evans better watch out then, elson will call him out for being "gay" like garnett!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Lanier
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evans better watch out then, elson will call him out for being "gay" like garnett!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Lanier
I would like a Vbookie.....
AI and Melo together will score alot of points and thus demand alot of shots from the rest of the players....
Im not saying it wont work but the question is there.... can they share between them??? and the bigger question.... can they share between the rest of their teammates...
Im not yet ready to believe they are a title contender, You have 2 players that are perinial ball-hogs on one team. theres a reason AI is the NBA top scorer.. The guy is averaging this season 10.1 FGM vs 24.4 FGA. Put him in a team with shooters and his stats go down, garunteed. 3pt's even worse at 23%... he was barely shooting 41% and thats as the main scorer at 42-43mpg. I would search for previous year stats but why? Everyone knows AI isn't a disher, his stats would probably be almost similar.
I admit the guy is a great shooter but how is he going to react on a team that has another allstar caliber person, nevermind roleplayers....
Stat line:
PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG PTS FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT%
1 Allen Iverson , PHI 15 42.7 31.2 10.1-24.4 .413 .8-3.5 .226 10.3-11.6 .885
I would put money down that he will either hurt Denver or keep them even with what they have done in previous years. Teams need to learn putting 2 ballhogs on 1 team RARELY works... It will be interesting to see how Melo and AI react to eachother.
or, AI and melo score 22-24pppg, more efficiently.
we wont know for a while which it will be but its not at all improbable that given more options the nuggets will improve the quality of their offense.
in any case i agree with the other guy who said that camby is the one that makes them special. Sure, he isnt going to lead the to the 1st seed with his injury problems, but if he makes it to the playoffs in good shape these guys will be extremely difficult to beat and a very tough matchup for us specifically- AI can keep up with parker and trade baskets with him; JR smith can keep manu busy and off AI; Melo gives bruce problems; and they have enough depth and strength at the frontcourt to foul tim, crowd out our penetration, and outrebound oberto, horry and elson. If we beat them it will take a huge effort esp. from the big 3 and pop out-coaching karl.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
Hell no!
Yeah....Enron looked good on paper also...See how that worked out.Quote:
It's too soon to say but they are really good on the paper
I just don't see it....Two players who think they are "the man" on one team. Usually spells disaster.
no doubt, this team looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
this would mean that Spurs should think of some moves to improve their perimeter defense.
Vaughn as an additional option won't do it, especially since he doesn't play at all.
Beno, Barry and Finley can pretty much be ignored when talking about perimeter defense.
and Spurs can't afford that Manu and Tony spend all energy on defending AI and Smith.
a big PG, who can also guard the SG will be needed more than ever.
(I'm sure Pop was thinking of such a player when he for example tried to trade Beno for Jarret Jack in 2005)
Spurs should explore what it would take to get for example Charly Bell from the Bucks. or maybe Keyon Dooling from the Magic.
or Luther Head from the Rockets. (who isn't exactly a look down defender, but getting better in this area)
other players like Jannero Pargo, Daniel Ewing, Jason Hart come to my mind.
(I would also mention this player....agrr, Antonio Daniels in this regard, if he didn't cost way to much anyhow)
I don't get at all your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
Against who do you want that Manu/Tony defend ? Melo ? Denver's bigs ?
Do you realize that in playoff, Iverson will play something like 45 mpg. And you want that Spurs backup PG defend the opposite SG. Who will defend Iverson (or Boykins) then ?
If Beno can't defend at all on Boykins/Iverson, Spurs need a small and quick PG like Vaughn.
The Spurs don't need to react to this trade. Nor do the Mavs or Suns.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
No they don't.Quote:
The Spurs don't need to react to this trade. Nor do the Mavs or Suns.
no. i really don't think the addition of AI will cause us many problems. i like how we match up. Camby/Duncan. melo/bruce. ai/tony. smith/manu. nene/elberto. i think we'll win any 7 games series against this squad because our bench is stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
common. please don't try to make me look like an idiot. of course I don't think that Manu and Tony defend Melo or whoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I was talking of a player in the backcourt rotation, who can provide defense at both guard spots. neither Manu nor Tony will play the mentioned 45 minutes.
(and if they have to, it is not a good sign at all). In the current back-court rotation we have two players in Brent and Beno, who couldn't even think of help defending AI and JR when they go hot. I know that Vaughn was aquired to help out on defense in the first place. but do you think he will really be able to play a significant role, if he doesn't play at all in the regular season?
Smith is 6'6", 220lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
Iverson is 6'0", 165lbs.
Boykins is 5'5", 133lbs.
