Beno to defend length of the court

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Depend on what the prize is.

If Charlotte want Spurs' first round pick, I rather stick to Beno and draft a solid backup PG with the pick. I don't know NCAA well but Acie Law seems to be a good candidate. The advantage of drafting a PG instead of trading the pick for Knight, Calderon, Duhon or Lue is that you have the player for 4 years on a cheap contract.

If Udrih + Williams + some cash and/or second round pick is enough, it can be a very good solution.

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Agree with you in general that most deals involving a 2007 draft pick (especially the first rounder) should be looked at very carefully. Providing a short-term solution by trading away picks, Scola, and/or Beno could come back to haunt the Spurs.

Love your last trade proposal, don't know if Charlotte would...

One thing is for sure though, Beno has got to move with a sense of urgency. This kid isn't making the most of his opportunities and keeps alienating himself from Pop's good graces with his mistakes. I agree that more patience is needed, b/c the Spurs just don't have any better options, but Beno needs to step up.

i think beno is goin to get dpoy if he keeps up with the full court press :D

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Originally Posted by Bruno

You can say that Beno sucks and Spurs should trade him as much as you want but the reality is that getting a good backup PG isn't that easy.

Nobody wnat Vaughn as backup PG. If Spurs trade beno, they need a backup PG back who :
- is better than Vaughn.
- isn't on a big contract. Spurs won't have a backup PG with a multiyear MLE contract. DOn't forget too that Spurs want to have capspace in 08-09.
- is available for a package with a late first or the rights to Scola.

Players who fits that description :
Jose Calderon
Chris Duhon
Steve Blake
Tyronn Lue
Brevin Knight
Keyon Dooling
Earl Boykins

Quite weak offer.

Dooling, Blake or Boykins isn't really a clear upgrade over Beno/Vaughn andI'm not ready to give up a first round pick or Scola for Duhon, Calderon or Lue.


All in all, Spurs haven't a lot of options available to get a good backup PG and maybe the best solution is to work with Beno who has the level to be a good backup PG.

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Beno is almost untradeable because he has no value IMO. Boykins, dooling, knight, Duhon & Lue are easily better than Beno at this point.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Beno is a waste of a paycheck envelope.

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No worries, Spurs get direct deposit. :)

The interesting thing to me in watching the game was that all of the PGs for the Spurs were picking up their defensive assignments in the backcourt...not just Beno. Tony did it. Jacque did it. Beno didn't really pressure the ball like Tony and Jacque did.

I never noticed Beno defending end-line to end-line when he was in there. TP, however, benefited from pressuring immediately after a score. Marc Blount accidentally let his inbound pass release before he meant to (it just slipped out and bounced a couple of times before bouncing inbounds :lol ). Since TP was there to pressure Foye, TP was quickest to reach down, pick up the ball and score his easiest bucket of the night.

Jacque looked especially strong in doubling the ball. He was effective enough in his role in traps to force the use of the entire shot clock.

I don't know how seriously Beno took his assignment.

If Beno does disappear we could always go back to what some of us have been saying since the Spurs signed Brent Barry... Let Brent back up both guard positions. He was the starting PG in Seattle for a couple of seasons. He's not blazing fast but he can handle the ball just fine, he's a great passer and the Spurs offense is almost always a lot smoother when he's on the floor. Sub him in for Ginobili, slide him to the point when Parker goes out, you have Finley to back up the 2 and 3 as needed. Am I alone on this?

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Originally Posted by Solid D

The interesting thing to me in watching the game was that all of the PGs for the Spurs were picking up their defensive assignments in the backcourt...not just Beno. Tony did it. Jacque did it. Beno didn't really pressure the ball like Tony and Jacque did.

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Is that why Beno got in trouble with Pop?

I was wondering about his second half absense.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

The interesting thing to me in watching the game was that all of the PGs for the Spurs were picking up their defensive assignments in the backcourt...not just Beno. Tony did it. Jacque did it. Beno didn't really pressure the ball like Tony and Jacque did.

I never noticed Beno defending end-line to end-line when he was in there. TP, however, benefited from pressuring immediately after a score. Marc Blount accidentally let his inbound pass release before he meant to (it just slipped out and bounced a couple of times before bouncing inbounds :lol ). Since TP was there to pressure Foye, TP was quickest to reach down, pick up the ball and score his easiest bucket of the night.

Jacque looked especially strong in doubling the ball. He was effective enough in his role in traps to force the use of the entire shot clock.

I don't know how seriously Beno took his assignment.

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What made that play so freaking funny was the Ref standing right there, Tony makes the basket and the ref is just left there shrugging his sholders... he didnt know what the fuck to make of it :lol

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Originally Posted by VaSpursFan

won't help. he's just not a good fit for the spurs IMO.

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Ummm...he's a great fit and always has been. Watch the Spurs much?

:idiot

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I don't know how seriously Beno took his assignment.

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every minute this guy is on the team Pop loses more credibility. It's time for the Spurs to cut their losses.

