade assets).

Spurs have the 27th, 34th and 57th pick in the 07 draft for the moment.

Spurs first round pick should be between 25th and 28th (add 30 for the second round pick).

Bucks pick should be between 33rd and 38th. Let's hope they will decide to tank.

Spurs don't get a pick from Bulls but they are only one game away to be a top 9 tema and to give Spurs the 52th pick. Maybe a Gasol trade can help them to be a top9 team.

so if the cows have a top9 team record we get their 2nd rounder? vice versa.

imagine we get the 4 picks, and dont resign anyone from the bench and let them all expired or retired

then we can always rebuild around tim duncan again

td/tp/gino
barry/oberto/ely/horry/bowen/finley/udrih/vaugn will leave or traded

which leaves bonner, white then euro scrubs who i think should be brought over, javtokas, scola, mahinmi

so thats 8 active players + 4 picks

we can always allow the 4 players pt and tank the season hahahaha

I like Carter from Texas A & M.

Carter likely comes out next year or later.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Bucks pick should be between 33rd and 38th. Let's hope they will decide to tank.

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the Bucks pick looks better and better indeed. they are so bad, that they will end as the 3rd worst team in the league. and it does look as if they decided to tank the season. so it will likely be the no. 33 pick, in this deep draft quite usefull. might also be a way to move up a bit. 3 or 4 spots could be crucial, if some of the players strt to slip more than expected (Brewer? Al Thornton? Splitter? Fernandez? Belinelli ? Tucker?) and are suddenly in the reach of the Spurs. (Bobcats might talk about dealing the no.20 pick they get from Raptors for Spurs pick + Bucks 2nd rounder)

The Milwaukee pick is really aces considering we gave up all of Damir Markota for it. As mountainballah says, it'll likely be just a few steps behind the Spurs' 1st rounder, from 4-8 spots behind. I think Brewer will go lottery, but some of those other guys will probably be available in the late 1st, and it would not be utterly surprising to see an Alando Tucker or some other players drop into the second. As relatively crappy as this year has been, we've been overlooking how nice that pick is.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

As relatively crappy as this year has been, we've been overlooking how nice that pick is.

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yes. it takes some of the pressure how to use the picks. (assuming that the Spurs don't use this pick as a trade bait at deadline, now that the value of this pick has increased)

Spurs can now use one pick more chancier (Arthur, Cook) and the other more conservative (on a nba-ready college senior like Tucker, Almond, Nichols, Law...whoever will be there)

Unfortunately the late 1st will empty out most every excellent player who drops, but there will be guys who drop slated in the late first. Unfortunately Acie Law projects as a lottery pick, but I'd sure as hell hope if he does a Marcus Williams slide the Spurs somehow can pounce. I think other seniors will slide, like always. Depending on how many underclassmen come in, at least a couple will get thrust into the second round. Alando Tucker would be great, or Afflalo, Almond, any of the guys you mention. I would not be thrilled with guys sometimes mentioned on msg boards like Nick Fazekas. We need athletic talent.

I think it's easily possible to come out of this draft with two solid rookies, one a SF and one a PG. Unfortunately the caliber of players who could help the most - Corey Brewer, Jeff Green/Acie Law - will likely be gone by those picks. I'll go ahead and dream now and say we get Green and Law. Two lifetime rotation guys who are potential starter caliber.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Unfortunately the late 1st will empty out most every excellent player who drops, but there will be guys who drop slated in the late first. Unfortunately Acie Law projects as a lottery pick, but I'd sure as hell hope if he does a Marcus Williams slide the Spurs somehow can pounce. I think other seniors will slide, like always. Depending on how many underclassmen come in, at least a couple will get thrust into the second round. Alando Tucker would be great, or Afflalo, Almond, any of the guys you mention. I would not be thrilled with guys sometimes mentioned on msg boards like Nick Fazekas. We need athletic talent.

I think it's easily possible to come out of this draft with two solid rookies, one a SF and one a PG. Unfortunately the caliber of players who could help the most - Corey Brewer, Jeff Green/Acie Law - will likely be gone by those picks. I'll go ahead and dream now and say we get Green and Law. Two lifetime rotation guys who are potential starter caliber.

