1. Abdul-Jabbar
2. Chamberlain
3. Russell
4. O'Neal
5. Olajuwon
6. Malone
7. Walton
8. Robinson
9. Mikan
10. Ewing
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...reatestCenters
Printable View
1. Abdul-Jabbar
2. Chamberlain
3. Russell
4. O'Neal
5. Olajuwon
6. Malone
7. Walton
8. Robinson
9. Mikan
10. Ewing
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...reatestCenters
Glad Dave made it into the top ten. Hard to argue with the placement. I think Shaq is too high on the list, though.
Walton > Drob?
I never saw big bill play, so I'm at a biased disadvantage, but when I think of "great" centers, Walton just doesnt come to mind. Drob was a freak of nature and his stats are better than Walton's. I just dont get it
It should really beQuote:
Originally Posted by GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
1. Abdul-Jabbar
2. Chamberlain
3. Russell
5. Olajuwon
8. Robinson
4. O'Neal
6. Malone
7. Walton
9. Mikan
10. Ewing
I know the numbers are out of order, and I do wonder about Olaj and DRob, I think they should be tie'd but who knows. No way is O'Neal better than Robinson or Olaj, they're both a LOT more atheltic than the fat fuck.
Normally I'd be pissed at DRob's placement...
However, the bigger deal on this list is Wilt Chamberlain not being ranked #1.
These idiots are obviously placing Kareem's talent to play with Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson over Wilt's ability to put up 50 and 35 per game.
RE: Walton
Bill Walton made the playoffs exactly 4 times in his entire career, the last 2 of which he was coming off the bench for the Celtics...aint no fucking way he was better than David Robinson, on his best day.
True, he did win that one title the year he had multiple All Stars on his team...
You know it was Hollinger and his stupid-ass calculator that gave Dwight Howard a top-10 vote.
I figured it was jeffdrums22Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Good to see ESPN has come around. When Patrick Ewing retired, they listed the top 10 centers of all time and David Robinson was not among them. (Ewing was #10)
This is actually pretty close, surprisingly. But what in fuck's name is Walton doing there? I'm sure he would have legitimately made the list if his feet weren't made out of eggshell, but this is too much credit for a short career.
1. Chamberlain
2. Abdul-Jabbar
3. Olajuwon
4. O'Neal
5. Robinson
6. M. Malone
7. Russell
8. Cowens
9. Ewing
10. Gilmore
This list is a pile of shit......
Where the hell is Jack Sikma or Manute Bol?
:donkey :donkey
I'd put Chamberlain #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
I'd put Robinson ahead of Moses & Walton. Walton was damn good but was always hurt. I have no clue about Mikan other than what I've heard & read about him.
so there's nobody who thinks olajuwon was the best?
Olajuwon wasn't better than Wilt. And Kareem's numbers and rings are too strong to be any lower than #2. I'd say Hakeem is deserving of #3.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
The smarter they get the more impressive Drob's career is going to become.
The vote breakout is interesting. Half of the voters ranked Russell as #1 all time, and only 5 voted Kareem #1, but Kareem still ended with the better score.
Other interesting votes:
- John Hollinger believes Shaq is the number one center of all time.
- Jamal Mashburn ranked Robinson and Olajuwan above Shaq
the dream could not be stopped. give him a top 5.
walton on the other hand fucking rigged the list. goddamn abc-epsn sports
Teams: San Antonio Spurs (1989-2003)
Titles: 2 (1999, 2003)
Honors: 10-time NBA All-Star, MVP (1995), Rookie of the Year (1990), Defensive Player of the Year (1992)
The player: A taller, more skilled version of Russell, Robinson possessed all the gifts -- he blocked shots, rebounded, scored and defended. The Admiral brought incredible quickness to the center position and competed at a supreme level with grace.
