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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by mountainballer
Bokolo. yes!
a bit undersized for the NBA, but could develope into a poor man's Dwyane Wade.
a typical 2nd round pick IMO.
Spurs have all those 2nd round picks (and they for sure know him, otherwise Tony can tell something about him) if he is there they should get him.
Bokolo plays PG for a little more than one year.
He has still limited PG skills and isn't the most efficient player on the offensive end (poor finisher around the rim and poor jumpshot) but he is a great defender and a sick athlete. He isn't starting material or first round material but I think that he can be a good backup PG for Spurs by bringing some energy and defense from the bench.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Bokolo plays PG for a little more than one year.
He has still limited PG skills and isn't the most efficient player on the offensive end (poor finisher around the rim and poor jumpshot) but he is a great defender and a sick athlete. He isn't starting material or first round material but I think that he can be a good backup PG for Spurs by bringing some energy and defense from the bench.
well, so we can agree that we use the first rounder for Fernandez, one second rounder for Bokolo and the other second rounder for Marc Gasol.
Bokolo
Fernandez
Sanikidze
Scola - Mahinmi
Gasol - Javtokas
looks like a well rounded farm team
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by mountainballer
well, so we can agree that we use the first rounder for Fernandez, one second rounder for Bokolo and the other second rounder for Marc Gasol.
I don't like Marc Gasol. I think that he is just a big white stiff who can be great in europe but who will never succeed in the nba. Maybe Spurs should draft a athletic SF/PF from a college with their second second rounder.
Anyway, the draft isn't tomorrow and a lot of things will change. The 07 draft seems to be very week, I jsut hope Spurs will find a quality player with Spurs first rounder and Bucks second rounder who should be around 35th-40th. :)
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
I tend to disagree. This is probably going to be a pretty deep draft compared to last year (and even years prior). Greg Oden, Joakim Noah, Kevin Durant, "Big Baby" Glenn Davis, Tiago Splitter and maybe some guys like Chase Budinger and Tyler Hansborough as well. That is a lot of "impact" guys that will take high picks. The lottery picks will be much more significant and therefore all the picks down the line will be more respectable.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
Chase Budinger
rofl rofl rofl x 12
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Bruno
The 07 draft seems to be very week
Huhn? For what sport? Major League Soccer?
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Darkwaters
I tend to disagree.
Me too. :)
I wanted to say : "The 07 draft seems to be very deep".
Stupid keyboard.
:spin
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
I find it rather amusing that ever since the depature of SJax the Spurs have never been able to adequately replace him. This has only fueled the swirling discussion on this board about locating an athletic swingman.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Chase Budinger
rofl rofl rofl x 12
Have you seen him play? Try it.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Bruno
and since this thread has turned into a pipe dream thread, Maggette's agent has just request a trade.
A trade like Maggette + korolev for Barry + Williams + Scola + a first round pick is a nice pipe dream. I guess that Maggette wants to start, Spurs can have a Parker/Bowen/Maggette/Duncan/Elson lineup with Manu as 6th man.
I think alot of people overrate Maggette, because his production doesn't match the hype. But, I think this is one case where it could. Maggette needs to be in the right situation with the right coach and he'd be a real stud.
The problem is that he's constantly overrated by other GM's as well and would certainly fetch more than Barry + cap space....
Like you said, "pipe dream", but it's one I'll share with you.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
Do you guys really think:
A) Corey Maggette is worth $7 million this year, plus two more years ending above $8 mill?
B) The Spurs would ever pay this?
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
The problem is that he's constantly overrated by other GM's as well and would certainly fetch more than Barry + cap space....
the reason why he is "overrated" is the fact that his contract is one of the more reasonable guard signings (for a boarderline all-star) of the last seasons.
7 million/year for a 27 years old player, who is constantly producing sounds nice to any GM (and coach).
in fact his 14 PPG and 6.4 RPG in just 25 minutes are a nice return of investment.
Maggette could (would) start for most teams in this league and as a starter he is a 20 PPG player.
I don't know if he would fit with the Spurs, but of course I wouldn't sneeze if he was on the Spurs roster.
btw. IMO he is not as bad as a defender as some mentioned. if fact he is- or could be -pretty good. in the right system he might quite show also qualities in this area.
when he is healthy, Clippers will get some quality offers for him.
of course much more than Barry, even if they are for sure interested in Brent, since they are so desperate for some shooting. (atrocious 29% 3PT and last in the league in this category)
but that's it, since the Spurs won't offer Manu and don't have the high picks, there is no package the Clippers will like.
but out of Maggette, there are some other players at the Clippers roster, who are quite interesting.
Korolev is totally raw, but in two or three years he could develope into a very special player.
IMO James Singleton is an interesting player. he is not a special talent, but i have seen some games at TV when he played in Italy. he is definitly a monster on the boards and could also play some SF. (even if he is more of a PF).
I don't know why the Clippers don't use him more. he might be one of those late bloomers and could be as a foreward, what Elson turned out to be as center.
he has a small contract, so if we could get him on the cheap side, he would be low risk. his rebounding and hustle would be quite usefull in some matchups.
(don't get me wrong, I don't think that he is the answer to the Spurs SF needs, I just wanted to point out a player who I think is far under the radar)
Clippers might like Bonner and his shooting ability. both teams would get rid of a rare used player and get a player who would adress more of the teams needs. (Clippers would have to include some additional salary to get the deal done)
a great deal would be: Bonner + Scola rights for Singleton + Korolev
(and this deal works by the numbers)
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Do you guys really think:
A) Corey Maggette is worth $7 million this year, plus two more years ending above $8 mill?