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i think it could be possible, that this year it works similar to 2003. a good college senior like Josh Howard slipped that far, because to many teams thought, that he doesn't have enough upside left and will end up as an average bench player. same with Korver, James Jones and Luke Walton.
looking at this years draft board (as far as it can be judged right now), it looks quite similar to 2003. Spurs should learn from their mistake of 2003 and draft at least one college senior.

You people make me laugh. A late first rounder can be a lifetime rotation player and potential starter? Lucky if he sticks beyond his required rookie contract guarantee years. They're not much better than second rounders, and come with that guarantee albatross contract.

The best way to re-juve the roster is the Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Stephen Jackson route: players who have been in the L for a year or two, and who's teams give up on them too soon. Every year, there are a couple of decent ones who get caught in a numbers game and get cut. We nabbed White and Butler this year, but usually don't have a roster spot available. In the next couple of years, a few spots will open up.

exstatic, don't be an idiot. Josh Howard and Leandro Barbosa were both at the very end of the 1st. Get out of the discussion if you're not going to contribute.

is our picks are from 25th and down the order....

guys like tiago splitter, marcus williams, acker, nick young and almond are projected to be 20-25, if they slide down, we should go pick a sf/sg combo player instead of drafting bigs.

i prefer we trade all our 2nd rounders and move up including any fuckn deals we can make......

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exstatic, don't be an idiot. Josh Howard and Leandro Barbosa were both at the very end of the 1st. Get out of the discussion if you're not going to contribute.

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Two out of how many? You make my argument for me...

The Spurs basically have 3 major needs.
1) Quality Bigmen (beyond Duncan)
2) The Long SF (Bowen's heir apparent)
3) Backup PG

Frankly, the Spurs probably won't look to draft bigs unless they get an absolute steal. A starting center is needed and unless Oden slips to them (:spin) they won't find a solution in the draft. And with several young bigs needing development (Butler, Mahinmi, Ely?) it makes little sense to add more youth. Factor in the possible signing of Scola and the draft seems further removed.

The Spurs should probably draft at least one SF with one of their 3-4 picks regardless of what they pick up in free agency. But honestly, Bowen is nearing the end of his time as his contract expires at the end of next season. That would leave exactly one season to fully groom any draft pick to assume starter minutes. Frankly, you won't find that guy at the 25th pick. The Spurs will probably look to sign a reasonable player via free agency to fill the upcoming void. The team does also have James White stashed away and he could perhaps grow into something special. So if the team takes a gamble on a second rounder SF they have essentially two chances to score it big. A player like Jonas Maciulis could be a wonderful steal with either the Spurs 2nd rounder or maybe Chicago's (top 51 pending). Jonas has the workings of a shorter Andres Nocioni and would be another Spurs late-draft steal. Obviously though if a player like Alando Tucker wandered into their grasp they would have to pull the trigger. Tucker could quickly step into a solid rotation role at either the 2/3 and is a good bet.

Beno has to go. There is obviously no place on the team for him and it is hurting the Spurs. Fortunately hes young and his contract is small. Therefore, trading Beno would be exceptionally easy. With Vaughn's contract up at the end of the year it leaves only TP at the point. I like the idea of bringing in Orien Greene, but the guy is obviously no backup at this point. The better bet might be to resign a guy like Vaughn next year for the league minimum and draft a young hopeful. Several good players are supposed to still be available at 25-28 that the Spurs might consider. Mustafa Shakur out of Arizona has been having a wonderful season and was ranked as the #2 PG coming out of HS (behind Chris Paul). Hes more of a playmaking PG so he would fit the mold of what Beno was supposed to be better than some other potential draftees. Bobby Brown of Cal-St Fullerton is also intriguing. He has been playing at a low-level of competition but obviously has the skills to be an NBA type of guy. Hes less of a playmaker at this point, but that could be because nobody on his team is really capable of scoring like he can. He'd be available very likely at 34 (Milwaukee's 2nd rounder) and could be nabbed if the Spurs took a guy like Alando Tucker in the first round. Another potential PG to watch is Yannick Bokolo. He currently is playing SG but is probably a little small for the position. He would be a nifty combo guard that the team could draft late in the 2nd and stash overseas for a few years.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Two out of how many? You make my argument for me...