He also won a scoring title in 1994. But perhaps his greatest accomplishment was switching from an offensive force to a defensive presence to get his two rings
I could make an argument for him to be ahead of Shaq but definitely not ahead of Russell.Quote:
Originally Posted by silk
Anyone want to take a look at Walton's numbers VS Drob's and say they'd take Walton over DRob?
This list is a joke.
My Top 10
1. Chamberlain
2. Russell
3.Abdul-Jabbar
4. Olajuwon
5. Malone
6. O'Neal
7. Robinson
8. Walton
9. Mikan
10. Ewing
Walton was great in college, injuries destroyed his career, and this list should reflect that. I can't understand how 2.5 years of dominance would rank Walton that high on the list.
Shaq is way way too high, no way is he > Olajuwon and Malone.
This list once again showed that when it comes to ranking, offense > defense, I mean, where the hell is Nate Thurmond?
LOL at Scoop Jackson. He has Hakeem as #2 and Robinson not even in his top 10.
Maybe this is blasphemy, but i think Kareem is definitely overrated. Yeah, the skyhook and shot blocking were great, but the guy was all finesse. I think if he went head-to-head against Shaq with both men in their primes, that Shaq would just abuse the hell out of him and dominate him. Same with Chamberlain, and maybe Russell.
On their best days, I'd take Walton over Robinson. Just because he had injuries doesn't mean he wasn't fucking awesome when he wasn't. If lack of injury was important then Parrish or Cookie Monster should be on the list.
Certainly you aren't surprised by that, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
If Malone (Karl, I presume) makes a list of best centers then Duncan should too, and he'd be in the top 5 at least.
D-Rob > Bill Walton.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supergirl
Moses Malone...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
On his best day he wasn't as good as Drob.
Not defensively, not offensively...not any ly period.
sorry supergirl, it was Moses MaloneQuote:
Originally Posted by Supergirl
Walton got Kerr'd on this list. Way too high for a limited time of productivity.
At his peak, Walton was the best center I've ever seen.
Gulliver was the tallest man the Lilliputians ever saw.
Yeah, just look at all the hall of famers Walton needed to help him win the '77 NBA title.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
You're about as unbiased as whottt. Stay off my side. Walton's peak was in Los Angeles.Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
the dream is 5th?
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!! ewing is 10th....... BSPN is on some bullshit
where's Rasho?
Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
pretty much on point....
Olajuwon and Robinson both had finesse games, and they both faced Shaq in their respective primes and Shaq's as well, Shaq was the one destroyed in those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
a legit argument can be made of placing Shaq higher then Hakeem. Sure he won his four titles with Kobe/Wade, but he's still one of the most dominant players in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
That probably has more to do with the types of games they have. It's a tough call, but if I were starting a franchise, I would take a young Shaq over a young Hakeem just because he was harder to match up with because of his mass and strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
I would as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by sprrs
off topic a bit...
they have the 2005 list of best power fowards and duncan was already ontop of that list.
They will make another one soon, which should have duncan on top again. It's the other two current players that are playing that I'm interested in (kg(6)/dirk(10)
top three are fine in any order
its the 4, 5, 6 slots that are interesting.
I see Hakeem at 4
Shaq at 5
Robinson at 6
no way you can have him below 6
Tim Duncan is the best Power Forward of all time and the fourth best Center of all time.
Shaq didn't hit his prime until he was with the Lakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
How did Ewing grab the 10 spot anyway? Damn sure wasn't because of rings...or dominating the others, or winning.
If the Knicks had ever had a C with actual talent...none of the guys on this list would stand a chance of being #1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
Fixed that for you...
Only the biggest spurs homer would put Robinson over Shaq. As for the all time list I can't make considering I haven't watched the games way back than. Olajuwon though is overrated as he had 2 or 3 great years and than faded while Shaq has been a constant.
