The Sixers can get a better deal than that. Plus they couldn't fit all those players on their roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O-Matic
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The Sixers can get a better deal than that. Plus they couldn't fit all those players on their roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O-Matic
Um, I like AI, but we have the best team now, we don't need him. Check our scoring differential, we're the best team. With Manu finishing the game we're like 14-2.
Unless we're trading him for Finley, Williams, and Horry, I'm not interested.
Larry Hughes. Chris Webber. Jerry Stackhouse. Ok maybe not CWebb.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Webber is a former all star.
Hughes hadn't reached his potential yet.
Stackhouse I don't think was all star level, but they were the same player, so they didn't help out.
Hes never played with a KG, a good bigman in the post who he can work off of.
KG is that, and KG has never had a STUD 1st team ALL NBA guy to team with.
Closest to that has been Wally and Terrell Brandon.
AI is headed to New York. I'm
guessing.
Starbury was pretty damn good too...Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Anyways, it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that those guys didn't just coincidentally develop after they left Philly. I think an imposing (ball hawking) player like AI makes it real difficult for the players around him to fit in and/or develop as a player.
I would give up Tony for AI. AI, Manu and Bruce would be lock down defense.
Tony is young but after Duncan retires what is it going to matter. The time is now.
I dunno, having guys like Parker, Sanikidze, Butler, Mahinmi to build around would be ok....Quote:
Tony is young but after Duncan retires what is it going to matter
at this point, Sanikidze, Butler and Mahinmi are reaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
If Iverson joins KG, Minny will be in the playoffs.
and the West will win the All-Star game :lol
AI for TP is nuts. No GM would do that trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Also, Manu isn't a "lock down" defender. He's pesky and makes big plays but won't just shut you down like a Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest or Ben Wallace will. There's only one player in the league I would give up TP for, Dwight Howard.
Allen Iverson on his way out of PhillyBy Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...arc&id=2691712
You know what they say about early December.
'Tis the season for sensational trade demands.
At least that's how it's starting to feel after Friday's wild developments, when Allen Iverson did what he always insisted he'd never do and publicly confirmed his desire to play elsewhere.
It was this time last year, almost to the day, that Ron Artest was quoted in the local paper urging the Indiana Pacers to move him. Some 363 days later, No. 3 accelerated a wild chain of events by issuing a similar statement, announcing through his agent: "As hard as it is to admit, a change may be the best thing for everyone."
The difference?
Artest's timing was flat-out stunning. His comeback from a record suspension, replete with a Sports Illustrated cover shot he shared with Larry Bird, was not yet three months old when he turned his back on an organization that did so much to welcome him back.
Iverson?
Jarring as it was to hear Sixers chairman Ed Snider grant an interview during the Philly-Washington game and declare that Iverson has "probably" played his last game as a Sixer, this outcome can't really surprise you.
The Sixers had to know that this would bubble over in the most toxic fashion after seriously discussing an Iverson trade with Boston during the June draft, offering up Iverson around the league in July, pulling him off the market when the team was up for sale over the summer and reporting for training camp in October with virtually no changes to a group that, by the end of last season, couldn't guard anyone or stand each other.
I never bought the theory that Iverson would unleash his fury on the rest of the league, like he did during his 2000-01 MVP season after nearly getting traded to Detroit in 2000. He was shopped too publicly this time to bury his bitterness quickly, especially since these Sixers -- who won two games in a span of 31 days entering the weekend -- don't exactly remind you of the '00-01 Sixers who flanked Iverson with Larry Brown and a bunch of willing scrappers and made it to the NBA Finals.
This time, Iverson's frustration kept boiling to the point we're at now, with Iverson regularly clashing and doubting coach Mo Cheeks, fuming about the Sixers' refusal to let him play in Friday night's ESPN game against the Wiz ... but also praying that they send him somewhere good.
I can't lie. I'm praying for Minnesota.
If the Wolves are set on keeping KG under any circumstances and KG is determined to finish his career in 'Sota, as both parties have long maintained, it makes too much sense. Garnett and Iverson need each other.
But it goes even deeper than mere desperation.
Garnett is the game's most unselfish superstar and actually wants to play with a ball-dominating guard.
Iverson has never been easy for guys to play with, is forever resistant to authority and punctuality and, as you might have heard once or twice, not the biggest fan of practice. Yet you suspect that KG might be the one potential teammate out there with the juice to hold him accountable.
However ...
This will not be an easy trade for the Wolves to complete, because they have a startlingly limited cache of assets. Which is exactly why I recently urged them to deal Garnett. They just don't have the coveted goods to get him help.
The best they can conceivably offer Philly is a package built around Villanova's own Randy Foye. There would be other players involved, starting with Ricky Davis, but Foye is by far Minnesota's most attractive commodity after KG.
Is that enough for the Sixers?
How 'bout when I tell you that they can't get Minnesota's first-round pick in the June draft, also known as the Greg Oden draft? Foye would have to be sufficiently marquee to appease the Sixers, because they can't get Minnesota's 2007 first-round pick in this deal. The Wolves' pick in the June draft -- also known as the Greg Oden draft -- has already been committed to the Los Angeles Clippers.
If the pick falls from No. 1 through No. 10 in June, Minnesota keeps it. If it's No. 11 or lower, it goes to the Clippers to complete the Sam Cassell trade from the summer of 2005.
