The Spurs must trade for a long SF

To have any shot at winning a title this season.

Until we get that player Pop is going to continue with his 4 shooting guards and Duncan lineups and cost us games.

Every time we lose a game the culprit is a big athletic SF who creates matchup problems for us...whether he is lined up as a traditional SF, or if he is being played at the PF position forcing Pop into his small :puke: ball lineup.

We need a long SF who goes about 230 and 6'8 minimum that can play D, keep up with athletic players, and rebound.

Viktor Kyrhapa is making noises about PT in Chicago...he makes a minimum salary...the Bulls need to move him to fill their own needs. We need to make something happen here and Kyrhapa is probably the best available piece IMO.

This team, as it is constructed now, will not win the NBA championship this year.

We will continue to be done in in individual matchups by the Josh Howard's, the Lamar Odom's and Luke Walton's, the Donyell Marhsall's, the Bonzie Wells' and Ron Artest's....and LeBron James', TMac's and Carmelo Anthony's...etc.

This team will continue to lose games to coaches and teams that can play defense and that force Pop into a matchup contest using big SF types...due to rebounding more than anything else.


And BTW, the Lakers will continue to give us problems this season and for the foreseeable future until we close that hole...they have almost an entire team of big SF types.

how big is sandizkid?

He's the right height but he's too young and too skinny. He makes Barry look like Shaq.

Pull another con job on Isiaha and get David Lee -- hell, give him Butler back.

It's obvious that Spurs lack a long SF and it's even not really new. I don't know if Spurs are really looking for one, they have signed Linton Johnson in 05 and some long SFs have been invited for training camp (Melzer, Jamar Smith, Jawad Williams..) but the last long SF who really played with a Spurs jersey was Hedo in 04 (I don't count Glenn Robinson in 05 because he hasn't played a lot). Spurs have spend more than 2 years without a long SF, I'm not sure that getting one is a priority for them.

I'm not sure that Spurs can't win a title without a long SF. In 05 they have won the title without one. The need for a long SF depends a lot on who Spurs will face in playoffs and we will know better what teams are really dangerous in 1 or 2 months.

I cut past a list of long SF who can be available for cheap that I've made in another thread :
Joey Graham
Viktor Khryapa
Ronald Dupree
Bernard Robinson
Allan Anderson
Linton Johnson
Matt Barnes
James Singleton
Maurice Evans
Jumaine Jones

I like Viktor Khryapa but I don't think that Spurs should give a lot to get him because he isn't a great talent. Bulls biggest need is a low post scorer, I can see them being interested in Scola but I'm not ready to give up Scola only for Khryapa. However, Udrih + Eric Williams + Scola for Khryapa + Duhon can be a very good deal for Spurs and I think that Bulls cna do it if they are high on Scola.

Rashard Lewis?

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Rashard Lewis?

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Parker+Barry+1st for Watson+Lewis?

whottt's argument isn't very convincing, though.

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We need a long SF who goes about 230 and 6'8 minimum that can play D, keep up with athletic players, and rebound.

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Okay, so you need Ron Artest. Is there a single other player in the NBA who meets all of those qualifications? Oh, wait, he's only 6-7.

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We will continue to be done in in individual matchups by the Josh Howard's, the Lamar Odom's and Luke Walton's, the Donyell Marhsall's, the Bonzie Wells' and Ron Artest's....and LeBron James', TMac's and Carmelo Anthony's...etc.

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Also the Shaqs, Yaos, and Boykinses.

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Parker+Barry+1st for Watson+Lewis?

Okay, so you need Ron Artest. Is there a single other player in the NBA who meets all of those qualifications? Oh, wait, he's only 6-7.

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There are dozens of them....it's probably the deepest position in the NBA right now...the Spurs not having one is the aberration in the league.


And Artest may be only 6'7(if he's even that tall, I thought he was 6'5) but he weighs 260 something lbs which makes him a tough guard for Manu, Bowen, Finley or Barry...

If you watched the Spurs more you wouldn't be so clueless as to why this is a dire need.

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Also the Shaqs, Yaos, and Boykinses.

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Shaq is done, Yao can be run off the court and Boykins is the guy you want shooting...

If Viktor Khryapa is the answer, don't tell me the question. This guy is definitely not preventing us from getting a championship. What we're lacking is the bowling-ball, do-everything wrecker like Josh Howard, who can defend, knock down shots, and pull offensive boards. The Russian is definitely not fast enough to be any of those things.

Our only hope at this point is to pull a guy in next year's draft or hope some young team with a glut of SFs, like Atlanta now that Marvin is back, can be convinced to let some of their talent go.

Otherwise, we're not repairing this team on the fly, not with the assets we have.

And I don't like the Duhon+Khryapa for Udrih+Scola trade. Duhon simply makes too much money for a backup point guard.

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It's obvious that Spurs lack a long SF and it's even not really new. I don't know if Spurs are really looking for one, they have signed Linton Johnson in 05 and some long SFs have been invited for training camp (Melzer, Jamar Smith, Jawad Williams..) but the last long SF who really played with a Spurs jersey was Hedo in 04 (I don't count Glenn Robinson in 05 because he hasn't played a lot). Spurs have spend more than 2 years without a long SF, I'm not sure that getting one is a priority for them.

I'm not sure that Spurs can't win a title without a long SF. In 05 they have won the title without one. The need for a long SF depends a lot on who Spurs will face in playoffs and we will know better what teams are really dangerous in 1 or 2 months.

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Teams are exploiting that weakness more now...last year we were doing good to get by the Kings.


As for it depending on who we meet in the post season...it's not which team has one of those types, it's which team doesn't....

A guy that is too big for Manu, Bowen, Finley or Barry...and too quick for any of our 6'10+guys...

You look at the teams we are likely to meet in the post season and they all have at least one of those types of players...whether it be Dallas, LA, Denver, Phoenix, Houston or Utah.


Bruce can do a decent job on most of them but a lot of those guys already have someone that's going to be drawing Bruce.



LA has Odom, Walton etc...

Phoenix has Amare(I know Amare is a true PF but he's still got the quickness) , Diaw...and others.

Dallas has Howard and Nowitzki(we can only put Bruce on one of them).

Denver has Melo(who no one for the Spurs has been able to guard).

Houston has TMac and Bonzi.


It's a problem....