Quote:
1. Chamberlain
2. Abdul-Jabbar
3. Olajuwon
4. O'Neal
5. Robinson
6. M. Malone
7. Russell
8. Cowens
9. Ewing
10. Gilmore
this is dumb. you guys are forgetting too many big names. It goes like this:
1. Ostertag
2. Smits
3. Bradley
4. Cartwright
5. Kwame Brown
6. Oliver Miller
7. Longley
8. Bateer
9.
10.
there is no 9 or 10 because these are by far and away the best.
Shaq could only go 2-1 against old Drob...with Kobe, and PJ and Horry.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Young Drob wiped his ass with Shaq.
By "way back then" you must mean pre-1994.Quote:
As for the all time list I can't make considering I haven't watched the games way back than. Olajuwon though is overrated as he had 2 or 3 great years and than faded
And Kareem didn't have Magic, Worthy, Robertson, Riley, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I'm assuming Walton is on the list due to his awesome play by play commentary abilities.
Hey, Walton was a great, great player ; if it wasn't for his injuries, he could have dominated the L for many years. When he was healthy, he gave Jabbar a really hard time
I agree w/ that, but I'll say this, if they were playing w/ Hakeem in his prime, he would roast any of the mofos on this list.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
not meQuote:
Originally Posted by mabber
Like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
The Admiral always frustrated Shaq. I remember when Shaq challened him to a boxing match.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dirk4mvp
I love his ESPN Sportsnation chats and his appearances on the morning talk shows. The guy gets in like 4 questions in a one-hour session. I remember last year around this time, he waxed poetic through a 15 minute segment of Mike & Mike about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
GOAT!
Yup. Pretty much:Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
And he only averaged 25.9 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, and 3.3 bpg in 145 career playoff games.Code:Year Ag Tm Lg G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+---------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
1985 22 HOU NBA 82 35.5 8.3 15.3 0.0 0.0 4.1 6.7 5.4 6.5 11.9 1.4 1.2 2.7 2.9 4.2 20.6
1986 23 HOU NBA 68 36.3 9.2 17.5 0.0 0.0 5.1 7.9 4.9 6.6 11.5 2.0 2.0 3.4 2.9 4.0 23.5
1987 24 HOU NBA 75 36.8 9.0 17.8 0.0 0.1 5.3 7.6 4.2 7.2 11.4 2.9 1.9 3.4 3.0 3.9 23.4
1988 25 HOU NBA 79 35.8 9.0 17.5 0.0 0.1 4.8 6.9 3.8 8.3 12.1 2.1 2.1 2.7 3.1 4.1 22.8
1989 26 HOU NBA 82 36.9 9.6 19.0 0.0 0.1 5.5 8.0 4.1 9.4 13.5 1.8 2.6 3.4 3.4 4.0 24.8
1990 27 HOU NBA 82 38.1 9.8 19.6 0.0 0.1 4.7 6.5 3.6 10.4 14.0 2.9 2.1 4.6 3.9 3.8 24.3
1991 28 HOU NBA 56 36.8 8.7 17.1 0.0 0.1 3.8 4.9 3.9 9.8 13.8 2.3 2.2 3.9 3.1 3.9 21.2
1992 29 HOU NBA 70 37.7 8.4 16.8 0.0 0.0 4.7 6.1 3.5 8.6 12.1 2.2 1.8 4.3 2.7 3.8 21.6
1993 30 HOU NBA 82 39.5 10.3 19.5 0.0 0.1 5.4 7.0 3.5 9.6 13.0 3.5 1.8 4.2 3.2 3.7 26.1
1994 31 HOU NBA 80 41.0 11.2 21.2 0.1 0.2 4.9 6.8 2.9 9.1 11.9 3.6 1.6 3.7 3.4 3.6 27.3
1995 32 HOU NBA 72 39.6 11.1 21.5 0.0 0.2 5.6 7.5 2.4 8.4 10.8 3.5 1.8 3.4 3.3 3.5 27.8
1996 33 HOU NBA 72 38.8 10.7 20.8 0.0 0.2 5.5 7.6 2.4 8.4 10.9 3.6 1.6 2.9 3.4 3.4 26.9
And he was only All-NBA First Team on 6 occasions, while making the 2nd Team 3 times and the 3rd Team 3 times. (most of which came in an era where he was competing, first, with guys like Jabbar, and later with guys like Shaq, Robinson, and Ewing). And he was only named 5 times to the First Team All-Defense selections and 4 times to the Second Team All-Defense. And he only had 12 All-Star appearances.
