The Official Gasol Thread

ADRID (Ticker) -- There is more bad news for the Memphis Grizzlies. Spanish star Pau Gasol would rather play for a championship contender.

Gasol told the "El Tirachanas" program on Spanish television's COPE that he wanted "to be with a team competing for a ring," something that he added would be "very difficult" to do with the Grizzlies.

Gasol broke the fifth metatarsal in his left foot while playing for Spain in the semifinals of the FIBA World Championship last summer. He missed the championship game but still was named tournament MVP as Spain won the gold medal.

Without their All-Star forward, the Grizzlies are off to a 5-17 start.

Gasol is set to make his long-awaited return for the Grizzlies on Saturday when they visit the Miami Heat.

But Gasol's days in Memphis may be numbered. Speculation has swirled that the Chicago Bulls and Boston Celtics may be interested in acquiring him.

"There is some truth in it, especially with the whole situation of the change of owners (with the Grizzlies)," Gasol told COPE. "The situation has been uncomfortable, but there are not only the Bulls and Boston, there are other teams interested."

A group headed by former NBA player Christian Laettner and his former Duke University teammate Brian Davis is seeking to purchase the Grizzlies.

Translation: "The gay scene in Memphis is terrible."

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Translation: "The gay scene in Memphis is terrible."

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:lol

Don't know if this has been brought up in another thread but if you were to want him, what do you think the Spurs would have to give up in order to land him?

I'd be surprised if we could get him for anything less than Parker.

The dude thinks entirely too much of himself

This is a pretty ridiculous thread. Obviously we would have to include at least one of the big 3 & that isn't going to happen. He is the Grizzlies superstar & its going to take at least 1 big name plus picks to get Gasol. He will not be available for say EWill, Barry & Butler, thats for sure.

IF we dont land my boy c-webb, then Stackhouse,croshere,buckner,george,picks for Mike Miller/Gasol.

Imagine Harris/Jet/Howard/Dirk/Gasol :drunk :drunk :drunk

EARTH TO MARK CUBAN....TRADE FOR CHRIS WEBBER! :dramaquee

if mem is selling they might just want an expiring contracts for him
and draft picks

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

The dude thinks entirely too much of himself

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wouldn't you if you were a top tier big man who helped lead his team to a world championship

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

The dude thinks entirely too much of himself

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Exactly right. The dude thinks he's the best shit since sliced bread and has never even gotten out of the 1st round and has only made 1 all-star game, so it's not like he's been putting superstar-type numbers in all his seasons.

He got his fat contract from a rebuilding franchise though and now wants to run with it while he can.

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wouldn't you if you were a top tier big man who helped lead his team to a world championship

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"Top-tier" until last season. First time the dude's made the all-star and is already demanding a trade and trying to ruin a franchise.

And he made the world championship with a roster loaded with nba players used to playing international basketball together (yes maybe not allstar nba players, but still decent nba players), so don't give him too much credit for that.

Gasol would be an amazing pickup. A Ducan/Gasol frontcourt would be absolutely unreal. In the playoffs though would Gasol be able to guard Dirk?

You'd have to offer Parker and Ginobili for Memhpis to even pick up the phone.

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Originally Posted by ducks

if mem is selling they might just want an expiring contracts for him
and draft picks

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He's a 20/8 player with no off the court problems or anything. So why would they give him up for nothing? They'd want Parker plus some.

I would offer them anyone except for tp and duncan

If we would trade Parker then we would not have a good PG. Only if you guys think that Beno and Vaughn can replace him, and who thinks that I think he must be stupid.

Trade Manu would be just great. Michael Finley sucks, so our SG position would be the worst in the league. Then there is no replacement for Finley so he would play 48 minutes per game.

If we lose one of them and get Gasol we would be not a better team.

How many shots will TD take when Pau will be in the team? If there would be no Manu the Parker would take 20 shots per game, Gasol 18 shots per game, Finley 12 shots per game.
Tim Duncan now takes just 10 shots per game on the other side Tony shots 18 times. Even Finley shots more than Duncan.That sucks in my opinion.
I don't think that TP is our main guy in the team, so wtf is wrong with Pop.! He told TP that he needs to shot 20 shots per game. That is just stupid.
Tim is playing like a reserve in the team, taking 10 shots per game. What would happen if Duncan would take 20 shots per game like Carmelo or James. He would have 35 points per game. But no Pop thinks that TP must shot more than Duncan. :madrun

pau would make up for manu
besides paul is going to be great longer then manu
tp though would have to step up more in fourth without manu

finley was a big spark in playoffs last year

stop trying to trade our big 3!!!