I'll tell you right now we won't be getting past the Rockets unless we get someone to put on Bonzi. And he'll be there come playoff time unless the Rockets just get stupid.

u need Dermarr Johnson :smokin

GK hates him, we love him :lol he would shine under Pop

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If Viktor Khryapa is the answer, don't tell me the question. This guy is definitely not preventing us from getting a championship. What we're lacking is the bowling-ball, do-everything wrecker like Josh Howard, who can defend, knock down shots, and pull offensive boards. The Russian is definitely not fast enough to be any of those things.

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Kyrhapa can rebound and defend on the perimeter very well. And he hustles his butt off...

Hey a few years ago Steve Kerr was the answer....sometimes it's just a little thing that can make a big difference.

We have a gap on roster of certain bodytype of player which Pop counters by putting a shitty 4 guard lineup on the floor....resulting in us getting outrebounded more than anything else....but also posted up at the guard and swing spots....

Kyrhapa can solve that problem well enough to where it's no longer an achilles heel...he'd be getting more minutes if he didn't play for a team which has 35 SF's on it playing ahead of him.

I'll agree with Whott on this one. To me the question is, why did we let Linton Johnson go? I know he's not great but he seemed to have the right size and attitude.

I feel like Finley is a noose around our neck. Pop doesn't have the balls to not play him because he busts his ass in practice or whatever. And because Finley is playing that means that we can't develop a young player right now, which is the time to do it.

I'd like to see this empire continue, and not all of a sudden collapse from old age.

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The Spurs must trade for a long SF

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"In the year two thou-sand"

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We need a long SF who goes about 230 and 6'8 minimum

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Linton Johnson
Height: 6-8 Weight: 225

I remember him being injured and somehow ended up on the nets. What happened to him?

Spurs just let him go....he was still a project then with no offensive game, but he has developed a bit since then and it appears his offense could serve the team in a spot up shooting role if nothing else.

I'd be quite happy to get LJIII...I'd be quite happy to get anyone that's 6'8-9 and under the age of 30.


I'd be happy to have some kind of true SF on the team even if it's just a third string guy.

This 4 2 guard rotation is starting to become a consistent matchup problem that teams are attacking...plus they know it will force Pop into putting a lineup out there that fundamentally changes the Spurs D scheme...thus fundamentally changing the Spurs, for the worse.

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Linton Johnson
Height: 6-8 Weight: 225

I remember him being injured and somehow ended up on the nets. What happened to him?

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I think he plays for the Hornets now...

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There are dozens of them....it's probably the deepest position in the NBA right now...the Spurs not having one is the aberration in the league.

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This is what you said you need:

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We need a long SF who goes about 230 and 6'8 minimum that can play D, keep up with athletic players, and rebound.

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Players who are minimum 6'8" and 230 lb. are called power forwards. There are a number of 6'8"+ players who play the 3, but only a handful of those are anywhere near 230 lb. There are a number of 230 lb. 3s in the NBA, but few of them is close to 6'8". Of those in either category, only a fraction can play decent defense or "keep up with athletic players".

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Shaq is done, Yao can be run off the court and Boykins is the guy you want shooting...

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The point is that you listed a ridiculous collection of 2s, 3s, and 4s, some of whom score on the block, some slashing from the wing, and some with spot-up jumpshots (along with players like Luke Walton and Donyell Marshall who nobody should be worrying about). No player in the modern NBA with the possible exception of Ron Artest could be expected to do an able job of guarding all those players.

Joey Graham is a very nice prospect who would probably fit what you're looking for if you were more honest about it, but I doubt Toronto would be willing to let him go.

Fuck, pick up Delfino from Detroit. He's 6-7, 225, can do a halfway decent job on about half the players you mentioned, and it's no secret that Flip doesn't particularly care for his game. But he's a 2, not a 3, and he's not terribly long.

What happened to Eric Williams, anyway? He's not working out, or is he just done?

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I cut past a list of long SF who can be available for cheap that I've made in another thread :
Joey Graham
Viktor Khryapa
Ronald Dupree
Bernard Robinson
Allan Anderson
Linton Johnson
Matt Barnes
James Singleton
Maurice Evans
Jumaine Jones

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To be honest, I really like Joey Graham out of that list. He has the talent to be the answer for a long, athletic rebounder and defender. I think he hasn't been coached up enough in Toronto and has lost some confidence.

With the "Euro" craze that Colangelo is going through, I figure we could get him for the rights to Scola and the expiring contract of Williams.

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A guy that is too big for Manu, Bowen, Finley or Barry...and too quick for any of our 6'10+guys...

You look at the teams we are likely to meet in the post season and they all have at least one of those types of players...whether it be Dallas, LA, Denver, Phoenix, Houston or Utah.

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To me, there are two differents cases :
- Teams with a quick PF (Dallas, LA, Phoenix)
- Teams with a strong SF (Denver, Houston, Utah)

Against teams with a quick PF, the choice is between Elson/Oberto or the long SF who played at PF.
I'm not sure that Parker/Manu/Bruce/Khryapa/Duncan is a better lineup than Parker/Manu/Bruce/Elson/Duncan against a team like Mavs. Khryapa can maybe do a slighty better job an Dirk than Elson but Elson can do a better job at rebounding than Khryapa. Against teams with a quick PF, Spurs are better than last year because Oberto/Elson is a quicker combo than Rasho/Nazr.

Against teams with a strong SF, Spurs are in trouble when Bruce is out. I think that a player like Khryapa can really be usefull againstMelo or elbron.

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I'll tell you right now we won't be getting past the Rockets unless we get someone to put on Bonzi. And he'll be there come playoff time unless the Rockets just get stupid.

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It's not sure that Bonzi will still be with Rockets at the trade deadline, rumors are JVG is fed up with him.
And when you look more closely, Spurs can't put a long SF against Bonzi :
Rockets lineup will be Alston/Wells/TMac/Battier(or Hayes or Howard)/Yao.
Parker can only defend on Alston, Duncan won't defend on yao except in the fourth quarter and will mainly defend on the opposite PF. The best matchup left for Manu is Wells.

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With the "Euro" craze that Colangelo is going through, I figure we could get him for the rights to Scola and the expiring contract of Williams.

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Raptors are really stacked at PF, I don't think they are interested in Scola. Draft picks seems to be the more appealing things for them.