Other than a couple of years, though, he really wasn't very good at all.
You can't consider Hakeem overrated if you REALLY watched him play. Nice way to prove a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
93-96 is when Olajuwon made his mark. After that though he wasn't really that good. He definitely wasn't a Shaq on the offensive end that fouled everyone out. He had some solid players on that team. Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Clyde Drexler, Vernon Maxwell, and Mario Elie. Shaq had Kobe and that is about it. Medvedenko? :lmao
It's amazing how he blocked enough shots in those 3 years to become the NBA's all time leader.
Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
Ever notice how other C's are measured by what they did against Drob?
Sabonis
Hakeem
Shaq
No one ever remember DRob winning the Gold Medal against Sabonis(when half his team wasn't sick)
No one remembers Drob PWNTING Hakeem head to head at a 30-12 clip, even with Hakeem being suppported by Barkley, and Pippen and Drexler.
No one remember Shaq's o-fer against Drob his first 3 years in the league...the trip doubles and near quads he laid on Shaq's one dimensional ass.
Post your All Star Dunk....shoulda watched Shaq's first All Star Game.
There aren't that many clips of Drob because Spurs games didn't get a lot of national PT...that's why you can take everything said about him(including by broadcasters who I gurantee didn't see him play that much) with a grain of salt.
crack killsQuote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
And how about the decade before that?Quote:
93-96 is when Olajuwon made his mark. After that though he wasn't really that good.
Bill Walton never even averaged 19 points a game in any season, not even his MVP campaign in 1977-78. Until his feet were finally fixed in 1985, he never played more than 65 games in a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
In Walton's prime, his game was like Hakeem Olajuwon's in his decline.
Walton's "best days" were few and far between in the NBA, and his "great" pro career is a myth extrapolated from his achievements in college.
And the titles before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
But but...finals MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just like Chauncey Billups!
He probably doesn't think Dave was black enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Speaking of titles.............
Did you watch basketball while Shaq and Kobe were winning championships?Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Unfortunately, EVERYONE remembers Hakeem kicking the shit out of Drob in the WCF.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I'm not saying Robinson wasn't great cuz he obviously was. But there's no way you can put him over Hakeem or Shaq. In my non-Spurs fan opinion.
I loved Scoop's article where he says that the security problems during the All-Star Game in Vegas were a myth propagated by white racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronstampler
Yep. I also watched titles while Hakeem got championships. Lucky for Hakeem that the bulls didn't have Jordan or Hakeem would be ringless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Not even Al Sharpton plays the race card as much as Scoop Jackson. I was shocked that he didn't blame the white man for Tim Hardaway's homophobia. Or did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
Hmmmm....
Why is Shaq over him?
Robinson teams were 2-1 against Shaq's in the post season...including a sweep. Hakeem didn't sweep DRob, he swept Shaq.
Drob has a winning record against Shaq...
Drob owned Shaq's ass for a scoring title...
Lead the League in rebounding and blocks(which Shaq never did).
Why?
Oh because he played in LA, dunked a lot, never got called for offensive fouls, and has had an All NBA guard just about every year of his career.
Just foul Shaq.....problem solved.
I remember the days when Spurs fans had to hang their hats on the regular season. That was a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
:lmao
Do you really want to go down the path of basing an evaluation of a player on NBA Championships, Mav fan?
How about 5 selections each on the All-NBA and All-Defensive teams? How about an NBA Finals record for blocked shots in a game?
You do realize Akeem Olajuwon and Hakeem Olajuwon are the same person?
