So, remind me

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

It is not a panic.
But what we (you) saw in last few games was pathetic IMO. Letting teams like Phila or Memphis get back into the game? Losing to Houston & Lakers - very important games.

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Very important games ?
It's december, not april. :)

Spurs' fans look sometimes like spoilt children :
- Spurs aren't light year better than teams like Rockets or Lakers. Spurs need to have a good game to beat them. If they play bad, they are blown out. You had to accept that Spurs aren't the only good team in nba.
- It's a 82 games season, Spurs can't be at 100% for each game and bb is a sport prone to bad nights because shooting isn't a reliable skill.

Losing is never a good thing but a loss in december and some average games isn't the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

no excuses when we had a 3 day break :(

we suck!

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Excuse ?
RIF.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Very important games ?
It's december, not april. :)

Spurs' fans look sometimes like spoilt children :
- Spurs aren't light year better than teams like Rockets or Lakers. Spurs need to have a good game to beat them. If they play bad, they are blown out. You had to accept that Spurs aren't the only good team in nba.
- It's a 82 games season, Spurs can't be at 100% for each game and bb is a sport prone to bad nights because shooting isn't a reliable skill.

Losing is never a good thing but a loss in december and some average games isn't the end of the season.

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You sounds like a history teacher :dizzy

I know what month of the year is right now.
last year was excactly the same. It;s November, It's december... :blah
And the spurs ended in the 2nd round just because they fucked up some crucial posessions. How to avoid them? Take care of every detail in every game of a season. Why?
Becase taking care of details must to be an automatic when PO time will come.

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

You sounds like a history teacher :dizzy

I know what month of the year is right now.
last year was excactly the same. It;s November, It's december... :blah
And the spurs ended in the 2nd round just because they fucked up some crucial posessions. How to avoid them? Take care of every detail in every game of a season. Why?
Becase taking care of details must to be an automatic when PO time will come.

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As I sound as an history teacher :
Last year, Spurs have win 63 games, Pistons have win 64 games and Miami has won the title with only 52 wins in the regular season.

Don't forget : SPAM.
We will start to see if Spurs are in a good shape for the palyoffs jsut after the rodeo road trip.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

As I sound as an history teacher :
Last year, Spurs have win 63 games, Pistons have win 64 games and Miami has won the title with only 52 wins in the regular season.

Don't forget : SPAM.
We will start to see if Spurs are in a good shape for the palyoffs jsut after the rodeo road trip.

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Eh, those win numbers are a bad analogy considering the amount of games Shaq missed earlier in the year. A healthy Shaq and they probably top 60 wins also. Who are the Spurs missing?

The Spurs have looked bad against the best teams in the West, Bruno. Regardless of their overall record, they have not looked good yet against Houston, the Lakers, Utah. They've looked OK against Dallas, but its nothing to write home about.

But I honestly do think the most telling thing is that Tim Duncan does look to be in fact playing lazy. Right now this team is riding Manu and Tony. Look at the record when Manu was out. Never before has the buden of this team been so light on Duncan's shoulders and I'm sure that is NOT a good thing for success in the Playoffs.

There are no injury woes for Duncan this year. Dude simply needs to kick it into a higher gear if he can. If he can't, then we simply won't win the title this year. Tony Parker cannot lead this team to a title, Tim will have to do it.

Bruno I was not talking about the amount of wins

I am an NBA fan quite a long time to know what is going on.


btw. Have won

This team lost by 20 points at home to a supposed inferior opponent that was without one of its best two players - Tracy McGrady. What's wrong with this picture?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Eh, those win numbers are a bad analogy considering the amount of games Shaq missed earlier in the year. A healthy Shaq and they probably top 60 wins also. Who are the Spurs missing?

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Spurs are 18-4 with Manu.
Spurs are on the road to 61 wins.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

But I honestly do think the most telling thing is that Tim Duncan does look to be in fact playing lazy. Right now this team is riding Manu and Tony. Look at the record when Manu was out. Never before has the buden of this team been so light on Duncan's shoulders and I'm sure that is NOT a good thing for success in the Playoffs.

There are no injury woes for Duncan this year. Dude simply needs to kick it into a higher gear if he can. If he can't, then we simply won't win the title this year. Tony Parker cannot lead this team to a title, Tim will have to do it.

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Agree, I found Duncan quite lazy.
He is 30 years old and has played more than 750 games in nba.
I can understand that he doesn't put the extra effort in regular season games but he will need to play at another level during the playoffs (like Shaq did last year).

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Originally Posted by JamStone

Because Bonzi thought he was worth $10 million a year, and the most any legitimate suitor had to offer was the MLE. Bozo priced himself out.

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So since he signed with Hou for 2.1 this season and 2.3 the next, why is it the Spurs could not have signed him?

Was Jordan playing lazy when he was 30?


And if those december games are not important, why are they playing them then?

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

Was Jordan playing lazy when he was 30?

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Duncan isn't Jordan. I can understant that some players put less effort becouse they are less motivated in a regular season game after 10 years in the league than when they were rookie.
The difference between Jordan and Duncan is that Duncan is a PF/C and isn't a natural scorer. Paint defense, rebounding and working in the post isn't the same thing that taking jumpshot and making drives : Duncan has to battle in the paint to be effective.

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

And if those december games are not important, why are they playing them then?

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Do they have capitalism in Poland ? :)
The main reason why NBA seasons are 82 games long is money : more games, more money.
If BB was the main focus of the nba, regular seasons would be 40 games long and not a 82 games season that isn't mor meaningfull but that creates tons of injuries and where teams aren't at 100% in some games (b2b, 4th game in 5 days..).

They are playing 82 for 30 years or so in NBA, so this is no news to none players.

