Spurs' future draft picks

It's Oden, not Odom.

And isn't it a little too early to start talking about next year's draft seriously? Thanks for the information on what picks the Spurs will have, but NO ONE knows how this draft will shape up. Oden, Noah, Brewer, McRoberts, Durant, Big Baby, and all of the other talents being discussed are underclassmen, so they would have to leave the NCAA. I'm not saying they won't, but we shouldn't make it a foregone conclusion that they will.

Again, thanks for the info and I'm sure the Spurs will do something completely unexpected with their 3 or 4 picks...they always do.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

It's Oden, not Odom.

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hoppla. shame on me.

Spurs picks will be something like 27th, 45th, 54th (maybe) and 57th. Top players won't be available with this kind of picks.
It's up to the FO to find some "steals" (likely in europe).

The Spurs absolutely will trade up or try. Scola may get 10-12 spots in the first round. Two late 2nd rounders might get an early 2nd rounder.

The draft isn't terrible on SFs, and these won't be what most teams are looking for in a big-man draft, but the top flight SFs will be gone very quickly (like Durant, Young).

A lot of the depth will come from good players getting pushed down from one-and-doners, so those guys have to come out.

We're kidding ourselves if all the Spurs look for are SFs. We need to completely revamp our bench. We need to find replacements for Finley, Barry, Horry, Oberto, Elson, and Vaughn. The only young guy we'll still have (I'm considering Udrih is gone) is Butler, and he'll move into the starting lineup. So I expect the Spurs to push for top SFs but take Best Player Available when they can.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Spurs picks will be something like 27th, 45th, 54th (maybe) and 57th. Top players won't be available with this kind of picks.
It's up to the FO to find some "steals" (likely in europe).

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the problem is, that thoses steals are usually not able to contribute right away. it took three years till Manu was brought over. (also because of buyout issues)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

We're kidding ourselves if all the Spurs look for are SFs. We need to completely revamp our bench. We need to find replacements for Finley, Barry, Horry, Oberto, Elson, and Vaughn. The only young guy we'll still have (I'm considering Udrih is gone) is Butler, and he'll move into the starting lineup. So I expect the Spurs to push for top SFs but take Best Player Available when they can.

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of course the Spurs would also take another player than SF, if there is an obvious more talented player, who plays a different position on the board. but as you mention, we need repleacements for Finley and Barry and if we add Bruce, it's three swingmen to be repleaced.
about the older benchplayers: Oberto might be repleaced with Javtokas (in his case i'm still confident that he will join the Spurs), Mahinmi should join the Spurs in two years (next year will still be to early, two years of euroleague will be the best experience for him), Sanikidze is still a question mark, but might also be in SA within the next three years.

the whole situation around the 2007 draft might of course look different, if the Spurs work out a trade for a SF till dead-line. (and i have no doubt they are working hard on this). i also think that Beno will be one of the assets in such a trade, but also some of the second rounders. (first round pick 2007 can't be traded). if a usefull player can be brought in on this way, it's fine.
(hoping for a trade for a player like Gerald Wallace, James Jones, Mickael Pietrus, Travis Outlaw, Viktor Khryapa, who might be available for the right price))

If they trade up in the draft, they may be in range to get a Corey Brewer, who is alos a great defender. Of course a lot of games between now and then.

I'm not sure Javtokas will be a Spur. Maybe, but I don't expect anything from Mahinmi or Sanikidze in the future. They are both years from helping, maybe even nearly post-Duncan.

It seems teams are stingy with their young SFs. We could add Josh Childress to the list. Atlanta has too many swingmen and old and injury prone point guards. Udrih isn't enough by a long shot, but there could be something there.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

the problem is, that thoses steals are usually not able to contribute right away. it took three years till Manu was brought over. (also because of buyout issues)

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The problem is that you can't find a player ready to contribute with a great upside with a second round. It's either a long term project or a solid role player.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

Mahinmi should join the Spurs in two years (next year will still be to early, two years of euroleague will be the best experience for him)

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Nothing is decided about Mahinmi, it will depend on what he will do this year in euroleague.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

(first round pick 2007 can't be traded).

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2007 first round pick can be traded.

BTW, welcome on this board.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

The Spurs absolutely will trade up or try. Scola may get 10-12 spots in the first round. Two late 2nd rounders might get an early 2nd rounder.

The draft isn't terrible on SFs, and these won't be what most teams are looking for in a big-man draft, but the top flight SFs will be gone very quickly (like Durant, Young).

A lot of the depth will come from good players getting pushed down from one-and-doners, so those guys have to come out.

We're kidding ourselves if all the Spurs look for are SFs. We need to completely revamp our bench. We need to find replacements for Finley, Barry, Horry, Oberto, Elson, and Vaughn. The only young guy we'll still have (I'm considering Udrih is gone) is Butler, and he'll move into the starting lineup. So I expect the Spurs to push for top SFs but take Best Player Available when they can.

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How can you say the Spurs will trade up? The Spurs defy conventional thinking every June on draft day (Mahinmi wasn't even in the program), so it's tough to predict what they'll do.

Secondly, no one bit on Scola last year, so what makes you think someone will come around to him this year?