If Shaq had played when Wilt did, he would have been called for 6 offensive fouls on the first 6 possessions of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginobili_is_god
Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Do you remember Hakeem not even making the playoffs? (Hint: he had AJ as a PG)
Stick that in your regular season and smoke it.
Come to think of it...I can remember Kareem, Wilt, Ewing and Shaq not making the playoffs too...when healthy in their primes.
Yeah...regular season is over-rated.
Scoop Jackson is to Ralph Wiley as Rasho Nesterovic is to David Robinson.Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
Yeah... missing the playoffs cancels out those Finals MVP's.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Oh are you talking about the year that in the final game of the season, everyone else on the Spurs took the night off offensively so that Drob could score 71 points and beat Shaq? That scoring title?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I like this little note here about that game - In that game, Spurs coach John Lucas had his team commit fouls toward the end of the game to get Robinson more shot attempts allowing him to win the scoring title.
If it's not done within the natural flow of the game, it cheapens the game. Robinson got a cheapened scoring title that year, bottom line.
Like I already said, I'm not interested in trying to detract from how great Robinson was. I really like him alot and thought he was great. But if I'm building a team and I have my choice between Robinson or Shaq at center, I'm taking Shaq every time.
Shaq missed the playoffs once - his rookie year.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Hardly his "prime".
Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Ironically enough...it's the Houston Rockets that are listed as the NBA champions those years...not the Hakeem Olajuwon's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
My bad...he did make the playoffs all those other years...it's just that he got swept so much I forgot...
Yeah, I forgot about Wiley. But at least he was somewhat well respected. Scoop Jackson's got no credibility or respect whatsoever. He's even getting punked by Jason Whitlock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Oh yeah Shaq and a 19 year old Kobe vs Duncan and David Robinson. Sounds fair. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Can this be validated?Quote:
I like this little note here about that game - In that game, Spurs coach John Lucas had his team commit fouls toward the end of the game to get Robinson more shot attempts allowing him to win the scoring title.
Obviously no one saw it on TV, but I've only read one recap that mentions that (and I assume it's yours too because it's quoted directly).
The 1999 Lakers had 4 players who were All Stars the previous year. (No ASG in 1999)Quote:
Oh yeah Shaq and a 19 year old Kobe vs Duncan and David Robinson. Sounds fair.
Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
Pretty amazing since the Spurs only commited 17 fouls in that entire game and no player had more than 3 fouls.
Where'd you get that bullshit from? Wikipedia?
I'd like to talk to the guy who wrote it...Spursfans have been looking for a copy of that game for ever since the game wasn't on TV....
Quote:
If it's not done within the natural flow of the game, it cheapens the game. Robinson got a cheapened scoring title that year, bottom line.
Full of shit much?
Does it bother you knowing that you are attempting to argue based entirely on...your ass?
Quote:
Like I already said, I'm not interested in trying to detract from how great Robinson was. I really like him alot and thought he was great. But if I'm building a team and I have my choice between Robinson or Shaq at center, I'm taking Shaq every time.
Better not...if you're Orlando...you might just wind up royally fucked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
What about every other year?
And the Spurs were never listed as NBA champions in any year until Tim Duncan came aboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I can't believe I'm defending Shaq but it is clear that Shaq is better career wise than David Robinson. Any non homer would see it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
And to think...Mario Elie had the balls to call them soft that year.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...97/ai_20454706Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
one of a few articles i've found about it. Not wikipedia. that one was written in 1998. if you'd like more i'll post them.
There's even an article written in Robinson's own words saying that the entire focus of the Spurs game was to put the scoring title out of reach for Shaq. And if the team is napping the entire game and then starts foul in the end to lengthen the game, 17 fouls could be alot. like i said, a cheap way to get the scoring title.
Again, I was always a big fan of Robinson, so being in a debate where I'm trying to criticize him isn't exactly something I want to do. But whatever.