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What would they have to change for you to accept them as Christians?Quote:
Originally Posted by smeagol
That certainly seems like a cop out to me considering that the orthodox seem to have pretty clear requirements for getting into heaven.Quote:
Only God knows who goes to Hell.
Man this guy cracks me up.
Anti-Christian Bigots
Jan. 11, 2005
Ok, I have seriously had ENOUGH of this fucking bullshit from you mother fucking hypocrites! I can't go anywhere online anymore without having to deal with crap about my religious beliefs. What the FUCK ever happened to the First Amendment? Huh! You assholes seem to think it's there to protect YOU and only YOU! Well go fuck yourselves, it's NOT! Guess what, it's there to protect everyone from religious persecution - EVERY-FUCKING-ONE!
Religious persecution? What am I talking about? I'm talking about how every smart-ass Atheist, Agnostic, or Pagan online thinks it's their fucking mission in life to insult, belittle, and degrade the Christian religion. You don't believe in a damn thing? Fine! Fuck you and have at it! Do you think any of us give a rat's ass what you do or don't believe in? What, you think it BOTHERS us that you don't believe in God? I could really fucking care less! You don't have faith in anything beyond what your senses tell you, that's YOUR problem, not mine! Keep it to yourself, fucktard!
You assholes run around whining about "The Christians do this, the Christians do that, the Christians, the Christians, the Christians, it's all their fault, I hate the Christians, blah blah blah blah blah!" Newsflash: Every bad thing in the fucking world is NOT our fault!
Yes, Christians started wars in Christ's name - like 500 fucking years ago, idiot! Isn't it about time you got over that? We're not running around killing "non-believers" anymore, so why are you still bitching about something that happened back then? You know what? I don't fucking care! That's right, I don't give a rat's ass if my great-great (x10) Grandfather was the fucking pope and had your great-great (x10) Grandfather thrown to the fucking Lions. I really don't give a fuck - now shut up about it, you dull-witted cunt!
Yes, a lot of Christians do have a really bad habit of shoving their beliefs down other people's throats and looking down on those who don't accept Christ. So, what, you figured you'd fight fire with fire? Did you think it would somehow make you feel better to do EXACTLY THE SAME FUCKING THING to Christians? Well I hope it helped boost your pathetic little ego, cuz it's over now. It's bigotry, it's religious intolerance and "The Christians started it" is NOT A FUCKING EXCUSE for you to do it! Galen ain't havin' this shit ANYMORE you cocksucking fucks!
Here's how it's gonna work. From now on, you insult my religion in even the smallest way, I'm going to magically transform into the most intolerant fucking asshole you've ever met and make it my goal for the next few minutes afterward to put down everything you hold dear. Yeah, the Christians started it, then you picked it up and turned it into your own personal Anti-Jesus pissing match, now I'm jumping in the game. That's right asshole, Lord Galen is sinking right the fuck down to your level and you're gonna wish like hell you'd never pulled me down there!
Now, here's a tiny preview. Don't bother responding, your opinion doesn't matter, dickhead.
Atheists: Shut your fucking pie-holes. Just because you don't have the mental capacity to reach beyond what your five senses tell you, that is not our problem. Pick up a 3rd grade science book asshole and you might discover that the universe if FILLED with shit that we can't explain or even prove. But I guess that doesn't mean a damn thing to you, right? And here's a lesson in what that word "Atheism" means - it means a lack of ANY religious belief whatsoever. It does NOT mean "anti-religion" it means NO fucking religion whatsoever! By being an anti-Christian prick, you've just picked a side and by the very definition of the word, Atheists aren't supposed to even believe in there BEING a side to pick!
Pagans: Y'know, I share a whole lot of Pagan beliefs myself, so I really hate to say this, but I'm sick of you assholes too! You sit around believing in 50 different fucking gods and goddesses and then call us a "baby religion" because we fucking picked ONE and stuck with it??? Bite me hard, shitsacks!
Jews: What's the fucking deal with you? People insult us and you just sit back and don't say a DAMN word about it! Hey, genius, we believe in the SAME God! There picking on your Jehovah too, dipshit! The least you could fucking do is stick up for us instead of sitting back on your hands while the religion that's closest to your own gets sniped by assholes! I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I've always felt a kinship with the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew, his Apostles and Disciples were all Jews, the first Christian church was founded by JEWS! So, sorry if I feel like maybe the Jewish community should be doing a little more than...um, nothing.
If you leave this rant feeling like I'm an intolerant bastard, GOOD! That's how you're supposed to feel! That's pretty much how I feel about each and every one of you right now, so I hope it feels nice getting a taste of your own fucking medicine you assholes!
For the record, no, I don't have anything against anyone for believing differently than I do. I respect it and even encourage it. Variety is the spice of life and all that. I'm not intolerant or bigoted about people and their beliefs, but I can damn sure ACT like I am and from now on I intend to make it a point to do exactly that! I'm sick and damn tired of putting up with you anti-Christian assholes and your fucking BIGOTRY against my people! You take any opportunity you can to make some snide little remark about us or to belittle us in some way. Oh sure, most of you won't come right out and insult us because you're fucking pussies; you'd rather hide behind your sublty-worded inuendos and subliminal mind-fuck retard games. Enough of it. I ain't havin' this shit anymore and any of you who think you've got the fucking balls to go a round or two with me, you just bring it on!
Actually, don't. It would be a whole lot better (for you) if you just shut your fucking mouth and take this as a learning experience. Hopefully you got the message:
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSULT, BELITTLE, OR DEGARDE MY BELIEFS - NO MATTER WHAT!
This is the last time I'm speaking about this. The next thing you hear on this subject from me is going to be me insulting everything you hold dear - just like you assholes constantly do to my people! This IS it! You're not better or smarter or more "open minded" than Christians. You're not entitled to look down your noses at us just because you think we do it to you. Two rights don't make a wrong.