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This is what you said you need:

Players who are minimum 6'8" and 230 lb. are called power forwards. There are a number of 6'8"+ players who play the 3, but only a handful of those are anywhere near 230 lb. There are a number of 230 lb. 3s in the NBA, but few of them is close to 6'8". Of those in either category, only a fraction can play decent defense or "keep up with athletic players".

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False...LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony are not PF's.

You are just messed up by what a lot of teams currently play at the PF slot...

Lamar Odom is a true SF. I'd say that's what Dirk's true position is as well. Shawn Marion is a true SF as well.

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The point is that you listed a ridiculous collection of 2s, 3s, and 4s, some of whom score on the block, some slashing from the wing, and some with spot-up jumpshots (along with players like Luke Walton and Donyell Marshall who nobody should be worrying about). No player in the modern NBA with the possible exception of Ron Artest could be expected to do an able job of guarding all those players.

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Also false....and from the Spurs POV, just about anyone bigger than 6'7 and 210 could do it for the Spurs without a built in physical disadvantage.

We have no SF on our roster...I guess Eric Williams. What we have is a collection of 2 guards doing stop gap on what has traditionally been known as a SF. And it hurts us.

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What happened to Eric Williams, anyway? He's not working out, or is he just done?

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Pop doesn't play him...which means he could have the talent of Jordan but if Pop doesn't play him and elects instead to go with 2guards playing PF...we will continue to get ourrebounded and outmuscled at that position and we will continue to lose.


All the players I mention are bigmen with smallman's athelticism...what has been traditionally in the NBA the most athletic and versatile position on the court....the SF. Whether it be Bonzi or Tmac....calling themselves a 2 guard, or not.

Hey I'd take Tashaun Prince at the position as well...but in lieu of getting lottery talent for the position...you have to go for size and mobility prototypes typical of the SF.

I wonder how bad the Pacers want to get rid of SJax

I don't want to say that players like Michael Finley and Brent Barry are antiquated in today's NBA, but it's starting to look that way. One dimensional spot up shooters who don't defend, rebound or have the ability to penetrate off the dribble and score at the rim are much less valuable under the rules of today.

Three or four years ago when it was almost impossible to drive the lane, these spot up shooters were important because you had to spread the floor if you wanted any chance of your swingmen getting to the rim. Nowadays, players like Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili can get to the rim without shooters to spread the court.

Hopefully I'm wrong and the Spurs can prove that players like Finley and Barry can help win championships.

TREVOR ARIZA perfect fit for this Spurs and you know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :flipoff :flipoff

James White Baby!!!!!

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TREVOR ARIZA perfect fit for this Spurs and you know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :flipoff :flipoff

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Two problems with Ariza:
Orlando isn't going to let him go.
He can't shoot his way out of a wet paper bag.

I'll put Ryan Gomes, from the Celtics, name out there
Born: Sep 1, 1982
Height: 6-7 / 2,01
Weight: 250 lbs. / 113,4 kg.
College : Providence
Years Pro: 1
In primarily a reserve role so far this season:
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 11.2 RPG 6.60 APG 2.4

An inch shorter than your minimum, but he already has one triple double this season--don't know about last season
He can score: I know he set a new scoring record for Providence and maybe for the Conference they're
Not sure if his defense is up to Spurs standards, but he is willing to go for rebounds

Jumaine Jones is sitting on the end of the Suns' pine doing nothing, paid minimum.

He's 6'8", 220, 27yo, averages about 7.5boards/40 mins when playing 25mins+, and he can shoot the ball.

Why isn't he on our team again?

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I don't see how Spurs can get him without trading Manu or Tony.
Celtics seems to be really high on him.

For what?

Popovich is going to keep on playing Parker, Manu, Bowen, Duncan and Oberto.

Why do they need someone else? Pop is to stupid to get away from his 62 win bread and butter and 2nd round loss lineups.

Popovich would've turn Josh Howard into a European player.

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Raptors are really stacked at PF, I don't think they are interested in Scola. Draft picks seems to be the more appealing things for them.

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Bosh, Bargnani, and Garbajosa play PF, but spend alot of time out on the perimeter. Kris Humphries plays like 5 minutes a game, and Rasho isn't blowing anyone back with his play either.

Right now the Raptors are chock full of permiter players (at all positions) and need some muscle. I know Scola isn't imposing at 6'9, but he does most of his good work in the paint.

Oh and draft picks...the Spurs have those too.

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I don't want to say that players like Michael Finley and Brent Barry are antiquated in today's NBA, but it's starting to look that way. One dimensional spot up shooters who don't defend, rebound or have the ability to penetrate off the dribble and score at the rim are much less valuable under the rules of today.

Three or four years ago when it was almost impossible to drive the lane, these spot up shooters were important because you had to spread the floor if you wanted any chance of your swingmen getting to the rim. Nowadays, players like Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili can get to the rim without shooters to spread the court.

Hopefully I'm wrong and the Spurs can prove that players like Finley and Barry can help win championships.

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Why do you insist on lumping Barry and Finley together as if they are similar players?

They are not...unlike Finley, Barry has value even when his shooting sucks(or when he doesn't shoot enough).


Assists count....

Additionally....Barry has never sucked as bad as Finley has this season, as a Spur.


Not for one second in his Spurs career has anyone ever dared Barry to shoot...ever.

While OTOH...I would swear Phil was calling timeouts in the game the other night for no other reason than to give Pop the opportunity to draw up plays for Finley....

Start noticing the difference....what's next? Not being able to tell the difference between Darko Millicic and Adriens Biedrin? :smokin

Nocioni is the best match for the Spurs, he hustles, gets rebounds, is tough, all characteristics that sort of go hand in hand with Pop. And, just like Bowen, he can knock down threes.

Um...Nocioni is also a starter for the Bulls...exactly how do you plan on us getting him?

And if we are naming unattainable players just for the hell of it...I'd rather have LeBron than Nocioni.

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Um...Nocioni is also a starter for the Bulls...exactly how do you plan on us getting him?

And if we are naming unattainable players just for the hell of it...I'd rather have LeBron than Nocioni.

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Rashard Lewis?

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I thought he wanted a SF who could play D.

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I thought he wanted a SF who could play D.

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I guess that's why we ignored Jones?

GRob was a hopeless defender too, until he came here. he did some surprising things near the end of 2005...