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How many lottery picks have been busts???

The point is not that the Spurs will "definitely" find a David Lee (not previously mentioned), Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa, or player of that calibur, because it is somewhat unlikely. BUT...

No matter how much scouting is done, there are always players that get taken early on "potential" and never work out, just as there are players with little to no "upside" that seem to slip through the cracks. Drafting talent is not an exact science, so yes, it is possible for the Spurs to snag a productive role player or even future starter in the latter part of the first...

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Some, but I'll bet most of those can be lumped into the category Big Man Drafted Too High. :lol I think we basically agree that drafting is an inexact science. The Spurs realize it, too, and since they manage their cap figure as well as anyone in the league, they prefer to go and get some younger players that have a year or two in the league, like Malik, AD, SJax, Butler...rather than rolling the dice (and a multi-year guaranteed contract) on someone with no experience. I just think it's funny that some posters have so little knowledge of how SA operates that they project what THEY would do on to the organization and expect that everyone will acknowledge it as sound, and something the Spurs would do, even though it has no relation to what SA normally does, and in fact is diametrically opposed to it, like going after one of PHO picks in the first round. WTF? :lol

The problem with what SA normally does is that it's clearly caused some problems for them in the last few years and there are plenty of suggestions that they regret what they've done or not done. How many articles have to come out mentioning their regret about passing on Josh Howard before people realize it's highly likely they use these picks on true rookies instead of throwing them away? How many times do we have to hear about how they tried to move up to get a Jarrett Jack or Jameer Nelson before we realize that not only will they try to do the same thing again this year, but they will not de facto avoid domestic players simply because they are not foreign.

There's a lot of speculation about what they'll do with these picks, sure, but it's all founded. The Spurs threw their picks away because the state of the team was far different than it is now. If you're in love with your 'Malik-type player', then you have your man in Jackie Butler. Hell, James White probably counts in this way, too. To say they won't come out of the draft without a rookie on their roster is stupid.

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To say they won't come out of the draft without a rookie on their roster is stupid.

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I agree! They WILL come out of the draft without a draft rookie on the roster, not a first rounder, anyway. :lol

Seriously, I know what you were trying to say, and it is YOU who are stupid, based on history. Since 2001 When Parker was drafted, the Spurs have brought in exactly one first round rookie to their roster, Beno Udrih. Not much of a history for you to stand on and call people stupid, stupid. Do the numbers, and stop being an idiot. They have a roster of 15 now, the MAX. The only contracts that expire, for sure, are Vaughn, Bonner, and Ely. Bonner will probably be back, Ely, probably not. If Vaughn isn't back, he'll likely be replaced by a vet, since Beno sucks ass. That leaves us at 14 players with Bonner and probably a vet PG of some sort coming aboard. That leaves one spot for a player, probably one of ours from Europe or a young NBA player. A first round draft pick is a cap hit for the next three years. Not likely, with the 08 plan in place.

The Spurs consider the odds when they pick low in the 1st round--and that's the reason they select Euros in my opinion.

They DON'T have to give them a guaranteed multi year contract. It is about money--but it's also smart to bet with the odds.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

The Spurs consider the odds when they pick low in the 1st round--and that's the reason they select Euros in my opinion.

They DON'T have to give them a guaranteed multi year contract. It is about money--but it's also smart to bet with the odds.

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Uh, yes they do, according to the CBA. ALL first round picks get a guaranteed mutli year contract. Well, in theory you can renounce the pick. Chicago did that one year late in the Jordan era (Travis Knight). How is that better than offloading it for second rounders, though?

I think the team is only on the hook now for 2 years if the player is really a stinker. Used to be 3 years guaranteed.

I might expect them to be more inclined to draft domestic this coming draft than in previous years because right before the season started they announced the hiring of a Director of College Player Personnel, George Felton.

It was unclear from the article that he had a predecessor, so I would venture that it is a new position for their scouts. I lost my old media guides as well.

