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2006-2007
Elson/Oberto: 38 mpg
Rasho/Nazr: 37 mpg
Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg
Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg
Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
Rasho/Nazr: .8 ast
Elson/Oberto: 55% FG
Rasho/Nazr: 52% FG
Elson/Oberto: 78% FT
Rasho/Nazr: 54% FT
So who wanted to overpay those guys?
lets see playoffs first
Nazr turned out to be a big scrub. I really liked him in the 05 playoffs, but after that, he was a complete waste.
His 05 playoff success is blown out of proportion. He averaged like 7 and 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
From a strictly financial viewpoint, Fab-Fran makes better sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Skill wise, Rasho/Nazi were better interior defenders, but Fab-Fran are better passers (Fab) and more athletic (Fran).
Pretty much a wash on the court at this stage in the season. I don't see either of them winning games or costing us games so far.
D-Fence :clap :clap D-Fence :clap :clap D-Fence :clap :clapQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Did someone just try to pimp Nazr's defense?
I hope Elson/Oberto can end up averaging more than that.Quote:
Elson/Oberto: 11.1 ppg
Rasho/Nazr: 10.8 ppg
Elson/Oberto:10.3 rpg
Rasho/Nazr: 9.3 rpg
Nazr/Rasho averaged 11 and 9 here last (regular) season and the Spurs a little more than that.
Doesn't matter. I'm not talking about his stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
He actually had a presence on the court. He dunked on people. He hustled more, tried to get a lot of offensive boards, and was more aggressive.
He did that for just a few games of the playoffs. He's like Speedy Claxton, people remember a couple games and pretend in their heads that was the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
True. Hopefully they will actually play in the postseason, and that will be where they surpass Rasho/Nazr's contributions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandman
That is what I was thinking. Like we didn't have a few other players who knew a little bit about defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
He pooped on Denver, that's all I care about.
if they can poop on dallas in the playoffs this year
they are both greater then nash and rasho!
Nash???Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
I know the names can get confusing every once in a while, but how can one confuse Steve Nash with Nazr Mohammed?
here's to more pooping on opponents!
Opponents driving the lane in 2005 and finding Nazr and Duncan instead of Duncan and smallballer. Which was more effective?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Also timely shots blocked, even if only a *few* games, helped tremendously in winning those *few* games and series. Ya know, the 4 series the Spurs were in?
4 better then 2. That's what i be pimpin. :hat
Thanks for the research. It's interesting to see the statistical comparison. Since both sets were/are screen-setters and rebounders in their Spurs' roles, it's tough to use pure stats to see their team values.
Actually they found Duncan. Nazr was standing 10 feet away studying his playbook flash cards.Quote:
Opponents driving the lane in 2005 and finding Nazr and Duncan
I wonder what the turnover comparison would be? Rasho was OK I'm guessing, but NAZR sucked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
And I don't suppose there's a category for having dunk shot blocked after three pump fakes. :wakeup
Not unless there is a category for most passes from slashing guards 3 feet from the basket that were brink-handed out of bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
you forgot about D...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Elson/Oberto: 1.1 bpg
Rasho/Nazr: 3.1 bpg
:wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by fonzy16
Rasho/Nazr : 2.3 bpg
$5,500,000 vs $12,495,000
BTW, to me the most accurate comparaison is between 2005-2006 Rasho/Nazr and 2006-2007 Elson/Oberto.
Elson/Oberto: 38.6 mpg
Rasho/Nazr: 36.3 mpg
Elson/Oberto: 11.2 ppg
Rasho/Nazr: 10.7 ppg
Elson/Oberto:10.5 rpg
Rasho/Nazr: 9.1 rpg
Elson/Oberto: 2.4 ast
Rasho/Nazr: 0.9 ast
Elson/Oberto: 54.4% FG
Rasho/Nazr: 50.9% FG
Elson/Oberto: 78.0% FT
Rasho/Nazr: 75.2% FT
Elson/Oberto: 0.79 steals
Rasho/Nazr: 0.52 steals
Elson/Oberto: 1.17 blocks
Rasho/Nazr: 1.71 blocks
Elson/Oberto: 2.15 TO
Rasho/Nazr: 1.80 TO
Elson/Oberto: 5.7 PF
Rasho/Nazr: 5.4 PF
Nazr and Rasho never really played the playoffs together. Saying that the comparison becomes senseless.
Nazr played no defense, grabbed RBs he needn't, and ignored teamplay.
Rasho understood his role, played defense while no offense was given to him since he displayed no passion.
They together were hardly the two-headed monster Nazr said they were.
Elson/Oberto played a preseason together, team was working intensely on fitting the pieces and are awesome. I have a great feeling about them. But none of them can do what Rasho does, and Pop was great to notice, the team doesn't need that heavy defense presence in the West anymore.
I totally agree on the Nazr comment. Nazr was good for two or three games in the playoffs but was scrubbish in a few games too. However, Speedy was consistently good for the Spurs. If Speedy wouldn't have gotten hurt he might have taken the starting role from Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Nevertheless, Speedy is an excellent "backup" point guard.
I've now seen three different sets of figures on blocks per game.
"Elson/Oberto: 1.17 blocks
Rasho/Nazr: 1.71 blocks"
"you forgot about D...
Elson/Oberto: 1.1 bpg
Rasho/Nazr: 3.1 bpg "
"Rasho/Nazr : 2.3 bpg"
Come on guys, get your shit together. Not that one category would make any difference. The stats thus far aren't conclusive, but lean to the new tandem.
I like the new tandem. They give us different things, but on the whole I think they will work out better and at a price that gives us more flexibility.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
2.3 is the average number of blocks for 2006-07 Rasho/Nazr, which is what the original poster is comparing. (2.33 if you want to be exact)
In the first set of numbers as he says in the post, Bruno is comparing 2005-2006 Rasho/Nazr and 2006-2007 Elson/Oberto.
I do not not know where the 3.1 stat came from.
Come on guy, RIF.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
ups i checked again... :nerd seems i made a sum of wrong figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
but refering to champion 04/05 season, they combined for 2.7 (Rasho1.7 and Nazr 1.1).
and for 05/06 its combined 1.7bpg (rasho 1.1, Nazr 0.6)
Rasho did not play much so far in this season right now ,becouse Bosh is out he is playing more and very good.
Great post! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly