Can Manu be considered an AS?

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03-09-2007
SequSpur

Re: Can Manu be considered an AS?

Argentina is South America, so ya.. hispanic.
03-09-2007
SRJ

Re: Can Manu be considered an AS?

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Originally Posted by powerpower

he better not waste it on the regular season...we need him for the playoffs

The Spurs play as a team has risen along with Manu's individual play. I don't think that's wasteful, and if you "dial it down" to try and line everything up for the playoffs, it may not work out. The 2005 Indianapolis Colts started resting people in week 15 that year, so when their playoff game came around about a month later they weren't sharp.

I don't believe in "peaking at the right time" - the history of the NBA is dominated by teams who won throughout the year. For every 1995 Rockets or 2006 Heat, there are eight or nine championship teams that won 58-60 games.
03-09-2007
ALVAREZ6

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He can be considered a championship (of all sorts) winner. And this year, he will add another.
03-10-2007
WalterBenitez

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Originally Posted by Aikita

Who cares?

Realmente me importa tres carajos(nada encontra tuya semagol). Playoff performance is what really matters.
95% AS watch NBA Finals on TV.

Oh man, I was ready to answer but ... that facts killed me ... still thinking that you could be rigth! :oops

Manu being considered AS ... come on .. I'd love he had been this year, but he wasn't ... the rest is pure anecdote ...

You know SA is small market, not sure ever will have 3 in ASG so TD, TP are locked ... Manu probably could run for sth else, but there's no space for him in the show ... IMHO :wakeup
03-10-2007
SRJ

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Originally Posted by Aikita

Who cares?

Realmente me importa tres carajos(nada encontra tuya semagol). Playoff performance is what really matters.
95% AS watch NBA Finals on TV.

Since All-Star play began in 1951, 23% of All-Stars have played in the Finals, although, when counting the last 10 All-Star games (remember, no game in 1999), that figure has dipped to 13%.
03-10-2007
powerpower

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it's fine with me...he can have a finals mvp instead as game
03-10-2007
xcoriate

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I think the original point was that only 5% play in the finals each year with the remaining watching from home.

Pretty interesting stat though.
03-10-2007
powerpower

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_y..._am&prov=getty

manu looks funny on that picture .
03-10-2007
Martin R

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what does it take to be an ALL STAR ?

- Only people who knows about basketball can vote?
No, everybody can vote, even if you don't know how many players you need to have on court.

- Can little kids vote ?
Yes. All you need is a PC/laptop with Internet.

- Is it neccessary a JUSTIFICATION for your vote ?
No, it isn't.

Then, I don't think this is really a basketball contest. This is BUSINESS.

All we need here is to spend some money on MEDIA to get Manu to the covers of the magazines and to the journalist corners.

There you have an "ALL STAR".

M
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

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Originally Posted by powerpower

it's fine with me...he can have a finals mvp instead as game

that´s even more unlikely tham the ASG.If they didn´t give it to him in the 05 finals,I really think he has no chance at all to accumplish such a thing.Unless he averages 35 ppg 10 rpg ,or something like that.
03-10-2007
powerpower

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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan

that´s even more unlikely tham the ASG.If they didn´t give it to him in the 05 finals,I really think he has no chance at all to accumplish such a thing.Unless he averages 35 ppg 10 rpg ,or something like that.

i think that he has a chance if he is healthy and averages about 27 ppg and 7-8 rpg ... he will get it....and of course if he has those end of the game plays getting a rebound ot scoring or making a steal at the end of a game or just being Manu
(we can't predict anything especially when we are talking about Manu) Guess what Manu playoffs 07 might be even better than the one in 05 :))) Hopefully not the opposite :P
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

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Originally Posted by Martin R

what does it take to be an ALL STAR ?

- Only people who knows about basketball can vote?
No, everybody can vote, even if you don't know how many players you need to have on court.

- Can little kids vote ?
Yes. All you need is a PC/laptop with Internet.

- Is it neccessary a JUSTIFICATION for your vote ?
No, it isn't.

Then, I don't think this is not really a basketball contest. This is BUSINESS.

All we need here is to spend some money on MEDIA to get Manu to the covers of the magazines and to the journalist corners.

There you have an "ALL STAR".

