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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Bruce is 6'7"/200 lbs, it's quite logical that he is a bad rebounder at the SF spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
Bottomline is that you can't be a dominant team in every aspect of the game. With Bruce, Spurs is a dominant defensive team but is too an average rebounding team.
"quite logical that he is a bad rebounder at the SF spot."
bullshit. 4-inches shorter Tony Parker from his PG spot is better career rebounder than Bruce.
Hey, I'm not going to leave Bowen out of this discussion. I don't care if he's defended out on the perimeter on defense or spotting up in the corners on the offensive end. He can and should do more to crash the boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Rebounding is about heart, desire and effort. Skills that Bowen has an abundance of.
I know Bruce isn't a terribly good physical specimen built for rebounding and sometimes he's out on the perimeter--but with as many minutes as he gets and by blocking out his man, he ought to get more rebounds than he does in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
It's not as though he doesn't play tough and physical when he thinks he can get away with it. :devil He just doesn't have the mindset to block out his man and then go after the ball.
Sure rebounding has nothing to do with being strong to get the position, being long and jumping high...Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Bowen has some difficulties to block his man. Is it because he hasn't the mindset to do it or is it because he isn't strong enough to do it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
I think the main reason is that he isn't strong enough but it's just my POV.
I don't say that Bruce being a bad rebounder is a good thing but just that he isn't able to be a good rebounder because he hasn't the physical tools to be a good rebounder.
Bowen can get more rebounds than he gets. But he's not going to become that much better for two reasons. One is that he isn't strong at all, as Bruno explained. The other is that he'll never get many O boards at all because his mindset is to immediately look to get on D as soon as the ball goes up.
Blocking out an opponent isn't always about sheer strength. It's knowing how to get an angle immediately to position yourself between the offensive player and the probable arc of the rebound. That's why Russell says he could rebound against bigger stronger players like Chamberlain. All good rebounders have that instinct. But you also have to be willing to put yourself in harm's way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Then if the offensive player wants the rebound he has to go through you--that's not fun when the guy is bigger and stronger, but you put yourself in the position of picking up a foul on the other guy which is sometimes even more valuable than the rebound.
In the last 14 games the Spurs have played going back to last year's playoffs, they've outrebounded the other team in 1 of those games. One. Uno.
That's disgusting. And unless the Spurs figure out how to solve that, they aren't a championship caliber team. The easiest way to solve the problem would be for the bigmen to start rebounding at a higher clip.
So far this season, here are the rebounding stats per 40 minutes:
Robert Horry - 14.0
Tim Duncan - 12.1
Fabricio Oberto - 9.1
Francisco Elson - 7.8
Horry is doing a great job on the boards. Duncan and Oberto need to add about a rebound each to their numbers. Elson, for as well as he's played in all other aspects, hasn't rebounded very well to begin the season. If he can get that number up to around 10, then I believe the Spurs could become a decent enough rebounding team.
However, until rebounding is corrected, it's going to be a concern for this team.
Trade for Reggie, he hasn;t even got off the bench in the first 2 games for the Nuggets.
I hate what they have done, they spent the MLE on a guy just to use for trade bait :drunk just like last season with Earl Watson.
I hope im wrong and that he plays next game coz his rebounding is insane. It maye be that we dont need him as much as last year coz Kmart (10rpg) and Nene (5rpg in limited minutes) are healthier and picking up more boards.
Get on the phone and get a third team involved with the Nuggets and Spurs that lands you Reggie and us another guard that can shoot :smokin
I would love Reggie. What a shame it is that he's on the bench. How's his attitude? Shooters, we got several, but I don't you want any except for Manu which we won't give up: Bowen (probably untradeable), Finley, Barry, Horry, Beno, Bonner. Anything there you like? Doubtful.
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Originally Posted by Nero
His attitude has been fine in Denver and there have been no issues (except for the nutgrab on Kaman :lol) but he will likely get upset if he doesn't get ANY playing time :pctoss
There would be noone of the Spurs that the Nuggets would want except for Manu and we all know that isnt happening. I think something could only happen with a third team involved.
Great point. Against possible WC PO teams I think we can only beat PHO. We'd get crushed by Mavs, SAC, Lakers, Denver, Utah. Houston and Minny would probably beat us too, though I don't think as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
I don't know why I should forget about free throws. That should be much easier to fix than rebounding.
it should be, but rebounding i think is something we can find a quicker change in than the gradual improvement that comes with free throw shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
If rebounding really is about heart, desire, and hustle, then the team needs to nut up and crash the boards.
It was sickening last night seeing the Cavs miss 2 straight shots only to get their board on the third straight try and nail a 3 ball from Marshall.
I would love for TD to average 13-15 rebounds a game and if we could get one of our centers pulling down at least 7-8 boards a game i think that'd be nice too.
I was surprised we were able to pull even with Dallas on the rebounding scale (although not playing small ball probably helped)
How many times last season did we lose a game on a put back or on a failure to box out?
It's disgusting
As frustrating as missing free throws are, it has almost gotten to the point where it feels like a lost cause in some of our players
But rebounding, no way, the team has to hustle a hell of a lot more.
I'd love to see where we rank in the league in terms of offensive rebounding