Danny Granger
Travis Outlaw
Josh Smith
Josh Childress
Marvin Williams
Gerald Green
Gerald Wallace
Luol Deng

Bostjan Nachbar

Born: Jul 3, 1980
Height: 6-9 / 2,06
Weight: 221 lbs. / 100,2 kg.
From : Slovenia
Years Pro: 4

Can we trade rights to scola, and a first round pick to Indiana for Granger?

I really like the kid and he can play shooting guard as well.

Think Indiana might be interested in scola cause their frontline is paperthin. they have Baston starting in place of o'neal. They might be willing to let granger go if Marshall works out for them cause they were pretty high on him to let James White go.

well, obviously we are not getting anyone this year so..let's have hope PEOPLE

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Right now the Raptors are chock full of permiter players (at all positions) and need some muscle. I know Scola isn't imposing at 6'9, but he does most of his good work in the paint.

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Maybe you're right (even if Bosh is a talented low post scorer) but if they want
a paint scorer they will try to get a C or a SF and not a PF because they still have a lot of natural PFs in their team.

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Oh and draft picks...the Spurs have those too.

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That's why he is on my available list. Another solution is to trade Scola to a third team for a draft pick that will be used to get graham.



Another kind of deal that can maybe happen is a Sheed like trade. Spurs have
a lot of expiring contracts and they can package them with a draft pick for a good player with an expiring contract that won't re-sign with a bad team. Gerald Wallace is in the sheed situation, he is expiring and likely won't re-sign with Charlotte because they sucks and because they have Morisson at SF.

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Bostjan Nachbar

Born: Jul 3, 1980
Height: 6-9 / 2,06
Weight: 221 lbs. / 100,2 kg.
From : Slovenia
Years Pro: 4

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I've thought at him few days ago but I wonder if he is good enough defender to be a good fit for SA.
One thing is sure is that he is available for really cheap, he is in Frank's doghouse and his contract isn't expiring. Eric Williams is enough to get him.

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Danny Granger
Travis Outlaw
Josh Smith
Josh Childress
Marvin Williams
Gerald Green
Gerald Wallace
Luol Deng

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Of those players, only one (Outlaw) is attainable with the trade pieces we have.

The other names a good, don't get me wrong, but they are starting-calibur players now or they will be in a year or so. Young players with upside usually cost an arm and a leg.

The only "hope" is for Belkin to win the Ownership battle in Atlanta, fire Billy Knight and make wholesale changes to the organization (i.e. getting rid of one of their three small forwards).

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It's obvious that Spurs lack a long SF and it's even not really new. I don't know if Spurs are really looking for one, they have signed Linton Johnson in 05 and some long SFs have been invited for training camp (Melzer, Jamar Smith, Jawad Williams..) but the last long SF who really played with a Spurs jersey was Hedo in 04 (I don't count Glenn Robinson in 05 because he hasn't played a lot). Spurs have spend more than 2 years without a long SF, I'm not sure that getting one is a priority for them.

I'm not sure that Spurs can't win a title without a long SF. In 05 they have won the title without one. The need for a long SF depends a lot on who Spurs will face in playoffs and we will know better what teams are really dangerous in 1 or 2 months.

I cut past a list of long SF who can be available for cheap that I've made in another thread :
Joey Graham
Viktor Khryapa
Ronald Dupree
Bernard Robinson
Allan Anderson
Linton Johnson
Matt Barnes
James Singleton
Maurice Evans
Jumaine Jones

I like Viktor Khryapa but I don't think that Spurs should give a lot to get him because he isn't a great talent. Bulls biggest need is a low post scorer, I can see them being interested in Scola but I'm not ready to give up Scola only for Khryapa. However, Udrih + Eric Williams + Scola for Khryapa + Duhon can be a very good deal for Spurs and I think that Bulls cna do it if they are high on Scola.

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i agree on most items and think that your list is pretty accurate.
just some comments
Khryapa: i liked him a lot when he played Euroleague with CSKA and back then i always thought he could be Spurs material.
he is not a talent who stands out, but he has some qualities that would match the Spurs needs, qualities few other teams will be able to discover and to use (that's IMO why he is still far underrated).
and some reports said that he was on the Spurs wish list in the draft 2004, but he was picked before.
K. would help in different areas. defending players like Dirk and Odom
and he would help to increase the rebounding production considering that none of the current Spurs SF options is even average in this regard.
as mentioned, he is unhappy in Chicago, does not have a future there (behind Deng, Noc, TT, who all play like Khryapa the 3 and 4)
right now should be the best moment to get him for a bargain.

the price could be: 1st rounder (+2nd rounder if necessary or Sanikidze rights) + Vaughn (to meet the salary)

Butler (Bulls have more use for him and i don't agree that he was a steal of the free agency) for Khryapa + Griffin.
right now Griffin would also be somehow usefull for some minutes. (much more than E Williams)

i agree that Scola's rights straight for K. is to much (even if i don't think the value of the rights are as high as many fans think.), but maybe there is no need to throw them in. (naive as i am, i still belive Scola could once be a Spur, as the successor of Horry)

the name some more players who could be on a trade option list:
James Jones. Spurs thought of offering him a contract 2005 (before Finley was put on the market). he has the same problem in Phoenix like Khryapa has in Chicago. tons of other (more talented) SFs on the roster. he would not be a force on defense (but he is better on D as most give him credit for), but he is a decent rebounder, has a nice jump shot and might work well in a small line up playing the 4. (better than Bonner for example)

James Posey
he isn't happy any more in Miami and Heat are still desperate for a PG, offer them Beno + Scola rights + E.Williams

Gerald Wallace
i guess Bobcats know that they can't resign him for the price they want to pay (they will save the money for resigning Okafor, Felton and Morrison) and he has lost many of his offensive plays to Morrison anyhow, so Bobcats might be interested to trade him.
(for Beno + Scola rights + Williams + Picks)

I would love to see Gerald Wallace comming to the Spurs, but I doubt it is gonna happen. I don't think we have anything the Bobcats want...

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Eric Williams

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...and under the age of 30.

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Gerald Wallace
i guess Bobcats know that they can't resign him for the price they want to pay (they will save the money for resigning Okafor, Felton and Morrison) and he has lost many of his offensive plays to Morrison anyhow, so Bobcats might be interested to trade him.
(for Beno + Scola rights + Williams + Picks)

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Wallace has a player option for next year, according to hoopshype. Is it consensus he'll test the marked, instead? He's having a lousy year so far. Last year he was worth 2.5 steals and 2.1 blocks a game in full minutes, which is crazy.