I was being a little sarcastic saying about Jordan and the games. But okay. Where was Olajuwon when he was 30?

(championships championships)

Was Olajuwon a post player?

The Spurs defense, as a whole, is horrible right now.

Opponent's FG% is around 45/46%. And that translates into wins when the Spurs are shooting hot, but when they run cold or play a team that plays any kind of defense, then they are dead in the water.

Last night the interior defense was horrible and not just on Yao. Any Rocket could get into the lane for a variety of runners, hookers, layups, whatever. Elson is a bad defender. Oberto is sometimes just too slow/small, so he gets in foul trouble. And add to that Tim playing like he doesn't care on D. Weirdly enough, Bruce/Manu sucked on D too last night, but that's not the norm. The weak interior D is the norm lately though. Even though the Spurs are winning games, they have to get better on D. And that's why I think Pop likes losses like this.

I think he'd rather lose some games so that the players don't lull themselves into thinking they are doing fine just because they are winning.

A couple weeks ago people here kept saying stuff like "defense isn't that important anymore", "this Spurs team can outscore people and doesn't need to be that good on D". That's a bunch of BS. I'm not saying that this team is going to hold teams to around 40%, but they aren't going to go anywhere in the postseason allowing 45-48% per game.

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

They are playing 82 for 30 years or so in NBA, so this is no news to none players.

I was being a little sarcastic saying about Jordan and the games. But okay. Where was Olajuwon when he was 30?

(championships championships)

Was Olajuwon a post player?

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If I've bolded some in my previous post, there is a reason. :)
It's not a rule.
I just say that I can understand that a player with 3 rings, a lot of minutes played in nba and who needs to be aggresive to be effective isn't fully motivated and hungry in a december regular season game.
Don't get me wrong, I rather have an hungry Duncan than a Duncan in cruse control mode but it's not the case.

Interior D is missing shot-blockers this year. This is the first season in many years the Spurs aren't even on the radar screen of the blocks rankings. It's not a coincidence the Spurs are giving up .445+ Opp. FG%.

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Originally Posted by polandprzem

Was Jordan playing lazy when he was 30?


And if those december games are not important, why are they playing them then?

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duncan knows is not the only one anymore who can take care of the score Tony, Manu). so, maybe unconsciously, when he doesn't feel good, he's not insisting like he was before.

Jordan was a beast and was taking every game as a challenge : to play a supposed great opponent, to break a new record, to improve a new aspect of his game. that was his way to find the motivation.

Tim is not that kind of beast. He's just kind of partially hibernating and will totally wake up, playoffs time approaching.

i would have liked to see Butler active last night, if for nothing else to see how he does against Yao in spots. Same for Eric Williams too, to see if he could at least hold his ground against bonzi in spots.

I didn't see the game but it kind of reminds me of a few weeks ago when the Mavs came to town. The Spurs came out flat with no energy or interest. Strange how you have no interest playing the top teams in your division.

thank you for your point of view Bruno. It's december and the season is not over. I still believe in the team GO SPURS GO!!!

End the Oberto experiment, play Butler.

End the Bonner experiment, play Williams.

Williams plays defense, Bonner doesn't.


I understand that Butler is under the Jackson treatment, but, its time to do the Stephen Jackson switch.

Switch out Oberto, for Butler.

You cannot tell me, Butler couldn't do what Oberto is doing, standing like a moron, and playing mediocre D.

But, if he plays, he gets experience, and I still stand by practice bein a horrible horrible developer of young players.

White is one thing, Butler played well and stepped up and well produced for a bad team, in bad conditions, under wich, other players QUIT.

So put the kid in, if we fail, we fail developing players that can take over and improve the situation possibly.

What the hell do we have to lose? THe spurs are not winning a championship with Oberto and JUST Elson.

That simple.

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Originally Posted by THE SIXTH MAN

WTF, better defensively? Hows that when they've lost their last couple of games after blowing big leads in the fourth.

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Choking late in quarters is a sign of something else other than bad defense, I think Houston's defense is really good--the choking can be attributed to morale or whatever label you attatch to it.

I would be happier with the spurs at this point if they have locked down an opponent for 3 straight quarters, blown a lead, rather than they outshooting an opponent then blowing a lead

I also think it is flat out ridiculous that some people are still trying to pull the "its not april" bull crap....this team needs to make a move, and elson needs to overcome that nazr learning curve to get better defensively.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If it wasn't for a fluke comeback, the Spurs would have gotten blown out by the Rockets twice this season.

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it was a good wake up call last night
hopefully pop will try to find a solution incase spurs face rockets in playoffs
houston is the only team in the west that scares me

this team is making a move and has one of the best record in the nba

If Houston doesn't get McGrady back I don't fear them one bit. Should the Spurs lose to a Rocket team with a gimpy Tmac then thats their own choke job. Houston as it stands cannot beat Dallas or Phoenix unless Tmac plays like an all star again. I don't care if their defense is the best defense of all time -- they won't win if their sole offense is Yao Ming and Bonzi Wells 1 out of every 5 games. The team the Spurs played last night shouldn't be able to win more than 1 game in a playoff series. If they do then its because the Spurs suck, not because the Rockets are an elite team. The Rockets are elite when they get Tmac playing at at least a borderline all star level.

Last night was a fluke if you ask me. Getting blown out at home by an offensively challenged team? Wasn't a fluke that Houston won the game, but it was HOW they won. They seemed like they could score whenever they needed, even with Yao on the bench.

I have to see a lot more of the Spurs against the elite teams. Its too soon in the season to make any conclusions. The defense does look weaker, but the offense does look better. They need to do better on both ends to be a championship calibur team. Its certainly possible that they could improve on both ends.