B) The Spurs would ever pay this?
A) Not as a bench player on his current team, but given the right situation...yes
B) No, that's why it's a pipe dream.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
Corey Maggette on then Spurs would be... insane. He could be a 20 point scorer easy as a starter.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by mountainballer
the reason why he is "overrated" is the fact that his contract is one of the more reasonable guard signings (for a boarderline all-star) of the last seasons.
7 million/year for a 27 years old player, who is constantly producing sounds nice to any GM (and coach).
in fact his 14 PPG and 6.4 RPG in just 25 minutes are a nice return of investment.
Maggette could (would) start for most teams in this league and as a starter he is a 20 PPG player.
I don't know if he would fit with the Spurs, but of course I wouldn't sneeze if he was on the Spurs roster.
btw. IMO he is not as bad as a defender as some mentioned. if fact he is- or could be -pretty good. in the right system he might quite show also qualities in this area.
when he is healthy, Clippers will get some quality offers for him.
of course much more than Barry, even if they are for sure interested in Brent, since they are so desperate for some shooting. (atrocious 29% 3PT and last in the league in this category)
but that's it, since the Spurs won't offer Manu and don't have the high picks, there is no package the Clippers will like.
but out of Maggette, there are some other players at the Clippers roster, who are quite interesting.
Korolev is totally raw, but in two or three years he could develope into a very special player.
IMO James Singleton is an interesting player. he is not a special talent, but i have seen some games at TV when he played in Italy. he is definitly a monster on the boards and could also play some SF. (even if he is more of a PF).
I don't know why the Clippers don't use him more. he might be one of those late bloomers and could be as a foreward, what Elson turned out to be as center.
he has a small contract, so if we could get him on the cheap side, he would be low risk. his rebounding and hustle would be quite usefull in some matchups.
(don't get me wrong, I don't think that he is the answer to the Spurs SF needs, I just wanted to point out a player who I think is far under the radar)
Clippers might like Bonner and his shooting ability. both teams would get rid of a rare used player and get a player who would adress more of the teams needs. (Clippers would have to include some additional salary to get the deal done)
a great deal would be: Bonner + Scola rights for Singleton + Korolev
(and this deal works by the numbers)
I think we're in agreement on the player that Maggette could be if he were in a different situation.
Not sure I agree with the rest of your post. Singeleton is nice, but Korolev was a mistake and should've never been a lottery pick.
If you want to go with long, lanky foreign forward, I'd go Ilyasova of the Bucks, or Kryhapa (previously mentioned in thread).
Also disagree with them wanting Bonner. They signed Tim Thomas to be their big, outside shooter.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
Singeleton is nice, but Korolev was a mistake and should've never been a lottery pick.
same was often said about Biedrins the last two years.
of course Korolev could turn out to be a bust. but i would definitly gamble on him. he is 19. I think he is a potential Biedrins story.
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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
If you want to go with long, lanky foreign forward, I'd go Ilyasova of the Bucks, or Kryhapa (previously mentioned in thread).
Also disagree with them wanting Bonner. They signed Tim Thomas to be their big, outside shooter.
Khryapa was the reason for my first post in this thread, he would be a great solution.
Ilyasova would also be interesting, if the asking price is right. he isn't that raw like Korolev, but I still guess Korolev has much more upside. we will see in two years.
you are right about TT, almost forgot him.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
One thing to consider about Korolev is that Clippers haven't picked his option for the third year of his rookie contract. He will be an unrestricted free agent next summer. If Spurs are high on him they can sign him this summer.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Bruno
One thing to consider about Korolev is that Clippers haven't picked his option for the third year of his rookie contract. He will be an unrestricted free agent next summer. If Spurs are high on him they can sign him this summer.
The problem is Korolev is expensive as a project. That's the trouble with drafting a project in the lottery, if you're a cheap-ass team. It was time to fish or cut bait and they decided to cut out. I have no idea what Korolev's future in the league is. If he wants to stay in the NBA, then he'll probably be cheap, but he may just as soon return to Europe or Russia and hone his game there. Apparently he was athletic enough for the NBA, but just wasn't looking good enough, or at least ready. But neither does Ilyasova and Milwaukee is taking it slower with him.
At some point I'll have to review the Draft boards and see who the Clippers could have had instead of him.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by Bruno
One thing to consider about Korolev is that Clippers haven't picked his option for the third year of his rookie contract. He will be an unrestricted free agent next summer. If Spurs are high on him they can sign him this summer.
And they will! Book it! Just kidding...
Honestly, you have to wonder about a kid that couldn't even garner a qualifying offer from his team.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by z0sa
Corey Maggette on then Spurs would be... insane. He could be a 20 point scorer easy as a starter.
Could be... maybe not. He's also a strong rebounder at the position.
But other than costing way too much, he's also very injury prone, having gotten to 70 games only in two seasons of his career, one of them his rookie season in 1999-2000. He only played in 32 games last year and is already down this one.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
Maggette would be injured in 2 weeks and be useless in the long run.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
Maggette would be a nice option not for his scoring but for his rebounding.
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
If we want to pay him that much to be a rebounder, can't we get better options else where, and for much cheaper??
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Re: The Spurs must trade for a long SF
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Originally Posted by inagra
If we want to pay him that much to be a rebounder, can't we get better options else where, and for much cheaper??
:tu
Pop would have an aneurysm if Maggette were on his team getting lost on defense and chucking like a madman.