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I would love to see Gerald Wallace comming to the Spurs, but I doubt it is gonna happen. I don't think we have anything the Bobcats want...

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Maybe Barry + Scola would be appealing to them.

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Of those players, only one (Outlaw) is attainable with the trade pieces we have.

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You think Outlaw is available with our pieces? I don't think he's available at all at this point, much less for what we have.

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Maybe Barry + Scola would be appealing to them.

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Maybe next summer, but this year I don't think you give up Barry at all.

I dont think Barry's trade value will ever be higher than what it already is

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I dont think Barry's trade value will ever be higher than what it already is

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No, but we can't afford to lose him.

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I would love to see Gerald Wallace comming to the Spurs, but I doubt it is gonna happen. I don't think we have anything the Bobcats want...

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oh yes, we do.
look at the Bobcats big men situation. the contract of Melvin Ely will expire and Brezec will likely opt-out of his (low salary) contract.
both struggle anyhow, so i doubt they want them back at any price. (for sure they don't want Ely back).
so Butler (and his type of contract) might be exactly what they want as a repleacement.
the other question mark for them is Brevin Knight. they have a team option 2007, but if they could find a younger (and cheaper) repleacement, they would be interested. so they might also be interested in Beno.
and they could be quite interested in Scola as well, because Harrington is also a end-of-range model.
the offer of Butler+Beno+Scola rights (+some more players to makes the numbers work, they could include Ely and we include E.Williams).
i see both teams win, as well as the involved players.
Spurs get the starting calibre SF (and Bowen successor) they need. at 24 he still has a lot of upside and he has all the tools Spurs would need. (forget the fact that he's "only" 6-7, with his long hands and elevation he can play like 6-9)
IMO Wallace will love to stay with the Spurs, who could offer him a decent long term contract. (starting at some 6 million for example, this is possible with Williams and Bonner off the books and the salaries of Brent and Horry the year after).
the Bobcats win, because they get 3 players with small contracts and upside (I assume Scola would sign for 3 million / years) who could all turn out to be very helpfull for them as complementary players alongside the core of Felton/Okafor/Morrison.

mountainballer, if you figure out a way to get Wallace on the Spurs and it happens, I'll buy you a coke.

This is an extremely frustrating topic to address because many here in the Spurs community have been clamoring for them to address this need. The weaknesses and flaws at this position are being exposed (i.e. recent game vs Lakers). Surely if we've seen this need, the brass must've seen it too - yet they did nothing.

As some have stated already, Barry and Finley are two players of the same ilk - which is too bad for the Spurs. While I'm very pleased with the signing of J. White, the bottom line is that he's not yet ready to contribute this year.

Even more frustrating is that the Spurs had the chance to nab another such player during the offseason (i.e. Jumaine Jones, Matt Barnes who were both available for most of the summer) - yet they did nothing.

Having said all that, I have thought for a couple of years what a wonderful option Gerald Wallace would be for this team. Because the Bobcats owner (Bob Johnson) is such a cheapskate, it's likely Wallace will not be resigned over the summer. I believe his current salary is around 2.5 mil and he'll certainly be looking for a lot more next year. However depending upon what type of long-term salary he's looking for, perhaps the Spurs could swing a package to get him here now.

Another option is Qyntel Woods. Does anyone know if he's on anybody's roster?

Either way to make a move, the Spurs would have to get rid of either Barry or Finley. Somehow though, I just don't see the Spurs adding such a player this season.

Am I missing something? Wallace is listed as having a player option for next season at $6 million. Has he already opted out of it? If so, it might have been a bad move, considering the subpar year he's been having.

I agree it's unlikely anything happens this year, much less for a higher caliber player like Crash. I'd have to imagine the Bobcats would be happier getting better packages from other teams... but who knows.

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Am I missing something? Wallace is listed as having a player option for next season at $6 million. Has he already opted out of it? If so, it might have been a bad move, considering the subpar year he's been having.

I agree it's unlikely anything happens this year, much less for a higher caliber player like Crash. I'd have to imagine the Bobcats would be happier getting better packages from other teams... but who knows.

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you are right. but he might opt out, even if this season isn't looking good. he will get MLE offers at least, even if his season wasn't as good as the one last year. but some teams will blame this to the changed role of Wallace because of the Morrison aquisation.
(in fact Wallace has to play out of position a lot)

so to give up 6 million for a possible 5 years MLE contract isn't such a bad idea.
Wallace will not get back his role on the team next season, so he knows that it will be almost impossible to increase his value in the 2007/08 season.

Wallace not opting out this season makes him more attractive for the Spurs, but then, less attractive to give up for Charlotte. Maybe they think he's too expensive?

It's an intriguing situation. I wouldn't count on Bob Johnson's cheapskatery here, but that doesn't mean Wallace can't be had. He's not a franchise player, but looks to be a very good supporting one, who may not suit the Bobcats team in the future.

As for what we can give them... I can see Udrih being attractive, especially with Brevin Knight not being worth the Team Option of $4.2 next season.

Butler... Is Primoz Brezec hurt? I haven't been following, but his numbers are definitely down.

Scola. With Okafor and now Sean May coming around, what use is Scola? I'm not sure this makes sense. If anything, they'd need a starting SG they'd be losing with Gerald Wallace, which we aren't offering.

I'd be awfully nice, but we're talking ourselves into believing it could happen. More likely is somebody like Desmond Mason, in case the Hornets fall out of the playoff hunt. He's logging minutes now that Peja and West are out, but he's gone after the year.

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you are right. but he might opt out, even if this season isn't looking good. he will get MLE offers at least, even if his season wasn't as good as the one last year. but some teams will blame this to the changed role of Wallace because of the Morrison aquisation.
(in fact Wallace has to play out of position a lot)

so to give up 6 million for a possible 5 years MLE contract isn't such a bad idea.
Wallace will not get back his role on the team next season, so he knows that it will be almost impossible to increase his value in the 2007/08 season.

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i think we should keep scolas rights, see if his willin to accept something around orbs contract, we trade whatever we can for gerald wallace, then i think that other argentinian is of the books, we should sign him, so we got 1/4 of the argy squad on the team......

