How do you play basketball without showing emotion?

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

All calls of this nature will be purely subjective, as no criteria has really been set. It's kind of like the "strike zone" for baseball umpires...some have different degrees of tolerance and it's up to the hitters and catchers to understand those tolerances before they go into the game.

As this newly "tightened" rule gets enforced, players, coaches, and officials alike will get familiar with eachother and eventually it will normalize. Of course there will still be biases (human nature) against guys like Rasheed Wallace, Ron Artest, etc.

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True, but the bottom line is that a guy needs two technicals before he gets tossed. So if a player gets one that means he needs to shut up. It's like a guy with five personal fouls swatting at every dribbler and going for blocks, and then complaining that he got called for his sixth foul. If Rasheed just shuts up it's amazing how few technicals he'd get. In fact, if he'd show any effort at restraint or respect of the officials, he'd probably get more benefit of the doubt than he deserves.

I love the new rule emphasis, and I am sure they will loosen up in regards to a few things.

If you get a big dunk or block, you should be allowed to scream. Not taunt, mind you, but scream. Damnit, you did it, you deserve to celebrate a little. That being said, don't further belittle the other guy. Celebrate if you want, but don't carry it into aggression toward someone else. If anything, you should be thanking them for being your bitch and getting you play in SportCenter.

I expect this to be allowed once the refs have established the new emphasis.

I love how they started the season by ejecting Melo and Rasheed. They set at precedent and said, "hey, look guys. We won't tolerate this anymore. Play the game and let us make the calls. As we see them. If we see them." It will never stay this strict, as we have seen with changes in prior seasons.

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How do you play basketball without showing emotion?

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Sometimes the Rasho jokes write themselves.

And the refs need to dial it down a notch and enforce the rule as written. Otherwise this is going to be a long ass season. If they keep calling it this way the games will get bogged down with stoppages that kill the flow of the game. And once the players actually adjust to this stuff the NBA will left with a sterile, lifeless game. You might as well watch two people play NBA Live on the Playstation if this keeps up.

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

Sometimes the Rasho jokes write themselves.

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:lol


I agree with what pretty much everyone has said. There's no need for such a tight reign. Yeah all the whining was getting old so of course some enforcement is needed but we still want SOME type of emotion allowed. Maybe they should've thought this through some more before then enacted it.

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

Sometimes the Rasho jokes write themselves.

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:lmao

Well, to be fair, sometimes he made the "oh, darn it" fist :lol

Rasho is the only player I have ever seen audibly question why he has the ball before deciding what to do with it.

I like Elson's approach. Jump first, figure out who to make your bitch later.

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

Sometimes the Rasho jokes write themselves.

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Actually, Rasho already got a technical this year- in the pre-season nonetheless. :D

no more emo guys in teh league?

That technical on Elson was "retarded".

If Stern was the commissioner of the PGA he'd probably T'up Tiger Woods for pumping his fist after sinking a long putt.

I think the tight reign is a necessary step to get complaining in line. In a couple of weeks -- maybe a couple of months -- I suspect that the officials will back off (as they always seem to with new interpretations and points of emphasis) because the level of complaining will be reduced from what it had been, which is the ultimate goal of this program. I also suspect that officials have been instructed to be sure to enforce the rule against high profile players to make sure that everyone fears he might be called. Not a conspiracy, but certainly another point of emphasis.

Did anyone else notice that Ed Rush was getting a little caught up in his own emotions as well when he handed out the T? There was one sequence where he looked genuinely mad at everyone for even contemplating doing anything more than kissing his backside. I hope that these new rules do not create a god complex in some of these officials.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I think the tight reign is a necessary step to get complaining in line. In a couple of weeks -- maybe a couple of months -- I suspect that the officials will back off (as they always seem to with new interpretations and points of emphasis) because the level of complaining will be reduced from what it had been, which is the ultimate goal of this program. I also suspect that officials have been instructed to be sure to enforce the rule against high profile players to make sure that everyone fears he might be called. Not a conspiracy, but certainly another point of emphasis.

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If Nash hasn't gotten a technical yet, your theory loses all air. :)

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Originally Posted by sandman

Did anyone else notice that Ed Rush was getting a little caught up in his own emotions as well when he handed out the T? There was one sequence where he looked genuinely mad at everyone for even contemplating doing anything more than kissing his backside. I hope that these new rules do not create a god complex in some of these officials.

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I saw that too. Other than the taunting call I think he did pretty well, though.

I think the ref was pissed cause he was working overtime, cause his buddy ref got knocked the fuck out

Nash, Cassell, a couple of others who I can't immediately recall.

With the notable exception of Carmelo, it's still a star system when it comes to handing out T's.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I saw that too. Other than the taunting call I think he did pretty well, though.

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Actually thought the game resembled what players dealt with all those years ago when there were only two refs as the norm. Calls get missed on both sides, and the savvy players take advantage of it. I thought the Spurs muscled up a bit knowing that two refs could not catch what three would.