So ...
It could well take the involvement of another team or two to enhance Minnesota's chances. That's also assuming they're prepared to part with Foye; one source close to the situation insists that's not the slam dunk you think.
The only certainty, at this early juncture, is that Philly is going to call everybody.
They will rekindle talks with the equally desperate Celtics, preferring to send Iverson to the West but knowing that hated Boston has more youngsters to offer.
They will check in with noted Iverson admirers in Dallas (Mark Cuban) and Los Angeles (Donald Sterling) and see, unlikely as it seems, if either of those West powers would consider breaking up their deep rosters.
Denver coach George Karl said Friday night that the Nuggets won't be re-entering the Iverson sweepstakes, after chasing him hard during the summer, but you can also expect the Sixers to ring the Kings in case those gambling Maloof brothers want to pair Iverson with Artest by sending Mike Bibby to Philly.
The Sixers, maybe more than any other team, have to explore every possibility.
Or have you forgotten that 1992 summer blockbuster: Charles Barkley for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang?
We're about to find out if a winter mega-trade works out any better for them.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
If I was the Maloofs, I give Petrie the greenlight.
Whoever gets Iverson, a West team or East team, that team will definitely improve 5X-scoring wise, esp. AI is now a player who might be angry and out to prove something who he really is and what he's capable of...Quote:
Garnett and Iverson need each other.
But it goes even deeper than mere desperation.
Garnett is the game's most unselfish superstar and actually wants to play with a ball-dominating guard.
Iverson has never been easy for guys to play with, is forever resistant to authority and punctuality and, as you might have heard once or twice, not the biggest fan of practice. Yet you suspect that KG might be the one potential teammate out there with the juice to hold him accountable.
i hope he goes to Minnesota and be with KG than Dallas. Because I don't like Cuban's Dallas and I'm a fan of AI.
AI SUCKS!!!! I never understood why you people care so much about a guy who can score about 31 points per game but he must take about 40 shots to make it happend. Sorry but i rather have 5 players with double figures instead of 1 player with 40 points.
come on. Calm Down.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperManu!!!
We are talking about a former MVP here.
A 2-time All-Star MVP who had beaten the West team in the All-Star game TWICE.
a scoring champion for i cannot remember how many times exactly.
you cannot just call this guy that.. :nope
No way Iverson comes here.
UNLESS, he realizes he'd rather win a ring at his career stage (2-3 good years left) and would like to play with Tim, who's a good friend of his, for some reason. I don't see how those two would mesh.
I don't want to see this team trade anyone for him anyway. He's a great player but I don't think he'd fit in here. Plus we don't really have the pieces to get him, but think about Parker, AI, Bowen, Duncan, and Oberto, with Manu as our sixth man and Barry/Finley as some other swings. That would be quite a team. But we'd likely have to trade Barry and/or Finley for him which I don't want done.
Give Finley shit now but I don't know about you guys, what he did in the Dallas series was phenomenal and if we didn't have him we would have lost in 5. Finley is our ticket to the finals with his play in the post season and his freethrow shooting.
Me and you seem to be the only ones that agree on this.Quote:
but I don't know about you guys, what he did in the Dallas series was phenomenal and if we didn't have him we would have lost in 5. Finley is our ticket to the finals with his play in the post season and his freethrow shooting.
IMO opinion Iverson does not appeal to us at all, we have 2 all star guards already and Micheal Finley and Brent Barry. I never thought of Iverson to be that great of a player because he is such a volume shooter. I'm not sure how old he is but I'm positive hes older than both Manu and Tony, so I dont see why anyone would want him in a Spurs uniform considering hes only got like 2 years(give or take) left in him.
i dont think he is good for the team chemistry
Nice exaggeration. Last season Iverson had a True Shooting Percentage (this means FT's are included into the scoring percentage) of 54.3%. That means he was scoring 33ppg with an above average scoring percentageQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperManu!!!
when compared to the average NBA player. To say Iverson is an inefficient scorer or offensive player is absolutely insane. Yes he has his games where he takes a huge amount of shots and has more attempts then points -- but what do you expect? Players have bad games, and not everyone who scores 30ppg can be as efficient and as good of an overall player as a Michael Jordan. Doesn't mean they are useless or wouldn't be effective on the Spurs. Iverson is a heck of a player. And last season he played much better than Tony or Manu has ever played. (Well Manu in the 2005 playoffs was playing like a borderline superstar -- but Iverson has done that for several 82 game seasons).
what is wrong with you guys?? AI would throw up if he was traded to San Antonio, he would not show up and demand to be traded somewhere else. trust me.
Parker or Manu are way more valuable to Spurs than AI would ever be. please!!! realize AI is a ballhoggin superstar that will never, ever, ever be a champion. I used to like him when he played the Lakers, but that was a looooong time ago and he never had a chance anyway
:clapQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
For real. The Spurs were just annihilated in that series after game 1, and Finley and Duncan played out of their minds.
Finley is an important piece to our finals team, he'll get better.
That's simply not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Please_dont_ban_me
We never had Cassel,Spree,and Ricky together,we traded Wally for Davis last year,but We lost both Cassel and Spree before.
We had Cassel and Spree,(and Wally theoretically) but Wally was injured,and against the LAL in WCF we lost Cassel as well.
We would have dominated the LAL with Sam.