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you are right. but he might opt out, even if this season isn't looking good. he will get MLE offers at least, even if his season wasn't as good as the one last year. but some teams will blame this to the changed role of Wallace because of the Morrison aquisation.
(in fact Wallace has to play out of position a lot)

so to give up 6 million for a possible 5 years MLE contract isn't such a bad idea.
Wallace will not get back his role on the team next season, so he knows that it will be almost impossible to increase his value in the 2007/08 season.

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Good points. His role on that team is forever changed with the addition of Morrison. A team could counter his diminished stats. Even still, I would have to think someone would give him the MLE. After all, he only 24 and there are a lot worse players in the league earning the MLE.

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Good points. His role on that team is forever changed with the addition of Morrison. A team could counter his diminished stats. Even still, I would have to think someone would give him the MLE. After all, he only 24 and there are a lot worse players in the league earning the MLE.

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Even with his diminished production I believe Wallace is worth the MLE. He's closer this year to what he did two years ago, although he's still a little slow. Last year he was dynamite (2 blocks, 2 steals/game, great rebounds), and this year I believe he'll still be very good once he gets it back together.

I'm not sure why he can't co-exist with Morrison, who is maybe getting too much playing time anyway. AMMO is a SF, no? And Crash plays as much SG as anything.

What about giving James White a shot.... I believe we signed him for a reason and from what I heard is a good defender.

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What about giving James White a shot.... I believe we signed him for a reason and from what I heard is a good defender.

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He's not even bench caliber yet and is a while away. If we can get a could get a guy like Wallace, say sayonara to big concerns about White - we'd keep developing him but he'd be far less necessary.

Just for fun -- if they could be had, who would people want the most:

Josh Childress
Mickael Pietrus
Gerald Wallace

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Just for fun -- if they could be had, who would people want the most:

Josh Childress
Mickael Pietrus
Gerald Wallace

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Of the three, Pietrus is the best defender, followed by Childress and then Wallace.

Of course, Larry Hughes made an all-defensive team by gambling for his own stats on every possession, so maybe I don't know all that much about basketball.

They're all known as 'defensive minded' for whatever it's worth on their teams.

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Kyrhapa can rebound and defend on the perimeter very well. And he hustles his butt off...

Hey a few years ago Steve Kerr was the answer....sometimes it's just a little thing that can make a big difference.

We have a gap on roster of certain bodytype of player which Pop counters by putting a shitty 4 guard lineup on the floor....resulting in us getting outrebounded more than anything else....but also posted up at the guard and swing spots....

Kyrhapa can solve that problem well enough to where it's no longer an achilles heel...he'd be getting more minutes if he didn't play for a team which has 35 SF's on it playing ahead of him.

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If we can get him for a 2nd, then fantastic. I have no idea what Chicago would want for him. They go him for free in the Thomas-Aldridge trade and are lousy with SFs as it is. I think Scola is worth more and Chicago might think he's not worth a 2nd, but that's what I'd say a player rotting at the end of a bench is worth.

Found on a Chicago board on Khryapa:

Tribune link.

It's from last weekend.

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Inactive for the third straight time Friday, the third-year forward said it's too early to ask for a change of scenery. But Khryapa, who also has five "did not play-coach's decision" designations and talked to coach Scott Skiles earlier this week about his lack of a role, isn't happy.



"I'm frustrated; why not?" Khryapa said. "I'm surprised because I didn't do anything wrong. I played good in preseason. I don't understand why. Just because there are too many guys? It's ridiculous."

Khryapa started 53 games for the Trail Blazers last season. Acquired in the draft-day trade in which the rights to Tyrus Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge were swapped, Khryapa figured he at least would crack a crowded frontcourt rotation.

"It's killing me inside," Khryapa said. "You do everything everybody else does. And then game time, everybody is playing and you're not. All the coaches and guys say to keep working. I will stay in shape and wait my chance."

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I wonder what people would give for him. I've seen a lot of Duhon+Khryapa for Williams+Beno+Scola trades, which I don't like, not least of which because Duhon is very expensive for a back-up point guard and I believe Scola can be more valuable. I'd do a Bonner+2nd rounder, but likely Chicago thinks they can still use him.

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Found on a Chicago board on Khryapa:

Tribune link.

It's from last weekend.



I'd do a Bonner+2nd rounder, but likely Chicago thinks they can still use him.

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are you on crack?

RC won't do anything until an hour before the trade deadline when everyone is desperate, but then there's only a 50% chance the paperwork will go through in time.

What about Linton Johnson? There was a little discussion on him and then it died down.

Johnson has been in Byron Scott's doghouse for the last month or so after starting the season as the Hornets' backup PF. Even with injuries to Bobby Jackson, David West and Peja Stojakovic he hasn't seen any increased PT. I actually went to the Cavs/Hornets game yesterday and saw him before. I asked about his PT and he seemed frustrated. Considering the amazing numbers he can put up, I don't know why he isn't playing.

Johnson is 6'8, so he can play either forward position. He is a rebounding machine, but still talented enough to score some points (especially considering hes usually the 4th or 5th option and not a defense's primary concern). He plays solid defense, but is by no means a "lockdown" defender. Hes a very scrappy, hustle type of player. He always is pouring with sweat even after the pre-game shoot-around. He also apparently keeps himself in good shape year-round as he game to training camp more than prepared this year.

The problem with Johnson would be that he makes too little money. Winging a trade that agrees with the CBA might be difficult unless a 3rd team were involved. He is on the last year of his deal, however.

Trading for a player like Gerald Wallace makes more sense in the long-run, but it requires giving up pieces that the Spurs might intend to keep. Plus, some of the scenarios opt for trading Beno with no new PG coming in. Does that mean that Barry is the backup? Vaughn? Wallace would be a long-term solution as they would likely resign him, Johnson would be short-term (expiring contract). Considering that the Spurs have a promising project in James White, does Wallace make sense?

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I wonder what people would give for him. I've seen a lot of Duhon+Khryapa for Williams+Beno+Scola trades, which I don't like, not least of which because Duhon is very expensive for a back-up point guard and I believe Scola can be more valuable. I'd do a Bonner+2nd rounder, but likely Chicago thinks they can still use him.