You're point is well taken that the Spurs' roster needs an overhaul, but I just think it's dumb to assume what the Spurs FO will do on Draft Day 2007, especially when we haven't even begun the 2006 season.

the problem i see with Atlanta and Childress (who is a very interesting player) could be, that if they put him on the market, they will likely get better offers for him, than what Spurs can assemble.
Beno is neither a proven NBA starter and could also be labeled as a bit injury prone.
if Atlanta puts one of their talented SFs on the market to get a PG, they will look for a proven talent, who could solve their PG problems for many years to come.

Bruno - Teams cannot trade their first round picks in subsequent years. They can, however, draft someone for another team, then trade. Not sure if that's what you meant.

PHAT - I am assuming nothing. I'm only talking. Scola's buyout looks to be degraded further next summer. Conflicting reports on that, but it's expected he is less expensive. If you don't want to talk about next year's draft, there are always other threads.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

2007 first round pick can be traded.

BTW, welcome on this board.

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thanks for welcoming me.

isn't there a rule that second rounders can only be traded every other year?
Spurs have traded their 2006 first rounder (to NY).

There is no restriction about second round picks.

The rule about first round picks is :

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#41

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In addition, teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is called the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a future first-round draft pick in consecutive years.

This rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then teams can trade their 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

In addition, teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.

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Interesting. The Spurs can trade their 2007 pick, then, because the 2006 pick does not count.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

Secondly, no one bit on Scola last year, so what makes you think someone will come around to him this year?

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from what i heard about the Scola situation, the asking price of the Spurs was to high and that's why no team bit. It was rumored that the Spurs wanted a first rounder for his rights, but no team sacrifices a fist round pick for a player with buyout issues AND questions about what this player will demand.

the Bulls were supposed to have been interested (understandable, they need the inside scoring Scola could provide and they have a nice expirience with another Argentinian player).
but if the Spurs work out a trade with the Bulls it should be for Khryapa and not for a pick.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

PHAT - I am assuming nothing. I'm only talking. Scola's buyout looks to be degraded further next summer. Conflicting reports on that, but it's expected he is less expensive. If you don't want to talk about next year's draft, there are always other threads.

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Good point on Scola's contract as that may have been what scared some suitors away. Still, I think it'd be nice to see him in a Spurs Uni and with all that turnover you're talking about, he just might be ready to come over and contribute next year.

And I am talking on other threads (you guys and this forum are awesome). I just saw how this thread evolved from talking about what picks we got and how many to discussing what moves will be made and seeing how the Spurs FO makes the most mind-boggling (but surprisingly good) decisions on draft day I thought I'd say my piece. Consider the "piece" said. :D

It's cool, PHAT. I'm overcoming the basketball boredom until the season starts by thinking about next year.

I long wanted Scola to be a Spur but don't think it will happen. In the end, I think he's not considered a good enough defender by the FO. Along with his contract, that's too big a problem.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

but if the Spurs work out a trade with the Bulls it should be for Khryapa and not for a pick.

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Khryapa would definitely help. It's amazing they got him essentially as a throw-in. I'm not sure he's worth Scola, however, but the buyout obviously reduces Scola's value.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Khryapa would definitely help. It's amazing they got him essentially as a throw-in. I'm not sure he's worth Scola, however, but the buyout obviously reduces Scola's value.

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yes, Paxon is definitly a very good GM and the move with Khryapa was genious. Bulls would have picked Thomas anyhow, also with their nr.2 pick, but this way they got also Khryapa for a future second round pick.

I like Khryapa sice i first recognized him with CSKA Moscow in the euroleague. he's not flashy, but one of those players you could call ultimate role player.
(and he could be exactly what we need for defending Dirk)

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Originally Posted by Bruno

2007 second round draft pick from Chicago
Chicago’s own 2007 2nd round pick to San Antonio (top 51 protected). If Chicago's own 2007 2nd round pick is in the top 51 picks, then Chicago's obligations to convey a second round pick to San Antonio are extinguished. [Chicago – San Antonio, 10/25/2002]

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Hey, this loss may be a great thing down the line. The Bulls need to finish with a top 10 record for the Spurs to get a 3rd second round pick.

The Spurs were just helping themselves.

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I've only seen that (2nd rounder from Chicago) in one place. Do we have it for certain about the top-9 record thing?

They'll all be wasted anyway. Why are we bothering?

I was checking Draft Express today BEFORE this thread started because I wanted to see what was available as a long SF (6'8" or better). One of Their mock drafts only has four of these rare birds in the top 60 --and that's including underclassmen who they think are likely to come out early.

I know that some guys who played PF wind up at SF in the pros if they can transition, but still, there ain't much out there if Draft Express is right. I'm not familiar enough with the college players to hazard a guess if they are.

It's probably a little early for Mock drafts to be anywhere near correct, but whatever the case, we better hope that among all those tall PFs out there is one who can play SF.

wild - thing is, this draft is chock full of bigs, or should be, if guys like Oden and Hawes come out. Even then, Horfords and Noahs and the like... Teams will be going in fixed on size. Most of the developing teams already have workable SF solutions, so I'm not sure many of the SFs will wind up in the lottery. Kevin Durant, obviously. Corey Brewer, probably, but I'm not sure after that.

:lol I was thinking the same thing after the loss. The bulls need to finish top 10 so we can get their 2nd round pick.