If it's new . . . would the Spurs pay a salary to a guy with a title like 'Director' and then not use his advisement? Sure if the guys he likes are gone that's one thing, but it's not unreasonable to take Felton's hiring as a sign that they recognized they needed help domestic-wise.

Ex is pretty much dead on. If the 2008 Plan is in full effect, this first round pick is either going to be a draft-n-stash or traded away for a future pick or a player on a one-year contract (like the Speedy Claxton trade).

In the 13 drafts in the Popovich era, the Spurs have drafted in the first round and kept Cory Alexander, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Beno Udrih. One domestic pick in 13 drafts ... and Alexander was another attempted CIA Pop move because he was injured most of his junior and senior year so Pop told him to hide out so the Spurs could pick him. Basically, they've never taken a straight up domestic prospect in the Popovich era.

The Spurs have never traded for a first round draft pick under Pop. They've never traded up in the first round. To expect them to go out and pick a domestic talent for the first time in 14 years is wishful thinking. To think they are going to pick three or four domestic players is insane.

The most likely scenario is the Spurs use the first round pick on a draft-n-stash or trade it away. The second round pick would be used to draft a point guard (as long as Beno is traded by then). And whatever other picks the Spurs have in the draft will either be traded or used on Euros.

If the Spurs are going to extend the Beno saga one more season, I could very easily see them going into the draft with four picks and coming away with no players for next year's roster.

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Originally Posted by objective

I might expect them to be more inclined to draft domestic this coming draft than in previous years because right before the season started they announced the hiring of a Director of College Player Personnel, George Felton.

It was unclear from the article that he had a predecessor, so I would venture that it is a new position for their scouts. I lost my old media guides as well.

If it's new . . . would the Spurs pay a salary to a guy with a title like 'Director' and then not use his advisement? Sure if the guys he likes are gone that's one thing, but it's not unreasonable to take Felton's hiring as a sign that they recognized they needed help domestic-wise.

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Felton spent the last five years with the Pacers. During that time, Indiana didn't exactly mine gold out of the draft.

They drafted Fred Jones 14th, ahead of Tayshaun Prince and Nenad Krstic. They drafted David Harrison 30th ahead of Anderson Varejao. They drafted Shawne Williams in this year's draft in the first round at 17 (Nothing so far in the NBA and struggled in summer league). They also traded two second round picks for James White. And then cut him :lol

With this guy's track record, I'd rather the Spurs just stick to drafting Euros.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

You people make me laugh. A late first rounder can be a lifetime rotation player and potential starter? Lucky if he sticks beyond his required rookie contract guarantee years. They're not much better than second rounders, and come with that guarantee albatross contract.

The best way to re-juve the roster is the Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Stephen Jackson route: players who have been in the L for a year or two, and who's teams give up on them too soon. Every year, there are a couple of decent ones who get caught in a numbers game and get cut. We nabbed White and Butler this year, but usually don't have a roster spot available. In the next couple of years, a few spots will open up.

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Are you kidding me? Look how many good players have gone 20-30 since 2001:

David Lee (30)
Luther Head (24)
Jordan Farmar (26)
Jameer Nelson (20)
Kevin Martin (26)
Tony Allen (25)
Boris Diaw (21)
Leandro Barbosa (28)
Josh Howard (29)
Tayshaun Prince (23)
Nenad Kristic (24)
Gerald Wallace (25)
Jamal Tinsley (27)
Tony Parker (28)

Every one of these guys would get huge minutes on this team, and half of them would start.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Are you kidding me? Look how many good players have gone 20-30 since 2001:

David Lee (30)
Luther Head (24)
Jordan Farmar (26)
Jameer Nelson (20)
Kevin Martin (26)
Tony Allen (25)
Boris Diaw (21)
Leandro Barbosa (28)
Josh Howard (29)
Tayshaun Prince (23)
Nenad Kristic (24)
Gerald Wallace (25)
Jamal Tinsley (27)
Tony Parker (28)

Every one of these guys would get huge minutes on this team, and half of them would start.

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14 players...7 drafts..that's about a 20% hit rate, and some of those guys have not yet survived their rookie deals.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Felton spent the last five years with the Pacers. During that time, Indiana didn't exactly mine gold out of the draft.

