Granted, he stayed with him better than Rasho or Nazr could ever dream to, but that's about it. McGrady toyed with him on the perimeter.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Granted, he stayed with him better than Rasho or Nazr could ever dream to, but that's about it. McGrady toyed with him on the perimeter.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
:lol
TIMVP just cant bring himself to come over to the darkside.
Compared to who? Finley? Barry? Anyone else we have tried to guard him with the last 3 years?
I've given him props in this thread. I'm not going to name him a McGrady stopper, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I'm not saying he's a McGrady stopper either, nor am I saying we should put Elson out there and lock him on TMac...but it's relative to what anyone else does on him. If have to pick I saw enough tonight to want Elson on him in a pinch over anyone else outside of Bowen or perhaps Manu.
The one thing I have been consistenlty impressed with about Elson is how fast he is...even when he gets beat on the perimter he still closes to the basket almost instantly and makes the shot an uncomfortable one...Elson is definitely the X factor on this years team.
7 feet extemely fast athletic and coordinated...Elson was a steal.
Put a gun to my head, I'd guard McGrady with the players in this order:Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Bowen
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Ginobili
Finley
Vaughn
Elson
Parker
Horry
Bonner
Oberto
Duncan
Butler
Beno
Coach Bud
The Coyote
Barry
:hat
Nahh...I'd take ol' 2! over Beno. :lol
Agreed. That's the one thing we knew he could bring to the table. As of late, he's done a better job of making his speed more useful to the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I want him to show up more than once every other week, though. Between this game and the Detroit game, he hadn't done much of anything. He shows flashes of potential, but he's far from a savior at this point. I'm still not convinced that when the chips are down, Pop trusts Elson more than he trusts small ball.
:blah at the coyote better defender than barry..
And that's what is scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Say no to small ball.
Elson has also picked up a ton of fouls early. He's very prone to get into early foul trouble which fucks up his playing stats. Too be fair - I'm not sure any other Spur has gotten the shaft as much as Elson from the in the 1st quarter. He's gotten in foul trouble with some HORRIBLE calls.
For the month of February, Elson averaged five points and four rebounds if you take out his Detroit explosion. Just about any human on earth who is seven-feet tall would put up comparable numbers next to the other four starters the Spurs have.
I don't think it's asking too much for more consistent play out of Elson ... especially considering that he's a McGrady stopping steal.
:smokin
5 and 4? That's damn near Mohammovich-esque. :clap for Elson :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Mohammovich. :lmao
13 and 8.
Respect :smokin
True enough, but how many numbers are available with Tim working the boards and the Big Three handling the scoring? If there are twelve rebounds available when Tim and Elson are playing together, who is supposed to grab them? Should they each have six during that time? Is Elson not performing well if Tim happens to grab them, or is Elson boxing out well?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I'm not saying I know the answers to these questions, but I don't think it's fair to use the usual numbers when evaluating role players. Their minutes fluctuate and their role changes from game to game.
Elson usually loses his rebounds to his opponents, not Tim. He's so thin that pretty much anyone boxes him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SRJ
By the way, his 5/4 February was an improvement from a 3/4 January. :(
Post All-Star break, he's averaging slightly more minutes than before, but his FG% is down 9% and his rebounding is down from 5.2 boards to 3.8.
That all being said, he is rotating better.
defense first, rebounding second.
He should be able to rotate and to grab more than 3.8 rebounds per game.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
It's good to see TimVP doesn't let winning interfere with his nice relaxing glass of haterade.
So you are excited about Elson's FG% dropping off by 9% and his rebounding being under 4 since the All-Star break (despite his minutes being up)?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Both timvp and I said that his defense is getting better but it doesn't mean that he's awesome. He's still pretty mediocre.
Mediocre compared to who? Drob?
He doesn't bobble passes, he goes up for dunks, no stupid pump fakes, he alters shots, occasionally he has nice rebounding or game where he gets a lot of dunks, he finishes the break, tonight he got to the ft line...his j is just good enough to where you have to respect it, he's got just enough of a post game to be a threat there...
Honestly the Spurs don't ask for much from the C, and Elson gives them what they ask better than anyone since Drob, and he throws in a few extras.
Rasho had the talent to be the best...but he just floated too much. Elson seems to show up for the big games and coast during the meaningless ones...
He's about the same thing as Nazr and Rasho - a 5/5 player. Everyone thought they sucked, so what's different about Elson?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I'll give it to him that he's fast. And that he's tall.
But he's a mediocre player at this point.
He dunks more than Rasho, get to the FT line more than Rasho, hits FT better too, pumpfakes less than Nazr, got a better j than Nazr. and he's got better hands than Nazr. He runs the floor better than either of them...
Keep in mind...it's tough to get Wilt Chamberlain for 2 mil per year.
And with all that, he's averaging 3.8 rebounds since the AllStar break :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
:)
At some point, I'd like to see actual numbers result from how much "better" he is than Rasho/Nazr.
I want him to average 8/7 in 20-25 mpg, while playing "decent" defense.