There are plenty of problems with mainstream Conservative Christians. You wanna talk about those problems, fine. You wanna insult ALL of us because you hate the bigoted among us, that's not fine and that makes you just as bad as the people you claim to hate so much.
It may seem like a cop-out, but it's a Scriptural cop-out.Quote:
That certainly seems like a cop out to me considering that the orthodox seem to have pretty clear requirements for getting into heaven.
Frankly, too many Christians obsess over who is going to hell and who is not. It's not our place to decide. All we can do is follow Scripture as closely as possible and encourage others to do the same. Those who presume to know who is saved and who is damned are also in violation of Scripture.
Then people who profess to being saved themselves are in violation of scripture?
You're right, I should have just said damned. I believe the Scripture does lay out specific guidelines for salvation. That said, I do not believe it necessarily limits salvation to those guidelines.
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Wow, you sure have found a lot to talk about in this thread that has nothing to it.
Lemonade.
What is it that allows for your unbelief that salvation is attained by some means other than how the Scriptures states that it's obtained? Specifics would be great...or is it just a hunch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
I think the Bible's crystal clear regarding salvation. Hell is for those that choose to reject Jesus Christ, God's sacrificial Lamb, as being the Messiah who was sent to take away the sins of the World.
Not all Jews reject this message, but for those (doesn't have to be a Jew)
that do? Well, tragically, sadly, Hell awaits. I'd be quite interested if there is informaton out there that contradicts this. Let me know.
It's a copout and dangerous for people to water down the Gospel in an attempt to make Heaven all inclusive or more inclusive than what the Scripture allows.
It is what it is, and all are free to accept or reject it...as it is.
-Amen-
There's nothing watered down about it. If you truly want Salvation, you're going to do your best to follow the Scripture. You're not going to try to half-ass it.
That said, God is all powerful. He can save whoever He wants, and it's not on US to predict who is going to hell.
"Judge not."
We're not judging - we're simply following what God said in the bible. He is very clear on what it takes to be saved and what the consequences are for those who choose to do otherwise.
"For the wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"And it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgement." Hebrews 9:27
Does this sound as if there is any room for equivocation? There is NO way to heaven, except through Jesus Christ - so the answer to the question of who goes to hell?
Everyone who rejects Jesus - that includes people who practice other faiths such as Hindu, Buddhism and others.
[QUOTE]You stated that, "I believe the Scripture does lay out specific guidelines for salvation. That said, I do not believe it necessarily limits salvation to those guidelines".Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
I responded with, "What is it that allows for your unbelief that salvation is attained by some means other than how the Scriptures states that it's obtained"?
And your response to this is???
Okay...and is any of this supposed to be in response to something I said?Quote:
If you truly want Salvation, you're going to do your best to follow the Scripture. You're not going to try to half-ass it.
That said, God is all powerful. He can save whoever He wants, and it's not on US to predict who is going to hell."Judge not."
If so, and I know it's difficult for you, but in lieu of detached rambling, please provide specifics.
Thanks.
Aboandom their belief that the Book of Mormon is as important as the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It's not.Quote:
That certainly seems like a cop out to me considering that the orthodox seem to have pretty clear requirements for getting into heaven.
No human being knows who is saved and who is not saved.
Calvinism or Determinism is not what Christianity is about.
And so millions of souls are damned to burn in hell by default; simply for being born on the wrong continent or in the wrong century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Your God cares more about club membership than how people live their lives.
Weren't we talking about Mormons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Yes. Yes it was.Quote:
Okay...and is any of this supposed to be in response to something I said?
Maybe you'd care to read it again.
Joch and Crookshanks, do you believe Baptism is necessary for Salvation?
No I don't. I believe that just accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour is what saves you. I believe that baptism is an outward sign of your salvation and is done as a sign of obedience. That's why I also believe that infant baptism does nothing more than get the baby's head wet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
As does obedience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
But Acts 2:38 seems to state that being Baptized in the name of Christ cleanses you of sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Before we get really off course, let me say I agree with you here. But this is an example of the kinds of conflicts that arise when Christians presume to know who is going to hell. The church I grew up in believed Baptism was essential for entrance into Heaven. They believed members of churches who did not get baptized, or sprinkled water, were not true Christians. They used the letters of Paul as guidance for how worship was to be performed... No woman leaders, no instrumental music...
What does this have to do with the Scriptures you quoted? Well, you are defining "through Christ" by your set of rules. The Mormons believe in Christ. They ask his forgiveness for their sins just as you do. How can you know for sure, based on Scripture, that they are condemned?
Some Christians believe Catholics are damned. Some believe Methodists and Lutherans are damned... Some Church of Christ leaders believe half of the Churches of Christ in the country have veered away from Scripture to the point that THEY are damned.
It's a cluster. All because those Christians are so obsessed with deciding who's going to hell instead of ministering to people on the glory of Heaven. Do they condemn others because they are concerned for their souls? No. They condemn them in order to congratulate themselves for being God's Chosen. And I get the feeling that, if they had a choice, they would keep the list as exclusive as possible.
Positively! ....4th Street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Including Jews?Quote:
Everyone who rejects Jesus - that includes people who practice other faiths such as Hindu, Buddhism and others.
All going to hell?
As I figured, nothing. Way to break it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
And it doesn't merit another read.
Couldn't help but notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Okay Boutons and Spurminator, here's your answer.
Since you weren't specific I'll assume you're referring to Water Baptism (and please don't ask "is there any other kind").
No. Water baptism is an important symbolic way of publicly stating that you have received salvation.
There are numerous "death bed" confessions where salvation is received before passing on and in this case water baptism isn't a possibility.