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Grades are back this year. I slacked off last season but I'm going to try to do them for every game this year. In the new format, I grade each player on their offense, defense and intangibles.
I'm going to add a couple features as the season progresses as the stats start rolling in. I'm also planning some interactive features.
Here are the grades for the Spurs @ Mavericks.
Last season you started with this grades but then stopped doing that.
Why?
Or were they only on fullsport?
I stopped because I didn't have the time. This year I will force myself to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
:drunk
Beno Udrih
After missing almost all of training camp and preseason, Udrih came out and played flawless basketball in game number one. With eight points, four assists and no turnovers in 13 minutes, the Spurs got exactly what they want from their backup point guard. If he can avoid injuries and continue to play at this level, Udrih will be one of the best backup point guards in the NBA.
O Grade: 100
D Grade: 97
Intangibles: 100
Final Grade: 99
:lmao
I don't know why it's funny. Remember, the players aren't graded against each other. They are graded against how well they are capable of playing. Beno played about as flawless as he can play.
:tu I'm looking forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I know , but after what LJ was saying about Beno all that preaseason that (99 and 'can be the best backup PG) made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I've always said Beno has the talent. It's up to him to work hard and prove to everyone he wants to be a good NBA player.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
Funny is that it's funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
His stats.
(8 pts, 4 ast in 14 min) is like
(20 pts, 10 ast in 34 min)
If you look at TP's
(19 pts, 3 ast in 34 min)
it dosn't look so bad for backup PG.
It is great to see grades back. I just love them.
Maybe you should add Pop´s grade and grade players impact in the final result (you know all that little things they do, like change the momentum by great dunk or great assist, steal, block etc).
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Ohh, and what my title says :)
No it doesn't and we are happy about it. I'm not laughing at timvp, but it was soo different from calling him a puss, wuss etc. that it made an instant laugh. I need laugh in my life believe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibic
So plus for timvp :)
And what I can add that those 2, Beno and Elson grades were the most emotional from LJ. The surprise duo in the opener.
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
So . . I clicked on all four ads (*holds nose*).
Only one I quibble with is Horry gets 78 on offense??? He was even wores offensively than Duncan.
While I enjoy the grades stuff myself there's a myth that they're super bad luck on a team.
Spurs tank this season to get a special draftee I'm superstitiously putting it on you buddy :P
Good article. Not worried about Duncan's off game, we all know he starts the season off slow anyway. I'm most excited about Elson's play. It should put all the doubters to rest for awhile.
Oberto needs to play better, if only because he's on my fantasy team.
I don't know about worse than Tim on O ... Tim bricked a couple shots pretty badly early on. I'm really wondering what caused it, new ball in a regular season game or what? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Beno was very suprising, especially with NO turnovers, something we all know he is very capable of ... hah! :spin
:tuQuote:
Beno Udrih
After missing almost all of training camp and preseason, Udrih came out and played flawless basketball in game number one. With eight points, four assists and no turnovers in 13 minutes, the Spurs got exactly what they want from their backup point guard. If he can avoid injuries and continue to play at this level, Udrih will be one of the best backup point guards in the NBA.
O Grade: 100
D Grade: 97
Intangibles: 100
Final Grade: 99
Beno's doing awesome. I'm super proud of him. :)
Props to everyone- Elson was the surprise for me. I didn't anticipate that he would do so well so quickly.
Intangibles for Tim Duncan 56? That's failing, please explain.
btw, I didn't see the game.
Tim actually screwed up a couple of good runs the Spurs had.
I have a question about the grades. Are they based on the player's ability, eg played to 85% of 100 max or value to the team or some other construct.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Fuck that. I'm not buying season tickets to the Knicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Clickee, no buyee.
(:lol that wasn't even intended to be a LaChino crack, but oh, well.)
Yes! I always loved the grades threads, especially for games I wasn't able to watch. Much more enlightening than just a box score or an article. Glad to have them back.
NO KISSES FROM KORI TELL YOU DO :devilQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Steve Kerr gets a F for looking like he has a wig on.
Marv Albert gets an A for actually having a wig on.
Thanks.
Thanks LJ.
The season you went all the way with you grades was the season the Spurs went all the way.
Keep that in mind.
If you fail, let it be on your head.
I didn't like Duncan's energy or aggressiveness last night at all. For a lot of minutes, he was the worst Spur on the court. While most of the Spurs came out fired up, Duncan was flat and timid ... thus the low intangibles score.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Yeah, the grades are based on each player's potential. For example, Udrih didn't play that much but he was nearly flawless, so his grade reflects that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
That's not to say that Beno was the second best Spur last game, but that he played about as well as Beno Udrih could play.
FWIW, the plus/minus numbers from last night:
+8 -- Finley
+7 -- Duncan
+6 -- Udrih
+4 -- Elson
+3 -- Horry
+3 -- Bowen
+1 -- Vaughn
EVEN -- Parker
-1 -- Oberto
-1 -- Ginobili
Pretty well reflects the back-and-forth nature of the game, I think. I thought Manu was much, much more effective last night than this number would indicate, but that's the imperfect quality of any metric.
i thought duncan looked good the first few minutes but then after diop started getting physical and blocked a couple of his shots duncan took a few jumpers in a row. he still played good help D on dirk and came up big with that put back down the stretch.
Nice work Mr TIM Vice President!
Timmy's putback at the end to put the Spurs back up by 4 probably ended any real threat by the Mavs. For that reason alone I might have scored him a little higher, but he'd probably agree that he didn't earn a passing grade last night.
I thought the same thing you did about Beno's performance. Great game. The team didn't lose a step with him on the floor. It was nice to see. With VanX last post season I would be counting the seconds until Pop would pull him. It would be nice to have a point guard who could be reliable behind Tony.
Pretty good work for 17 seconds worth.Quote:
+1 -- Vaughn
Plaese have something in mind: a single point was NOT scored on Beno last night.
So he pleyed great defence too.
PS: I just saw the game.
beno also did a good job when he was trapped hard about mid court and got the ball out... it looked like it was about to be a turn over.
agreed....grade for pop cause there are many nights when members here are all over his neckQuote:
Originally Posted by Slo spurs fan
Good idea about grading Pop. I will add that from now on.
Based on their performances, those grades are dead-on
You will have a lot to do after tonight´s game :(Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I have a feeling a lineup of TD/Elson or Butler/Bnner/Manu/TP or is our best. Yeah, I know I left Bowen off, but really he's not doing as well defensively as he used too, since the rules have tightened and he's gotten older. We can bring him in against the good shooting guards, but he can't deal with these big 3s. Yeah, I know Bonner can't either, but at least he gives us some rebounding. Bowen is the worst rebounding SF in the L, which is where our woes there starts and gets shoved aside in the paint by big 3s when trying to box out. We lose nothing on offense with Bonner, and gain rebounding. Elson quickness and good help D will make up for Bonner's lapses.
You are crazy if you think Bowen isn't going to start. He's still the best perimeter defender in the league.
And you realize Bonner isn't a good rebounder, right?
Bonner is a better rebounder than Bowen. He still sux for a SF, but not incredibly so, and he can box strong players out in the paint to allow someone else to get the rebound. Bowen just gets overpowered now. Bowen is a great defender against shooting, agile wingmen. If there's one we got to slow down, then he should get the start. Against a team like the Cavs, he not very effective.
No one was going to slow down LeBron today. Especially not Matt Bonner. He's slow, out of shape, and just a shooter.
Id love to find the guy that can "stop" Lebron.
That guy doesn't exist yet.
He shot 8-23 I thought though, not bad.....
WC 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park