Parker or Ginobili: Who Takes the Bigger Next Step?

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Brodels, Manu is already a better playmaker than Parker and is emerging as a consistent second scorer.

Parker?

More of the same inconsistency.

If Kidd came to the Spurs, you would expect him to be a score-first PG?

Um, no.

Parker is not a good playmaker, regardless of what you think his primary responsibility is on this team.

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And there isn't anything wrong with that.

It comes down to this:

- The Spurs can still win if Parker doesn't improve his playmaking skills.

- The Spurs cannot win if Parker doesn't score some points.

His ability to score is more important to the Spurs than his playmaking ability. There are lots of playmakers. There aren't many scorers. It's as simple as that.

Who cares where he falls in relation to other point guards? If he's doing what the Spurs need him to do to win, it doesn't matter. And the Spurs need him to score more than they need him to suddenly get great court vision.

TP would have more leeway to run n gun and score when coming off the bench....if it was to ever come to that....

Parker or Ginobli? My gut tells me it'd have to be Manu. Couldn't tell you why. Just a hunch.

Tony just needs to stop shooting all of those 3s. He can't hit them.

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Originally Posted by desflood

Parker or Ginobli? My gut tells me it'd have to be Manu. Couldn't tell you why. Just a hunch.

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oh god thats a difficult hunch to take now, when manu is 21 ppg with 6 prg and 3 stpg along with shooting 50 percent from the field,

mean while parker is struggling btw, while i said this before the first game.

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Originally Posted by Rynospursfan

Tony just needs to stop shooting all of those 3s. He can't hit them.

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Especially with 15 secs left on the shot clock...he thinks he is Steve Kerr and keeps jacking up 3s all the time. I do not think he is over 20% for the year, for Chissakes.

Parker, you are a point guard!!! Not a shooter!!! Freaking French always have higher opinions of themselves than they should. :rolleyes

Ginobili is the one who will be the next star for the Spurs, not Tony. I would say Tony can be that next star in about two years. Right now, Ginobili is ready to break out and show the NBA he is more than a star in Argentina.

With most Shooting Guards, you only hope for adequate defense and a little rebounding.

Manu's defense is 'inspired madness' that can disrupt an opposing team's offense and demoralize them, especially in one of his crazy streaks.

He's now been in the league long enough, and has the Gold medal confidence, that he will be able to 'bring it' nearly every night.

I've thought that Manu's been bringing it since he came into the league. He just hasn't been rewarded with the mins. and the freedom to do what he does best. He made some risky passes that became TO's and last year he would've been on the bench soon after. This year, life goes on and he is playing like he does for his Argentinean team. In control.

The reason I think Manu's minutes are limited are because of his style of play. I think since he plays so hard, he sits a little more because of the energy that he puts out.

Pop takes Manu out with five/six minutes to go in the first quarter and then puts him back in with a minute or two left in the quarter. He is managing his minutes well. If he plays around 28-31 minutes and the minutes are managed well -- Manu will be able to handle the season. With the energy he puts out, it wouldn't be bright for Pop to play him a whole quarter straight, etc.

I think it's funny how most people here have tried to convince me for a couple years now that Parker is a top 5 PG and he's the second star and all that.

Meanwhile, Manu has actually delivered on a more consistent basis, doing more than simply scoring, but actually contributing across the board.

Of the 2 neither will ever become a dominant force like Duncan. Manu I don't think will ever become a 20 point scorer but rather a stat filler type guy. Someone who can get you 15 pts 6 boards 5 assists 2 steals and 1 block a game. Parker has the best chance of becoming the 20 point scorer but hes never gonna be a high assist man I'd say he tops out around 6-7 a game.

Interesting.

I'd love Parker to get 6-7 assists a game.

Manu can score 18-20 a game. I really think he can.

There's about 10 people in the NBA that are close Duncan's level, Ice.

I'm just looking for someone that might be an All-Star reserve for krissakes.

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I think it's funny how most people here have tried to convince me for a couple years now that Parker is a top 5 PG and he's the second star and all that.

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i think it's funny that you think it's funny GW...

sincerely,

your first post in this thread.

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While I think Manu brings more intangibles to the table, I feel like Parker is going to assume more a leadership role on this team and establish himself as a consistent, second star for the Spurs, with Manu being the third-best Spur as a jack-of-all-trades.

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Manu's improved shooting touch from long range has come out of nowhere, and frankly, i'm very pleasantly surprised.......it would be nice if some of whatever Manu did in the offseason rubs off on TP. :smokin

Not sure your point, bigzak, but every year I'm told thta this is Parker's year and I find myself getting excited over all the hype.

I would still take 10 PGs over Parker today.

Manu is legit.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

I would still take 10 PGs over Parker today.

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Name them.

$10 says he names Jason Hart.

i'd say nash, marbury, and wade right now. 10 pgs in the nba better though? i dunno about that.....

As many high quality takes as I've seen in this forum lately I suppose we need Ghost to average the overall forum quality down a bit.

Ten Superior PGs to Parker
R. Alston
C. Billups
A. Iverson
S. Francis
J. Terry
B. Davis
G. Arenas
S. Nash
M. Bibby
S. Marbury


M. Williams, Z. Planinic, D. Harris, L. Ridnour, M. Jaric and A. Miller are all outperforming Parker.

Old men like K. Anderson and S. Cassell have better numbers thus far.

J. Williams, J. Tinsley and G. Payton are doing better than Parker this year.

Former Spurs PGS like C. Ward, A. Daniels, S. Claxton and J. Hart are all having better seasons than Parker so far.

How my doin'?

Right on cue. Good work, Boxscore Bitch © 2004 MB Enterprises, Inc.

Got [email protected], I don't even know where to begin. Zoran Planinic? Charlie Ward?

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i'd also say bobby jackson is he could stay healthy and was 10 years younger....but he can't and he isn't....

don't think my replay went thru- can someone explain the difference between shooting guard and point guard to me. Is there a difference. Are there point guards that are also shooint guards? Examples?? thank you all for your patience in having me learn the game, maybe a year from now I can hold a decent conversation with you guys