Gasol - no way in hell we'd get him. Not even for Manu or Parker or both

I would not trade two of the three and the only one I would trade would be manu
because of his injuries and how many great years he has left

and didn't he miss the last few games of the world championship

So he should want to play for a shitty lottery team?

I would play for a shitty team for that money

Joining the Lakers would make him feel better...

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Originally Posted by ducks

I would play for a shitty team for that money

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Well, that settles it, then. Somebody who calls himself ducks takes nothing but money into consideration while making decisions about his own life, therefore one of the very best professional basketball players in the world should use the same calculus and, more importantly, shut the fuck up QED. Makes perfect sense.

Cleveland isn't a contender, but trading Gooden and Ilgauskas for Gasol might well make them one.

Snow-Hughes-James-Varejao-Gasol? Not bad.

Gasol is my favorite non-Spur but I doubt he goes anywhere, he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA and is a top 10 talent. Look at how bad the Grizz are without him!

I want him here no doubt but I accept that no way we'd get him without ditching Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, or Bowen.

Why would we ever trade Parker?! Ginobili would be gone before Parker, and I don't want our core to go away.

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Originally Posted by timvp

You'd have to offer Parker and Ginobili for Memhpis to even pick up the phone.

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Exactly what I was going to post.

Um, earth to those with questionable sanity:

1. why would Mem give away their franchise big?

2. why would we gut our team? (balance is important, as we all learned last year)

3. it's the era of small ball again! Why would we want Twin Towers? We did that at the right time and owned the league, we do it now, and trade our all-star guards to get it done, and we'd be a bubble team at best!

:wtf

some crutches so his broke ass could half ass walk to san antonio

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

3. it's the era of small ball again! Why would we want Twin Towers? We did that at the right time and owned the league, we do it now, and trade our all-star guards to get it done, and we'd be a bubble team at best!

:wtf

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I think this is the crux of the argument here. Even if the Spurs decided to offload Manu and Parker to get Gasol, it wouldn't make sense as the dynamics of the NBA have changed to favor perimeter players. Dominating post players are less important in this day and age. And Gasol is a damn good player, but not the type of player who alters the landscape of a basketball game just by being out on the court.

Gasol is KG, minus the tan. They tease, they tantalize, they put up nice numbers, but when you need a franchise player to step up, they fade. I wouldn't trade ANY of our bit three for Gasol, and would have a hard time with key role players.

No thanks :td Gasol is all hype and no substance (at least when the chips are down).

Gasol is good. Similiar type of player to a young Duncan, minus the defense. Similiar type of player offensively in terms of production.

mem would have to trade him if he demanded to move

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

No thanks :td Gasol is all hype and no substance (at least when the chips are down).

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that would be fine because spurs would have td and tp and horry and finley

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Originally Posted by Nikos

Gasol is good. Similiar type of player to a young Duncan, minus the defense. Similiar type of player offensively in terms of production.

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...except during crunch time.

It's not so much that they haven't advanced past the first round. It's the fact that they've gotten the broom up the ass for three years running. How can you not even take a game in three years of first round series? That's fucking pathetic.

I am not one to propose ridiculous one sided trades but this snipit caught my eye. David DuPree has never come across to me as a 'Vescey' type source. Let's assume he's correct what in the hell would we have to offer the Griz?



Long Beach, CA: Hello Mr. Dupree. What's your take on the sudden Kobe Bryant one game suspension for the alleged intentional elbow on Manu Ginobili. Which team do you think will acquire Pau Gasol and Eddie Jones before the February deadline. Thanks! Chris

David DuPree: It looks like Eddie Jones is already gone to the Heat, but Pau Gasol is a different matter. He is a real difference maker and will command a lot. Chicago and San Antonio appear to be the hottest after Gasol, but he could end up darn near anywhere because of his age, overall ability and size.

Hmmmmmmmm, That's A Dream. But I Don't Think Will Ever Happen.

But On A Positive Note: I Love That First Comment You Got On Your Sig! What Interview Did That Come From???

Outside of giving up one of the big 3, or 1st round draft picks for the next 3 years, nothing

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Originally Posted by SKINNYPIMP210

Hmmmmmmmm, That's A Dream. But I Don't Think Will Ever Happen.

But On A Positive Note: I Love That First Comment You Got On Your Sig! What Interview Did That Come From???

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I believe it was in a Sacramento Bee article. I remember reading it and thought man that would be a bad ass sig..