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Originally Posted by sandman

Actually thought the game resembled what players dealt with all those years ago when there were only two refs as the norm. Calls get missed on both sides, and the savvy players take advantage of it. I thought the Spurs muscled up a bit knowing that two refs could not catch what three would.

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Other than the Tony Parker one foot travel and the three second call with nobody in the paint I thought the second half was pretty good. If nothing else it was basically a wash, which is all you can hope for as a fan.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Other than the Tony Parker one foot travel and the three second call with nobody in the paint I thought the second half was pretty good. If nothing else it was basically a wash, which is all you can hope for as a fan.

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Wasn't implying blown calls as much as referring to the absence of some of the ticky-tacky fouls that seem to bust up the rhythm of the game. I would say that the lack of a third official did not hurt in managing the game. Of course, I am sure that Mavs fans would disagree, but it was their team who turned into the non-physical jump shooters in the second half. And why oh WHY does dirk not get called for travelling on that spin move at the high post where he looks like he jumps sideways/fadaway off the non-pivot foot at the end of the spin?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

If Nash hasn't gotten a technical yet, your theory loses all air. :)

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Well, I didn't mean to suggest that they'd go after all of the stars in every circumstance -- just that it makes sense that they'd show some force in being unafraid, initially, to T up some stars to make the point.

I'm probably wrong, though -- just ask ShoogarBear. :)

How do you play basketball without showing emotion? Simple.

Hit the open man, knock down the jumper, box out, and D up.

If you need histrionics to enjoy your game, watch wrestling.


There is a place for emotion. Play to the crowd. Lay a five on a teammate after an alleyoop. Let loose a mighty yell (not in your opponent's face) after a big play.

These are positive emotions. Taunting and acting the fool after a bad call are negative emotions. As the application of this rule stabilizes, officials will give guys a little more rope, and some guys will learn to regulate themselves. This is a good rule. I hate all the bellyaching to officials. Some complaining? Fine. But make your point and move on. Leave the bitching to the coaches.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Well, I didn't mean to suggest that they'd go after all of the stars in every circumstance -- just that it makes sense that they'd show some force in being unafraid, initially, to T up some stars to make the point.

I'm probably wrong, though -- just ask ShoogarBear. :)

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My point was that Nash has deserved at least two technicals by the new enforcement. There's no easier way to get Scoop Jackson saying it's a racist rule than to NOT give Nash a T when he does that stupid shit.

I hate to say I told you so Spurs fans! Here's one for ya from the man who the rule was created, Rasheed Wallace. Tonight against Utah, Sheed went to the hole, made the shot and was fouled, and shouted the most evil words ever heard to mankind, "AND ONE"! And yes he was T'ed up by Stupid Steve Javie, who was behind the play and down the court away from the action. So now, you are T'ed up for celebrating a basket. But remember, Rasheed was T'ed up for saying "waa" and for looking at a ref! STERNS' VULCAN-NO EMOTION RULE MUST DIE!

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Originally Posted by GOBLUEADAM

I hate to say I told you so Spurs fans! Here's one for ya from the man who the rule was created, Rasheed Wallace. Tonight against Utah, Sheed went to the hole, made the shot and was fouled, and shouted the most evil words ever heard to mankind, "AND ONE"! And yes he was T'ed up by Stupid Steve Javie, who was behind the play and down the court away from the action. So now, you are T'ed up for celebrating a basket. But remember, Rasheed was T'ed up for saying "waa" and for looking at a ref! STERNS' VULCAN-NO EMOTION RULE MUST DIE!

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Ridiculous, these new rules are outta control. Avery getting ejected AFTER he walked away from Danny Crawford with barely two secs between the first and second fouls was funny. Sure he deserved the first tech, but definitely not the second one.

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Originally Posted by GOBLUEADAM

I hate to say I told you so Spurs fans! Here's one for ya from the man who the rule was created, Rasheed Wallace. Tonight against Utah, Sheed went to the hole, made the shot and was fouled, and shouted the most evil words ever heard to mankind, "AND ONE"! And yes he was T'ed up by Stupid Steve Javie, who was behind the play and down the court away from the action. So now, you are T'ed up for celebrating a basket. But remember, Rasheed was T'ed up for saying "waa" and for looking at a ref! STERNS' VULCAN-NO EMOTION RULE MUST DIE!

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You are so fucking retarded. Rasheed yelled "and one" and then did the "ah, phooey, forget you" wave toward the officials, which was a point of emphasis LAST YEAR by the league.

Moron.

Another example:
Assistant coach Dave Cowens was slapped with a tech, the Pistons' third.
"All Dave said was, 'We are just trying to win the game,' " Saunders said.
He was already back in the huddle when the tech was called.

This call was made in the final two minutes of a close game with the jazz up by only one. I think the new rule could do some good in terms of getting the players to cut back on their complaining, but they probably need to set clearer guidelines as to what actions warrant a tech. There's just too much of a gray area here.