Ginobili Has found his place, coming off the bench

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Originally Posted by spurschick

If the biggest problem the Spurs face is whether or not Manu should come off the bench, we should start moving the banners over to make room for the next one.

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well said

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Originally Posted by spurschick

If the biggest problem the Spurs face is whether or not Manu should come off the bench, we should start moving the banners over to make room for the next one.

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yeah :toast

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Originally Posted by smeagol

I remember people who now want Manu desperately coming off the bench, wanting Manu desperately to start.

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I deperately want Manu to stay healthy through the length of his contract. However that may be achieved, I'm fer it.

yeah ok i think the bench theory has dissolved

Yeah, couldn't be that you already had your mind made up regardless of the facts, could it?

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Originally Posted by Emanuel20

yeah ok i think the bench theory has dissolved

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The most predictable change following the Laker loss was Manu going back to the starting lineup. Pop does this all the damn time. No matter how well it works the moment they lose a game he moves him back to the starting lineup. Its knee jerk.

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

Yeah, couldn't be that you already had your mind made up regardless of the facts, could it?

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True

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The most predictable change following the Laker loss was Manu going back to the starting lineup. Pop does this all the damn time. No matter how well it works the moment they lose a game he moves him back to the starting lineup. Its knee jerk.

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Lakers beat us bad......but overall gino seems pretty good off the bench but when he starts he is in the fourth from 6 minute mark......not like when Pop put him in the 3 minute mark during lakers game ...and then tony was just trying to let us know that he is "clutch player"....when we all know and even tony knows he is not...he even did not make his FTs

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Originally Posted by Emanuel20

Lakers beat us bad......but overall gino seems pretty good off the bench but when he starts he is in the fourth from 6 minute mark......not like when Pop put him in the 3 minute mark during lakers game ...and then tony was just trying to let us know that he is "clutch player"....when we all know and even tony knows he is not...he even did not make his FTs

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seriously, you're the Manu church version of ducks, equally idiotic

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

seriously, you're the Manu church version of ducks, equally idiotic

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:tu

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

seriously, you're the Manu church version of ducks, equally idiotic

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what can i say....i was in argentina for 3 weeks...and i tell you they fill your head with...........MANU

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

seriously, you're the Manu church version of ducks, equally idiotic

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Good call, just like Ducks brings up Manu out of the blue in reference to Tony, this guy brings up Tony in reference to Manu.

Can't yous twos, hate on them individually like the rest of the Spurstalk regulars, without pitting them against each other?

That's why I think we all should just focus on Tim, because there's no polarization or accusations of favoring someone over the other, like with Manu and Tony.

We can harp all we want about for his crappy fourth-quarter FT performances, and not be accused of Churchiness because he's above the fray, an even higher deity.

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

Good call, just like Ducks brings up Manu out of the blue in reference to Tony, this guy brings up Tony in reference to Manu.

Can't yous twos, hate on them individually like the rest of the Spurstalk regulars, without pitting them against each other?

That's why I think we all should just focus on Tim, because there's no polarization or accusations of favoring someone over the other, like with Manu and Tony.

We can harp all we want about for his crappy fourth-quarter FT performances, and not be accused of Churchiness because he's above the fray, an even higher deity.

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Fine mark my words Tim is the only one I will talk about.... :sleep

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

extreme rarity would be 1 every 3 or 4 games, but it happens 2 to 3 times a game. But maybe that's what you mean by extreme rarity:lol . I'll point out what I mean after the next game. I'll define what I mean by 15seconds no one touches the ball except Tony and then he takes a jumper.

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Heh, they did pretty well feeding each other in the Clippers game last night.

It brought back memories of 2004 and 2005.

Both Tony and Manu either took advantage of an undermanned Clippers team and got in whenever they pleased and both got equal touches. So they can exist when the coach doesn't ride on only one player.

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Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

Heh, they did pretty well feeding each other in the Clippers game last night.

It brought back memories of 2004 and 2005.

Both Tony and Manu either took advantage of an undermanned Clippers team and got in whenever they pleased and both got equal touches. So they can exist when the coach doesn't ride on only one player.

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It was poetic.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The most predictable change following the Laker loss was Manu going back to the starting lineup. Pop does this all the damn time. No matter how well it works the moment they lose a game he moves him back to the starting lineup. Its knee jerk.

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Or maybe he just felt Manu's injury comeback had progressed to the point where he could play well against the other team's starters.

Sometimes we forget that the other team starts THEIR best players so your counterpart has to be the best you have to match up with them.

Conversely, when you put a starter against a second team player, he SHOULD be able to deliver.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The most predictable change following the Laker loss was Manu going back to the starting lineup. Pop does this all the damn time. No matter how well it works the moment they lose a game he moves him back to the starting lineup. Its knee jerk.

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that's not true. He stuck with Manu on the bench in the Seattle series in '05 after the spurs were almost in the tank. He then inserted Manu in the starting lineup and the rest is history. Last year he tried Manu off the bench with Finley starting and it ultimately didn't work.

I've never seen Manu off the bench work for a prolong period except in his rookie year.

As I said before, use Manu off the bench until it stops working.

Manu had a fine game yesterday starting.

At the end of the day, it does not depend wether Manu starts or comes off the bench, it depends on how Manu is playing that day. He has proven over and over again he can do both things.

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Originally Posted by boutons_

Manu says all the right things, but obviously he wants to start, he wants more minutes, and deserves to start.

Everybody, esp the players, knows starting is reserved for the 5 best players. Even if Manu got the same number of minutes. Pop is extremely rigid with his starting line-ups throughout the season, meaning Pop himself considers his decision on starters to be fairly sacred and breaking into that decision is very difficult.

Nobody wants an needs-explanation asterisk on his career, like "He was very good, actually good enough to start, but he was benched because he was better as 6th man"

And if the Spurs so desparately need Manu's spark off the bench, that says tons about the non-sparks who start and can't "get it done".

If the Spurs don't have any/enough spark/talent off the bench when Manu starts, why penalize Manu for that?

If Michael can't hit shit as a starter or isn't instant offense off the bench, why penalize Manu for that?

If it's "all about the team", then how many more games will the Spurs win because Manu doesn't start?

Or, How many more games will the Spurs lose because Manu starts?

In the past 3 seasons, how many games have the Spurs won or lost because of Manu was much less a queston of whether he was starting or benched, but much more because he was healthy or not, just like right now.

The Spurs are 15 -5 even after a pretty shitty November. Manu didn't play in the losses against GSW and Utah, and shot for shit in the loss vs Charlotte.

How much better than 15 -5 if Manu didn't start?

How much better if Manu actually played?

When the Spurs have bad game, losing to a lottery team, it's on ALL the Spurs, not just Manu starting or not.

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Good post. The answer to your questions, my friend, is blowing in the wind.

Advice to Manu----protect your ass and try to avoid injuries that can cause you to miss games because it's hell to regain your starting spot

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Originally Posted by beirmeistr

Good post.

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Boutons has really good basketball takes.

However, he is a freaking nut job.:lol

Since he came back from his back injury, Manu has been playing with more energy.