How can San Antonio be hot after him? With what?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I believe it was in a Sacramento Bee article. I remember reading it and thought man that would be a bad ass sig..

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THANKS.

IN THE WORDS OF BORAT: "VERY NICE!"

I would trade any combination of anyone not named Duncan and either Manu or Parker.

The chance to get a world class big man to recreate the towers does not come around often.

Just an information to start some crazy speculation : West and Paxson were in France today to watch the game between Kaunas and Pau and we all know who play at Pau. ;)

I am sure the Spurs are interested in Gasol but they will not get him without giving up at least Manu, which won't happen... I wonder where these rumors come form...

This is one of those trades where there is no way Memphis is going to get anything close to equal value.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Just an information to start some crazy speculation : West and Paxson were in France today to watch the game between Kaunas and Pau and we all know who play at Pau. ;)

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Interesting... maybe the Spurs are in talks with Memphis about other players!? I can't imagine that they really consider trading Gasol to SA...

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

This is one of those trades where there is no way Memphis is going to get anything close to equal value.

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yea he is demanding a trade and wants out. This reminds me a lot of the shaq deal. They will get on decent player and some scrubs. Maybe a pick.

I think one thing that will burden Gasol in terms of dealing him to a contender for something close to equal value is the fact that he's shown himself to be a rather soft player in the playoffs.

Memphis may have figured out that it's not going to win with Gasol. Given that he's got a huge contract (they're on the hook for $86M through 2011) and they're in the midst of clearing the decks with the ownership situation in flux, they might actually be willing to just create cap space and acquire picks and prospects in the hope that they can surround whomever they get early in the 2007 draft with some players to make them competitive as they rebuild.

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Originally Posted by Streakyshooter08

Interesting... maybe the Spurs are in talks with Memphis about other players!? I can't imagine that they really consider trading Gasol to SA...

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I was just teasing people. :)
More likely it has nothing to do with a trade, there are a lot of interesting players to see in this game. There are some really good prospects in Pau (Ajinca and Vaty) and in Kaunas (Maciulis and Kalnietis). There are too older players wiht a nba level like Aaron Miles.

I don't see it happening. He makes too much damn money. I could be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Given that he's got a huge contract (they're on the hook for $86M through 2011)...

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Yeah, with that contract I'm sure the Spurs are really serious about trade talks...

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Yeah, with that contract I'm sure the Spurs are really serious about trade talks...

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I'd generally agree with you. But if the Spurs figure that Gasol is about as well as they'd do on the free agency market in 2008, they might be willing to do away with the 2008 plan, particularly if they can rid themselves of some bad contracts in the short term.

With that said, I don't think that is the case and I can't imagine that the Spurs are serious contenders for Gasol at this point.

Gasol/Duncan would be pretty sick, but it'd take Parker and the Grizz might require that whatever team asks for him takes back a fat contract (Cardinal or Stoudamire)....something like this:

Parker + Williams for Gasol + Stoudamire...if that works

Does anyone know how much Stoudamire makes per year?

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I'd generally agree with you. But if the Spurs figure that Gasol is about as well as they'd do on the free agency market in 2008, they might be willing to do away with the 2008 plan, particularly if they can rid themselves of some bad contracts in the short term.

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That assumes that the Spurs are planning on doing anything significant in the 2008 free agency market. The 2008 "plan" more likely is "get payroll as low as possible so Holt & Co. get the maximum sale price."

It's also conceivable to me that the Spurs are being mentioned in the rumor, but are in the potential deal as a third team -- that might allow, for instance, the Spurs to deal a package "assets" like Scola, Beno, Williams and draft picks to a couple of teams and to get back something of use that wouldn't otherwise be available.

Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

That assumes that the Spurs are planning on doing anything significant in the 2008 free agency market. The 2008 "plan" more likely is "get payroll as low as possible so Holt & Co. get the maximum sale price."

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Oh, I know.

Stoudemire makes about $4.2 mil/year for 3 more years

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Originally Posted by Big Pimp_21

Stoudemire makes about $4.2 mil/year for 3 more years

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Thanks for the update! It's not as much as I thought he made, but that's still alot of cheese for a 33yr old who's consistently injured and severly declining in production.

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Originally Posted by Dirties Robbed Me

This 2008 idea we keep talking about will amount to nothing. The Spurs have never been able to land a big name free agent.

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Dirties,

Since when does a $120 million profit for my share of the team "amount to nothing?"