They drafted Fred Jones 14th, ahead of Tayshaun Prince and Nenad Krstic. They drafted David Harrison 30th ahead of Anderson Varejao. They drafted Shawne Williams in this year's draft in the first round at 17 (Nothing so far in the NBA and struggled in summer league). They also traded two second round picks for James White. And then cut him :lol

With this guy's track record, I'd rather the Spurs just stick to drafting Euros.

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I didn't say he was stellar, but imo they're not going to pay this guy a decent front office salary to scout the NCAA only to pre-determinedly draft euros to keep overseas for the next couple of years.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

14 players...7 drafts..that's about a 20% hit rate, and some of those guys have not yet survived their rookie deals.

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I see your point about the Spurs' history of unwillingness to take on contracts, but in my view, the Spurs had no significant "need" at any one position during those times....not the case this year. The Spurs have legitimate needs at SF and PG, and I think they'll even try to trade up if they feel they can address one of these needs.

Attempts to trade up have also been made in the past, suggesting that the Spurs, though inclined to look at veterans, do think that some draftees have the ability to contribute right away.

I think the Spurs will have their eye on a few different players and if they are unsuccessful at getting any of them, they'll do what they always do...trade out of the first round for future picks.

What i got from reading this is that the spurs either have 4 or 5 picks in thsi year's draft, and thats gravy for me because I would really like to see an injection of youth to this lineup. I agree on the looking for bowen replacment, and i would use the rest of the picks to get youthful players. I would, however, like to see Scola come over to SA finally. Based on what people are complaining about this year, the FO has to shake things up this offseason, and that involves. in my opinion, bringing over Scola.


BTW ginobli _is_god,who is the chick that was in your sig?

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14 players...7 drafts..that's about a 20% hit rate, and some of those guys have not yet survived their rookie deals.

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Having a 20% shot of landing a guy to be in your top 8 isn't bad when you're talking maybe $1.8-2.5 million guaranteed over a rookie contract. Ever since 18-19 year-olds started entering the draft in mass in 2001, lots of talent has been getting pushed deep. Now 20-30 isn't much more of a crap-shoot than is 12-19.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Are you kidding me? Look how many good players have gone 20-30 since 2001:

David Lee (30)
Luther Head (24)
Jordan Farmar (26)
Jameer Nelson (20)
Kevin Martin (26)
Tony Allen (25)
Boris Diaw (21)
Leandro Barbosa (28)
Josh Howard (29)
Tayshaun Prince (23)
Nenad Kristic (24)
Gerald Wallace (25)
Jamal Tinsley (27)
Tony Parker (28)

Every one of these guys would get huge minutes on this team, and half of them would start.

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...and the Spurs could've had the ones in bold.

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Having a 20% shot of landing a guy to be in your top 8 isn't bad when you're talking maybe $1.8-2.5 million guaranteed over a rookie contract. Ever since 18-19 year-olds started entering the draft in mass in 2001, lots of talent has been getting pushed deep. Now 20-30 isn't much more of a crap-shoot than is 12-19.

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I disagree with talent being pushed deeper, except maybe the first year or two. Those 18 and 19 year olds didn't make it to college, so the college entry pool was less talented to begin with. That was exposed in last year's dreadful draft when they didn't have the young kids for the first time.

I think we may be having two different discussions, though. You're saying what you think they SHOULD do, and I'm saying what I think they WILL do, which is opt out of the first round this year, and probably next. I think all of their efforts are going in to the '08 plan, and even two of those smallish late round contracts could derail that by not leaving enough to offer someone a MAX deal.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Felton spent the last five years with the Pacers. During that time, Indiana didn't exactly mine gold out of the draft.

They drafted Fred Jones 14th, ahead of Tayshaun Prince and Nenad Krstic. They drafted David Harrison 30th ahead of Anderson Varejao. They drafted Shawne Williams in this year's draft in the first round at 17 (Nothing so far in the NBA and struggled in summer league). They also traded two second round picks for James White. And then cut him :lol

With this guy's track record, I'd rather the Spurs just stick to drafting Euros.