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absolutly disagree on Duhon.
but there is no way the Bulls might trade him anyhow.
right now he is to important for Skiles system and at 3 million/year he has a very cap friendly contract. even if he was only playing the back-up PG, IMO he is absolutly worth this number.
(Duhon is just a pipe dream, but i would bet a back-up like him is also the pipe dream of Pop and he would love to spend this 3 million on him)

but the item is Khryapa.
Bonner for him would be a great deal for us and Spurs could also throw in a 2nd rounder (don't we have 3 for the next draft ?)
Bonner isn't very usfull right now, his major qualities are well covered by the other players. Khryapa has almost the same size, but is quicker and the much better defender and rebounder. Bulls might in fact like the shooting ability of Bonner, since none of their bigs has any range.

I like the idea of Khryapa, but how would that trade work? We would need a 3rd party I'm sure. Bonner makes 2M and Khryapa only makes 1.17M this year. The CBA won't like that trade.

We have our normal 2nd round pick as well as Milwaukee's (Damir Markota trade) and that is all I know of. The Bucks pick could be reasonably high, but the original Spurs pick will likely be pretty worthless to most teams.

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Trading for a player like Gerald Wallace makes more sense in the long-run, but it requires giving up pieces that the Spurs might intend to keep. Plus, some of the scenarios opt for trading Beno with no new PG coming in. Does that mean that Barry is the backup? Vaughn? Wallace would be a long-term solution as they would likely resign him, Johnson would be short-term (expiring contract). Considering that the Spurs have a promising project in James White, does Wallace make sense?

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if the Spurs can bring in Wallace, it would be crazy not to give him 30+ minutes. (which he would play at SG and SF).
so Barry (and even Manu) would play more minutes at PG. (where he is more efficient than Beno anyhow)
noone knows if White will ever be a usefull rotation player, so we can't think of him being a future starter. Wallace is a starting calibre player right now and he will be another 6 years from now. so it is not either or.
(in other words: Spurs will have the need for a starting SF soon and will also have the need for an athletic back-up wing. White will likely be the latter, maybe the future 6th man, and btw. don't forget that currentls they are both 24)

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I like the idea of Khryapa, but how would that trade work? We would need a 3rd party I'm sure. Bonner makes 2M and Khryapa only makes 1.17M this year. The CBA won't like that trade.

We have our normal 2nd round pick as well as Milwaukee's (Damir Markota trade) and that is all I know of. The Bucks pick could be reasonably high, but the original Spurs pick will likely be pretty worthless to most teams.

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Bulls could throw in Barrett (who they don't use) and the numbers work. (Barrett would then likely be waived by the Spurs).

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Bulls could throw in Barrett (who they don't use) and the numbers work. (Barrett would then likely be waived by the Spurs).

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The Spurs would be unable to accept that trade because they don't have the roster spots. We would have to waive one of our players and then reclaim them (like Orlando did with Bo Outlaw last year). I'm not sure how that works either. In otherwards, if the Spurs waived James White, could another team not technically acquire him before the Spurs were able to reclaim him? That would be a significant (and foolish) loss.

If the Spurs would be capable of acquiring Wallace I think it would make a lot of sense. He is a solid player already that can still grow. If hes unavailable then I think a Khryapa trade makes sense as well. Bonner is a pointless addition to the Spurs, but might actually serve a purpose in Chi-town.

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What about Linton Johnson? There was a little discussion on him and then it died down.

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I'm a fan of Linton Johnson as well, pretty much the exact type of player we need. Funny that you mention him, because he was a Spur in 04-05 (only played a few games), maybe you already knew that... Would have been nice to keep him around, but, we can't hold on to them all. If we could get him for cheap, I wouldn't mind at all. Couldn't be any worse than Eric Williams.

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The Spurs would be unable to accept that trade because they don't have the roster spots. We would have to waive one of our players and then reclaim them (like Orlando did with Bo Outlaw last year). I'm not sure how that works either. In otherwards, if the Spurs waived James White, could another team not technically acquire him before the Spurs were able to reclaim him? That would be a significant (and foolish) loss.

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Other teams can acquire him before Spurs thrus waivers.

The best thing to do is to have a third team with a roster spot who take Barrett.

The CBA allow to a team over the cap to get a player with a minimum salary without sending something in return like a trade exception or another player (it's called minimu salary exception).

Linton Johnson could probably be had for cheap if hes in the doghouse (JR Smith was traded as a toss in this summer in the Tyson Chandler trade). Johnson has a very small contract though which might make the numbers a little difficult. But with a 3rd team, Bonner could be swapped for him. The Hornets have a slew of SFs on their squad including Desmond Mason, Rasual Butler, Marcus "Marquinhos" Vinicius and obviously Peja Stojakovic. Linton Johnson is struggling to find minutes in that mix. The Hornets might be interested in a 2 guard in exchange (since there is no true 2 guard on the whole team).

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Just for fun -- if they could be had, who would people want the most:

Josh Childress
Mickael Pietrus
Gerald Wallace

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Personally, I like Josh Childress. I know he's got the funky release on his jumpshot and he's not as athletic as advertised when he came out of college, but he's a hustle player, can be a gritty defender, and won't disappoint on the offensive end.

The other two are good, I just wonder about Pietrus' consistency and Gerald Wallace's jumpshot.

1. I'd jump all over a Gerald Wallace trade, especially if Charlotte would think of the scraps trade mountainballer was suggesting (which it'd have to be). Udrih and Butler are replaceable, Scola is expendable, and Wallace is starter-caliber and would get heavy minutes off the bench before moving up in a year. The guy's 24 and has nasty abilities.

James White could still be developed. No problem there. He's low-risk anyway.

2. I don't get the guy above asking if a Bonner+second for Khryapa was crack-induced. It makes sense in theory.

The Spurs have 3 second rounders ONLY IF Chicago ends the season with one of the top 9 records, otherwise the pick reverts (and we never get one from them). As it stands, I don't see them as a top 9 team record-wise.

3. Linton Johnson would be decent to have on the bench at this point, but do we think he'd ever get playoff time? While we're dreaming, I'd like to dream about a guy who can play in the postseason.

Chicago is in the east. If they turn it around then they will have an easier schedule than any western team. But the Bulls need to turn it around soon.

Espn's trade machine is online now, try out your trades to see if they are legal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

Malik Rose??

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3. Linton Johnson would be decent to have on the bench at this point, but do we think he'd ever get playoff time? While we're dreaming, I'd like to dream about a guy who can play in the postseason.