You're my backhoe forever,
Peter Holt

I was thinking Manu and Williams for Gasol would come close, salary wise. I would rather ship off Manu than Tony...Tony is only 24 and still has a ton of upside.

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Originally Posted by Big Pimp_21

I was thinking Manu and Williams for Gasol would come close, salary wise. I would rather ship off Manu than Tony...Tony is only 24 and still has a ton of upside.

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OH GOD! PREPARE FOR THE ONSLAUGHT! :corn:

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

OH GOD! PREPARE FOR THE ONSLAUGHT! :corn:

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The thought does make sense, but trading Manu would hurt at the wing position badly.

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Originally Posted by sprrs

The thought does make sense, but trading Manu would hurt at the wing position badly.

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Yeah, but having two all-stars that can put up 20/10 every night would make up for the lack of wing support.

I wouldn't pull the trigger on that trade if I was RC, but the salaries match and IF we had to choose between keeping EITHER Manu OR Tony, I would keep Tony.

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Originally Posted by sprrs

The thought does make sense, but trading Manu would hurt at the wing position badly.

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Don't get me wrong....Manu is a great player that can flat out take over a game if he has to, but with Pau and Duncan together...damn that'd be....well like the Duncan/O'Neal combo the Spurs dreamed about a couple summers ago.

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Originally Posted by Big Pimp_21

I wouldn't pull the trigger on that trade if I was RC, but the salaries match and IF we had to choose between keeping EITHER Manu OR Tony, I would keep Tony.

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Whew, man you're gonna get it. Don't say I didn't warn you....

Just so you're aware, we are in agreement on this issue....

dream on forum.

Trade him for Manu.

yeah,trade manu to the grizzlies and them shoot your balls when manu beates the spurs in the playoffs :dizzy :bang

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Originally Posted by Dirties Robbed Me

This 2008 idea we keep talking about will amount to nothing. The Spurs have never been able to land a big name free agent.

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well in fairness to the spurs they have never really had to land a big name free agent. With the lottery luck and all they have always receieved their franchise player in the draft.

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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan

yeah,trade manu to the grizzlies and them shoot your balls when manu beates the spurs in the playoffs :dizzy :bang

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it could happen but I don't think it would. But still I think trading manu at this point would not be a good idea.

Manu is our only "all-star calibur" wing player, which every successful team needs. Now, if they could get him for Gasol, and then go out and get a similiar type player, that'd be fine, even if Ginobili is second favorite player after Tim.

Quality wing players are a lot more common than quality big men.

I dont understand wher these threads come from, if we couldnt get Maggette, what are our chances of getting an all-star?

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Originally Posted by mardigan

I dont understand wher these threads come from, if we couldnt get Maggette, what are our chances of getting an all-star?

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Cause there was no way we give up one of the big 3 for Maggette. That would not have been worth it by any standards.

However, if we are talking moving Gasol for Manu, that would be a different story. We would however have to involve a third team say Golden State. I proposed the trade in another thread and the numbers work. Manu to Golden State, Jason Richardson to Memphis, Gasol to SA with other players and maybe pick here and there.

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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan

yeah,trade manu to the grizzlies and them shoot your balls when manu beates the spurs in the playoffs :dizzy :bang

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See I told you, Args is the first of many....

$86 million? When I get Fancy Feast for dinner.

Um, why the fuck would the Spurs want Pau Gasol? Was Brad Miller unavailable?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Um, why the fuck would the Spurs want Pau Gasol? Was Brad Miller unavailable?

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I agree with that. I can't imagine that the Spurs would really be willing to give up any of the Big 3 or to take on a monsterous salary for a guy like Gasol, who might create more problems than he would solve while bringing the sort of Stay-Puft softness that the Spurs have tried to avoid for so many years. For $86M, you get a lot of nice regular season numbers followed by a playoff MIA.

W3rd. Soft, thy name is Pau.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Just an information to start some crazy speculation : West and Paxson were in France today to watch the game between Kaunas and Pau and we all know who play at Pau. ;)

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http://www3.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/1/

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San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Brent Barry
6-6 SG from Oregon State
8.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 21.0 minutes

Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.4 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.3 minutes

Fabricio Oberto
6-10 C from Argentina (Foreign)
5.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 19.2 minutes

+Ian Mahinmi

Incoming

Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
20.2 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 33.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.1 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

Memphis Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
20.2 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 33.0 minutes

Incoming

Brent Barry
6-6 SG from Oregon State
8.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 21.0 minutes

Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.4 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.3 minutes

Fabricio Oberto
6-10 C from Argentina (Foreign)
5.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 19.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -4.1 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

+Ian Mahinmi


Successful Scenario
Due to San Antonio and Memphis being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio and Memphis had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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Crazy, but if the Grizz were really looking to dump Gasol, if the Spurs were really willing to take on a huge commitment like Gasol's contract and if the Grizz thought that highly of Mahinmi it could work.