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are you serious?
or is it just a notorious excoriating by using half of the truth or just facts, that are suited to back up your opinion?

First of all: you know, that a scout does his scouting in the first place, you can't blame him for decisions the GM did. so we will also never know about the exactly impact of a scouts work. do you really think Felton just hands over a list of players to Larry Bird and Bird just executes what he is told? that's just naive.

but let's look at Felton's record. I wouldn't claim, that it is the best in the NBA, but it is far from just finding busts. in fact, it is pretty decent.

the Fred Jones pick from 2002 could have been a better pick, but Jones isn't a bust for a mid 1st rounder. picking Tskitishvili with no.5 or Wagner with the no.6, when Amare is still on the board is a major mistake, Picking Jones at no. 14 isn't IMO.

why didn't you mention the drafting of James Jones 2003 (no.49 pick)?
that's a great pick for 2nd half of 2nd round. Jones would likely be the no.6 or 7 in our current rotation, with a chance to become our starting SF 2008.
(Spurs always liked him and might have signed him 2005, if the Finley signing didn't happen)

or the pick of Danny Granger at no. 17 in 2005?
Granger is now the starting SF on a Pacers team that is quite deep at the foreward spots.
in his second season, Granger looks like future all-star potential. a bad pick?

calling the Williams pick a bust is ridiculous in this monent. Williams is picked based on potential, noone expected him to contribute this year, especially not with so many forewards on this pacers roster.
(btw. he also was picked before the Pacers traded for Harrington, Powell and Marshall and signed Baston. that was also the reason, why they cut White. this decisions don't have much to do with the work of Felton)

and btw. the pick of Alexander Johnson looks quite nice today for a no. 45 pick in a weak draft class.

and the Harrison pick has been labeled as one of the steals of the 2004 draft, before Harrison decided to butlerize himself. and the scouting of a player like Varejao isn't exactly the job of a college scout. so why do you blame Felton for the fact, that the Pacers picked Harrison over him?

I'm very unhappy with many moves of the FO in the last years. but for sure not that they hired a college scout, because they are just reacting to a default of the past. Felton isn't the worst option to start with.

timvp is all about specious argument. nicely done, mountainballer.

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timvp is all about specious argument. nicely done, mountainballer.

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...and your'e all about wishful thinking. timvp's argument is based on past behavior of the same group in the Spurs front office.

That past behavior is no longer working. We'll see if the Spurs continue to draw from that well, but I don't think so. My point with timvp is rather that he excels at selective stats to support his arguments.

the fact that they've hired a director of college player personnel is enough to suggest that there will be a change in behavior, unless Holt likes throwing money away.

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That past behavior is no longer working. We'll see if the Spurs continue to draw from that well, but I don't think so. My point with timvp is rather that he excels at selective stats to support his arguments.

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Right, because exactly one team has won the O'Brien since the Spurs have, and gee, we might not win this year. If this model is broken, there are probably somewhere in the high 20s of teams that would like to be broken in exactly the same way. Spurs fans are just spoiled and expect to win every year. Grow up. The Spur braintrust keeps them in contention for a fucking DECADE with smaller ups and downs. Does anyone remember the old rivalries? Portland? shit. Sacto? shit. Lakers? Just finally crawling out of the shit.

I was just wondering about our 2nd rounders this year:

now that it looks more and more that we will have 3 of them (currently no. 35, no. 52 and no. 58), is there a realistic scenario to turn them into a 1st rounder to add to our own 1st rounder?

thinking of Suns. they own 3 1st rounders this year. considering that they are a young team and that they will get something very nice with the Hawks pick and also own the Cavs pick, it would make much more sense for them to trade their own 1 st rounder for multible 2nd rounders they could use for gambles on european players they can leave overseas for some years and wait how the develope.
(in another scenario they could of corse use 2 picks to trade up)

another team that might be interested are the Bobcats, who own the Raptors 1st rounder. (currently no.20). they don't have a 2nd rounder this year, but again have to repleace half the roster. their own pick will be a top pick again, so they might be interested in mutiple picks to get cheap players to fill the roster. the 3 Spurs 2nd rounders alone won't be enough to get a no. 20 pick, but maybe with a sweetener. (Beno? White?)

any thoughts?