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agree, Johnson just doesn't have the upside to ever be even a decent back-up SF, IMO he is the typical third stringer.
we are not talking about a player who helps out a bit and averages less than 10 minutes in the regular season and isn't used in the PO.
Spurs should go for a player who has either the potential to be the successor of Bowen as the starting SF (like Wallace), or the potential to be a versatile back-up forward, who can play (and defend) at the 3 and 4 (like Khryapa). either player would be helpfull right now, since we can pretty much write off E.Williams and since we can not be sure that Finley and Horry will turn things around and start to make a significant impact.

mountainballer, I think we're in agreement pretty much.

This team needs a major overhaul this summer. Not a blow up, naturally, since the Big Three remain along with Bowen as the core starters, but nearly everything else will need to be ripped out and replaced. Sure, an Elson and Barry here and there might be kept...

Why not overhaul this year? The team is clearly stable enough to manage an erruption on the bench. We're not trading Horry, Finley, or any of the greybeards, but we have some tinker pieces. I'd like to not trade Barry - he's been amazing - but why not try hard to get that vital piece for the future, who may pay dividends this year? Why not try to pull a Childress or a Wallace when he's down?

Just imagine going into the '07 draft with a clear picture of our SF future and being able to look at other positions in the draft.

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Chicago is in the east. If they turn it around then they will have an easier schedule than any western team. But the Bulls need to turn it around soon.

Espn's trade machine is online now, try out your trades to see if they are legal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

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Bonner for Nachbar works.
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Just imagine going into the '07 draft with a clear picture of our SF future and being able to look at other positions in the draft.

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Like Shooting Guard. I know Ginobili is unbelieveable on the court, but he's damn near guaranteed to miss 10-15 games with various ailments b/c of the way he plays. I'd like to see a good all-around SG to back up Ginobili, which may give the Spurs the leverage to deal Barry and his expiring (07-08) $6 mil contract.

PHAT TONY: Yes. Right now we're pinned to looking for SFs, but imagine looking at SGs and even PGs.

Undersized point guards or even point guards in general tend to drop in deep big-man drafts. Imagine nabbing a Rondo or a Marcus Williams type late in the draft and then going for a great scorer early in the 2nd - a Arenas or Redd wannabe.

don't get me wrong, of course the draft is vital for every franchise, no matter if lottery or a team like the Spurs, that usually picks late.
but the current needs won't be covered by a draft pick. (or if they did, it would be a bit of an accident).
Spurs have the most not signed draft picks of all teams in the league (5 right now), it is obvious that the Spurs draft philosophy is different to most other teams.
we will see at least 7 new players on the roster that starts the 2008/09 season, but considering the window of opportunity, most will be veterans. (I'm not talking 35 years old veterans, I mean players with some seasons under their belt)
thoses players can only be aquired via trade or free agency. Spurs will prefer the trade IMO, free agency didn't work that well lately (if we are honestly evaluating the signings). they won't go for a star player, but for one of thoses good players with adequate contracts. (somewhere in the 5-7 million area).

btw. something completly different, but now that the draft 2007 was mentioned. I know SG isn't our first need but
Rudy Fernandez
will finally be in the draft 2007 and (hopefully) not withdraw again. he is projected to be picked late in the first round.
if he falls to Spurs area: PICK HIM - PICK HIM - PICK HIM.
i watched him for quite some years, but now that he plays his first Euroleague season I can see more of him.
so I can tell you: it's exactly like some years ago, when Manu played Euroleague. there are so many similarities.
(in his first 6 games he was averaging 15.3 points in just 22 minutes, shooting 66% FG!)
he has a contract till 2008 (buyout is 2 million $ if he wants to get out before 2008), Spurs could easily wait. (he will be 23 then)
again: Fernandez is GREAT GREAT GREAT.
(mark my words, he will be as good as Manu)

Rudy Fernandez is a good player and I would love for the Spurs to pick him up. As I remember he has a pretty diverse skill-set which will make him very desirable to teams these days. He has the ball handling skills of a PG but actually plays the 3 for his current team. Somebody that is trying to play a diverse style of small-ball (a la the Suns) might be interested. Hes probably going to struggle defensively until he adds some more weight and muscle, but I really would like to pick him up too! Parker, Ginobili, Butler, "Flight" White, Mahinmi and Rudy Fernandez would be an absolutely amazing future for this franchise.

A guy like Ponkrashov might be available late, too, though he might be too unathletic for the NBA.

3-WAY TRADE
SPURS RECEIVE:
JEFF FOSTER
DANNY GRANGER
RODNEY CARNEY

76ERS RECEIVE:
MICHAEL FINLEY
ERIC WILLIAMS
JAMAAL TINSLEY
STEPHEN JACKSON

PACERS RECEIVE:
JACQUE VAUGHN
MATT BONNER
ALLEN IVERSON
RIGHTS TO LUIS SCOLA

I dont care about the other teams. It's a good trade for us!

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I really like Fernandez too and I think that he will been awesome pick. BTW, he scored 36 points :spin in a game three days ago.

Fernandez will be automaticly in the draft this year. Internatinal players born in 1985 (like Fernandez, Splitter or my boy Bokolo) are like college seniors : they are in the draft without needing to declare themselves and if they aren't drafted, they become nba FA.

and since this thread has turned into a pipe dream thread, Maggette's agent has just request a trade.
A trade like Maggette + korolev for Barry + Williams + Scola + a first round pick is a nice pipe dream. I guess that Maggette wants to start, Spurs can have a Parker/Bowen/Maggette/Duncan/Elson lineup with Manu as 6th man.

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I really like Fernandez too and I think that he will been awesome pick. BTW, he scored 36 points :spin in a game three days ago.

Fernandez will be automaticly in the draft this year. Internatinal players born in 1985 (like Fernandez, Splitter or my boy Bokolo) are like college seniors : they are in the draft without needing to declare themselves and if they aren't drafted, they become nba FA.

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Bokolo. yes!
a bit undersized for the NBA, but could develope into a poor man's Dwyane Wade.
a typical 2nd round pick IMO.
Spurs have all those 2nd round picks (and they for sure know him, otherwise Tony can tell something about him) if he is there they should get him.

Everyone has been saying this forever. Each year since the rules change has been tougher and tougher, more teams exposing this flaw in our team. Each offseason most people on this board know that this is what we need to address. Each offseason the front office has done nothing to address it.

All in the name of keeping us under that salary cap. Somewhere, Marcus Bryant is laughing right now.