You lost me at Beno to defend.....

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Originally Posted by MrChug

Ummm...he's a great fit and always has been. Watch the Spurs much?

:idiot

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the only one who doesn't watch the spurs much is apparently you. If Beno was so good why is he consistently in Pop's dog house? Also, how does a 50 year old, overweight, one-legged Nick fat Xel beat you out?

Now no shooting Jaque Vaughn is getting closer to taking Beno's spot.

Beno sucks and unless you're a relative or something I don't get the love.

btw, name calling gets you nowhere.

OM I just realized you might not be 18 yrs old yet, so if that's the case ignore everything I just said.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

Is that why Beno got in trouble with Pop?

I was wondering about his second half absense.

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I saw one play in particular where Beno left the switch-man to double w/ Horry at the top of the key, but he was even slow getting to the ball handler and left Timmy hanging in the post split between two guys. It ended in and easy layup.

I'm no basketball guru, but I could've recognized the switch or run faster to pressure the ball-carrier if it was meant to be a double-team.

Not sure if that's what did it, but if I know Pop's short temper w/ Beno, I'd say that's it.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

This kid isn't making the most of his opportunities and keeps alienating himself from Pop's good graces with his mistakes.

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I don't see Beno's situation like that.
To me he is just learning to play the way Pop wants that he plays.
To be benched after one minute on the court is frequent for Spurs' rookies (see Elson), Pop has never been a soft teacher.
And I know that Beno isn't a rookie but Pop's learning isn't finished with Beno.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

I don't see Beno's situation like that.
To me he is just learning to play the way Pop wants that he plays.
To be benched after one minute on the court is frequent for Spurs' rookies (see Elson), Pop has never been a soft teacher.
And I know that Beno isn't a rookie but Pop's learning isn't finished with Beno.

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Bruno, this is Beno's 3rd year. He's not tough enough to compete at the NBA level.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

I don't see Beno's situation like that.
To me he is just learning to play the way Pop wants that he plays.
To be benched after one minute on the court is frequent for Spurs' rookies (see Elson), Pop has never been a soft teacher.
And I know that Beno isn't a rookie but Pop's learning isn't finished with Beno.

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I know he was this tough on Tony, but he also debated signing J-Kidd and trading Tony away. I think if Tony hadn't rounded out and if he'd had a so-so season last year, there would be speculation/trade rumors. But he's become incredible and damn-near irreplaceable.

I HOPE the same happens for Beno, but it's tough to see that right now.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

Bruno, this is Beno's 3rd year. He's not tough enough to compete at the NBA level.

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That's your POV. I understand it, there are strong facts that tends to prove that you're right but I disagree with it.

Beno isn't a though player but he is really talented.
I think that his talent is enough to offset a part of his lack of thoughness and make him a good backup PG. Beno will likely not reach his full potential in the next couple of years or even ever (Beno is talented enough to be a starting PG) but I think that he will be good enough to give Spurs 12-14 good mpg.

Spurs just need a backup PG. It' not important that he is a talented pussy or a warrior with few BB skill as long as he has the right level.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

Bruno, this is Beno's 3rd year. He's not tough enough to compete at the NBA level.

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What level? Bla, bla, bla experts.....Melo, James, Bosh, Kirk, Wade...are they the level you talk about? They have a fine summer at WC. The level.

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Originally Posted by Kibic

What level? Bla, bla, bla experts.....Melo, James, Bosh, Kirk, Wade...are they the level you talk about? They have a fine summer at WC. The level.

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Ouch. Good one, Kibic.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Ouch. Good one, Kibic.

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wow, you're usually a good poster. Rings for scrubs doesn't mean much.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

That's your POV. I understand it, there are strong facts that tends to prove that you're right but I disagree with it.

Beno isn't a though player but he is really talented.
I think that his talent is enough to offset a part of his lack of thoughness and make him a good backup PG. Beno will likely not reach his full potential in the next couple of years or even ever (Beno is talented enough to be a starting PG) but I think that he will be good enough to give Spurs 12-14 good mpg.

Spurs just need a backup PG. It' not important that he is a talented pussy or a warrior with few BB skill as long as he has the right level.

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understood. we'll agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

wow, you're usually a good poster. Rings for scrubs doesn't mean much.

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And WTF do you bring to this board? One linears and hate.

The funny thing about this thread is Beno was playing a lot worse eariler this year. At least he's trying on defense now and he's not as much of a chucker. Still playing poorly overall but at least his game is getting better.

Beno to fall on face attempting to split two defenders immobilized by pick

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Beno to fall on face attempting to split two defenders immobilized by pick

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:rollin

Yeah, someone send a memo to Beno that he can't split the pick-and-rolls anymore. Maybe a few cheeseburgers ago. How many times does he have to try it, fall down, turn the ball over and give the other team a layup before he figures this out?





P.S.

I'd like one good reason why Beno is ever on the court to end a quarter. Has he ever produced offensively or defensively with under 20 seconds to go in a quarter?