I don't think the Spurs are going to want to give guaranteed money to a first-rounder this draft. I look for them to maybe try to package the pick in a trade for a player with an expiring contract. As far as their second rounders go, they will do what they always do, draft a Euro and hope they find a "gem in the rough" like with Ginobili. I like everyone has been tired with the Luis Scola Saga...maybe the Spurs finally do something with him this year, who knows, but really I don't think he is well-suited to play on a Spurs team that needs more athleticism and youth. Basically, he's just a younger version of Fab, so maybe somebody wouldn't mind having him on their team and we get something back in return. I think the Spurs are not really looking to spend alot this offseason, maybe retain Vaughan, Bonner and try to trade Beno, but basically they are saving their cash for 2008 when they can do some damage in free agency.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned Al Thorton from FSU. Anyone have an idea where he might go in the draft???

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I was just wondering about our 2nd rounders this year:

now that it looks more and more that we will have 3 of them (currently no. 35, no. 52 and no. 58), is there a realistic scenario to turn them into a 1st rounder to add to our own 1st rounder?

thinking of Suns. they own 3 1st rounders this year. considering that they are a young team and that they will get something very nice with the Hawks pick and also own the Cavs pick, it would make much more sense for them to trade their own 1 st rounder for multible 2nd rounders they could use for gambles on european players they can leave overseas for some years and wait how the develope.
(in another scenario they could of corse use 2 picks to trade up)

another team that might be interested are the Bobcats, who own the Raptors 1st rounder. (currently no.20). they don't have a 2nd rounder this year, but again have to repleace half the roster. their own pick will be a top pick again, so they might be interested in mutiple picks to get cheap players to fill the roster. the 3 Spurs 2nd rounders alone won't be enough to get a no. 20 pick, but maybe with a sweetener. (Beno? White?)

any thoughts?

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I can't imagine the Suns would deal with us. We helped them out tremendously by giving them Barbosa, but they won't want to return the favor now that they're championship contenders. It wouldn't hurt to try. The Raptors pick (from Charlotte) is likely more available. The Spurs could use the Milwaukee pick to trade up to it. I don't think they'd take a package of 2nd rounders for it. It's just that the Chicago pick, if the Spurs get it, and their own late 2nd rounder, just aren't worth much at all. They could get an earlier 2nd, but not a 1st. All 3 picks? I think the Milwaukee + our first can move up some spots, but those late 2nds probably won't do anything at all.

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned Al Thorton from FSU. Anyone have an idea where he might go in the draft???

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Your great sites here are Draft Express and nbadraft.net. He'll be a lottery pick.

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They could get an earlier 2nd, but not a 1st. All 3 picks? I think the Milwaukee + our first can move up some spots, but those late 2nds probably won't do anything at all.

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well a 1st rounder will be quite expensive this year, so our 3 2nd rounders might not be enough. (sweeten with White?)
about the late 2nd rounders I disagree. in a deep draft, they do have some value. (not that much, but something). the interesting thing for a GM about thoses late 2nd rounders is, that they can only win by using them.
if they find a decent role player, they can take all the props. if the player never makes it to the NBA, people will just call the pick worthless anyhow.
but as we know best, in every draft there are at least 2 or 3 usefull players at 45 or higher.
remember 2005: no.48-Gelabale, no.50-Gomes, no.55-Roberts., jury is still out on no.49 Blatche and btw. the no.60 pick Alex Acker looks really good this year in the eurolegue, I expect him to be back in the NBA soon (he could be interesting for the Spurs also)

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well a 1st rounder will be quite expensive this year, so our 3 2nd rounders might not be enough. (sweeten with White?)

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I just don't think White is worth much. There are a good handful of guys that will be available in the 30s who might already be better than him. Would you take Demetrius Nichols this second over him? I probably would. I don't think teams would put much stock in White at all, even as a sweetener. If anything he'd take up roster space for some other guy.

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Your great sites here are Draft Express and nbadraft.net. He'll be a lottery pick.

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I've never been really impressed with NBAdraft.net's mocks. DraftExpress does a good job though.