If we offerred to throw in all our picks and draftees, they might hang up the phone before they laugh.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If we offerred to throw in all our picks and draftees, they might hang up the phone before they laugh.

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Eighty-six million dollars? Now that's a contract.

If that was the trade offered to the Spurs, what Bryant just said, Id do it so fast their heads would spin.

I thought Gasol in the playoffs against the Spurs, played pretty friggen good.

He rebounds well, can block shots and has a nice back tot he basket game, but also can shoot the jumper.


More than likely though, this is all poppycock though.

<What could SA do to get Gasol?>

NOTHING - THEY DON'T NEED HIM SINCE HE PLAYS THE SAME POSITION AS TIMMY and IS ALSO SOFT; see KG is a different story... :lol :lol :lol

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Eighty-six million dollars? Now that's a contract.

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Pau Gasol? Now that's a 26yr old perennial all-star with 20/10 capability....

I'd say that's worth $86M dollars, wouldn't you?

I can't believe all the haters on this forum. Though Pau is not a leader, he can flat-out dominate on offense.

The Grizzlies won't "dump" him for anything less than high draft picks/top-level prospects

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Originally Posted by Manu_The _Best

<What could SA do to get Gasol?>

NOTHING - THEY DON'T NEED HIM SINCE HE PLAYS THE SAME POSITION AS TIMMY and IS ALSO SOFT; see KG is a different story... :lol :lol :lol

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I'd give the house to bring KG to SA.

KG = Gasol is a good one, though. It's nice to see humor finding its way back into the forum after so many weeks of such somber posting.

If the Spurs were to get Gasol, he would want the pink back in the logo.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

W3rd. Soft, thy name is Pau.

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34pts, 8rebs, 8blks in his last game....yeah you're right, he couldn't be dominant...

Averaging 20pts, 8rebs, and over 2blks per game...sounds like a real "softie" to me.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

34pts, 8rebs, 8blks in his last game....yeah you're right, he couldn't be dominant...

Averaging 20pts, 8rebs, and over 2blks per game...sounds like a real "softie" to me.

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Have you seen Gasol play?

He's got skills, but no, he is not tough.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

34pts, 8rebs, 8blks in his last game....yeah you're right, he couldn't be dominant...

Averaging 20pts, 8rebs, and over 2blks per game...sounds like a real "softie" to me.

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Um, see my first post in this thread. He had your "dominant" performance at home against BRAD MILLER. Doesn't exactly make your case for you. You obviously haven't watched him play if you are reciting stats to refute a "soft" label.

I wonder if Gasol could end up in Utah...

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Have you seen Gasol play?

He's got skills, but no, he is not tough.

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Yes, I've seen Gasol play and I know he prefers the mid-range shot and fadaways, but I don't see how his lack of "toughness" translates into lack of production.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed View

Um, see my first post in this thread. He had your "dominant" performance at home against BRAD MILLER. Doesn't exactly make your case for you. You obviously haven't watched him play if you are reciting stats to refute a "soft" label.

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I see you focused on the single-game effort and not on the year average statistics to prove your point....he's 8th on the blocks leader list (two behind Duncan).


Bottom Line: When a guy has the potential to put up 30/15/5/5 on a given night, I could care less what his "label" is....just put him on my team.

In regards to Gasol disappearing in the play offs, he has had to be the main big in the past. Pressure on him would be less with Duncan who is quite comfortable stepping up in the playoffs. Gasol might well shake that monkey off his back with Duncan by his side. It's fun to dream but I would be shocked, shocked I say if Gasol ended up wearing the silver and black.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Just an information to start some crazy speculation : West and Paxson were in France today to watch the game between Kaunas and Pau and we all know who play at Pau. ;)

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I watched the game and must say I liked the way Mahinmi played.

Very agressive both sides of the court, very mobile, grabbing rebounds, dunking the ball, setting good screens...He also seems to have bulked up and start to look good.
He still have foul trouble issues but that's something he will fix with more PT and experience. I've seen him play a few times this year and that's the first time he looked that active to me.

I don't know if he'll be ready next year, maybe/probably one more year with a bit more PT in Europe would be fine, but for those who can't see him play, you can have good hopes on the kid.