I don't see the use of a big PG, Smith is a big SG and I rather use a legit SG to defend him. Iverson and Boykins are both small PGs.
Yes. Vaughn will be able to play solid D on Iverson or Boykins even if he hasn't played for months : he is a vet with a great work ethic. Remember Mike Wilks against Boykins in 05.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
as we learned lately, in the case of Smith even a very undersized PG is enough to ...ehhh...stop him ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
next try. Bruce will be working to capacity defending Melo.
Manu will defend Smith. do we want Manu to be the only option to do this?
Brent and Finley will look even older when trying.
I'm a fan of having a quick and good defending combo guard on the roster. (not particular just when playing the Nuggets, such a player also would have been crucial in the Dallas series last year). I think all the mentioned players more or less meet this describtion.
Man the West just keeps on getting tougher by the day. :bang They oughta let the division champions of the West battle for the NBA championship and forget about the East. Look at their pathetic records.
Meanwhile Forget Denver. Did anyone notice that the SUNS have now won 15 Straight? :wakeup
Amare scored 28 with 10 rebounds in 28 minutes last night and Nash is picking teams apart as usual. I posted earlier that I didn't think Amare would be so good so soon, but here he comes.
I don't care if all those Suns' wins were against the Little Sisters of Perpetual PMS, a string of victories like that shows consistency, daily effort, and concentration.
How many times have we seen the Spurs lose because of some failure in one of those attibutes, especially in B to Bs?
What a dogfight the Western Conference playoff are going to be. I guess it will be fun to watch as a basketball fan, but I hope I don't have a heart attack.:hungry:
our defensive scheme is based on staying in front of your man or funneling him baseline into the bigs. it's good enough to handle denver. you keep any opponent out of the paint and turn them into a jump shooting team, i like our chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
Yeah, a big reason that Dallas got by the Spurs last year was that Parker was hurt and couldn't stay in front of his man (mostly Harris).Quote:
Originally Posted by VaSpursFan
I find that you overrate Smith and you underrate Barry/Finley. Smith isn't Kobe and even if Barry/Finley aren't the greatest defenders in the league, they are good enough to do a decent job on players like Smith.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
If you don't want to use Barry/Finley against Denver because Smith is a too good offensive player for them, they won't play at all in playoff because almost all playoffs teams have at least 2 SG/SF as good as Smith on the offensive end.
If there is something that you can fear against Nuggets, it's the lack of a long/strong SF able to handle Melo when Bruce is in foul trouble or on the bench. I'm not worried at all by Smith.
I find that Spurs are fine at PG/SG on the defensive end.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
At PG : Parker will play 38mpg and he isn't a bad defender. Vaughn is a good defender too and can be usefull if Beno stuggles.
At SG : Manu is a good defender and Bruce (who isn't more a SF than a SG) is a great defender.
The biggest problem is that the West would be so beat up by the time their reach the finals, the East's representative will have an easier time dealing with them. That's my theory for the Heat's victory over the Mavs last year, at least.
I don't buy that at all. The Mavs really didn't play in any physical series in the west last year. The Spurs series was a long, tightly contested series but it wasn't that physical. There really wasn't a lot of defense being played by either the Mavs or even the Spurs in that series. The Suns series was the normal run & gun type series that you'd expect to play against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
The Mavs just didn't adjust very well to the adjustments that the Heat made. They weren't tired. They just blew it and ran into a very hot Wade.
nothing's changed for the spurs. the big four are still spurs, mavs, suns. denver, houston, and the jazz can battle it out for the four spot.
I think Denver is a factor, when they were not before the trade. And, they could be a possible suprise team in the playoffs. They won't be an easy out, if anything.
Right now, to me, it's still Dallas, San Antonio, and Phoenix.
I personally think Dallas is the best team in the Western Conference right now. And, I think Phoenix is pretty strong as well. San Antonio's experience, coaching, and basketball IQ as a team will continue to make them sure contenders. But, I just think that Dallas and Phoenix are better teams.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if any of those three make it to the NBA Finals.
Denver and the Lakers are probably the dark horses. They could upset any of those teams, but they still will likely not make it to the NBA Finals.
Iverson + Boykins = Nugget Greatness
Heard Mario Ellie on a Houston sports radio interview today. He said Phoenix has the best six players in the league.
When the playoffs come and the coaches shorten the rotations, I wonder if their six-7 can beat our six-7 roster.
I never noticed Parker being hurt. Maybe he was worn down a little by Sacramento but I didn't see him bothered except slightly in game 2. I would be hurt to if I had chase Devin Harris all over the place. The guy is fast. Game 3 he was 100% again.Quote:
Originally Posted by mabber