M

That´s one of many reazon why Yao gets some many freaking votes.(China is the most populated country in the freaking world)
03-10-2007
Dartherus

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Originally Posted by powerpower

i think that he has a chance if he is healthy and averages about 27 ppg and 7-8 rpg ... he will get it....and of course if he has those end of the game plays getting a rebound ot scoring or making a steal at the end of a game or just being Manu
(we can't predict anything especially when we are talking about Manu) Guess what Manu playoffs 07 might be even better than the one in 05 :))) Hopefully not the opposite :P

You're right, besides, in 05 Playoff, Manu lost to Duncan 4-6 in the votes, it wasn't an unanimous decision, it was almost a shared MVP.

So if manu doesn't get injured (as happened back then in the thrid game against Detroit) and his stats are not harmed, he could get an MVP.
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

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Originally Posted by Dartherus

You're right, besides, in 05 Playoff, Manu lost to Duncan 4-6 in the votes, it wasn't an unanimous decision, it was almost a shared MVP.

So if manu doesn't get injured (as happened back then in the thrid game against Detroit) and his stats are not harmed, he could get an MVP.

what i was trying to say was that he would have to go out of his mind and play Jordanlike in order to get it,otherwise they wont give it to him,even if he deserves it more tham others(like in 05)
03-10-2007
TMTTRIO

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what's the chance that Manu will win the 6th Man of the Year award. I hope he does because he really deserves and I hope he gets it but I'm afraid that they'll pick Barbosa (with similar stats) to win it.
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

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If he keeps on coming from the bench he has a big chance.I think I´ll be between Manu,Gordon and Leandro B.
03-10-2007
Dartherus

Re: Can Manu be considered an AS?

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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan

what i was trying to say was that he would have to go out of his mind and play Jordanlike in order to get it,otherwise they wont give it to him,even if he deserves it more tham others(like in 05)

Did you read about 4 for manu - 6 for Tim vote for MVP back then?

He was about to be a co-mvp, depite having 18.7 ppg and Duncan having great numbers....

That's the point, there wasn't a 'conspiration' against him, he was about to equal Duncan voting, and if he hadn't injured, it's almost impossible that he wouldn't have gotten a few more votes.

what's the basis then for saying 'otherwise they wont give it to him' if you saw a 4-6 vote back then?
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

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This is and old discussion in this forum.(cause we have talked about it and everybody laughs when I say manu deserved it more tham Tim).
But its just my opinion,I really think that manu has a small edge over Timmy in the finals,considering game 1 ,2 and 7,and the stats also.
And as far as voting,I know it was 4 to 6,but it could be all the way around and wouldn´t been far from reality.I don´t see why not.
03-10-2007
Kori Ellis

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Originally Posted by TMTTRIO

what's the chance that Manu will win the 6th Man of the Year award. I hope he does because he really deserves and I hope he gets it but I'm afraid that they'll pick Barbosa (with similar stats) to win it.

They might pick Barbosa or David Lee. People still think of Manu as a starter in their heads, so I'm not sure if that will influence the voting. If he keeps up the pace of February, I would think he has a great shot.
03-10-2007
Kori Ellis

Re: Can Manu be considered an AS?

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Originally Posted by Martin R

what does it take to be an ALL STAR ?

- Only people who knows about basketball can vote?
No, everybody can vote, even if you don't know how many players you need to have on court.

- Can little kids vote ?
Yes. All you need is a PC/laptop with Internet.

- Is it neccessary a JUSTIFICATION for your vote ?
No, it isn't.

Then, I don't think this is not really a basketball contest. This is BUSINESS.

All we need here is to spend some money on MEDIA to get Manu to the covers of the magazines and to the journalist corners.

There you have an "ALL STAR".

M

Well yes, to make him a starter. But he could be picked by the coaches as a reserve. If he would have been playing early in the year like he is now, I'm sure he would have been as a reserve.
03-10-2007
T Park

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Yeah Lee for the fact hes in New York, or Barbosa, one of the league's darling teams, will get the nod before Ginobili, agreed Kori.
03-10-2007
Kori Ellis

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Originally Posted by T Park

Yeah Lee for the fact hes in New York, or Barbosa, one of the league's darling teams, will get the nod before Ginobili, agreed Kori.

Barbosa's numbers are very similar to Manu - so I don't think I'd complain much if he got it. Lee - 11 boards in 30 mpg is pretty damn good.
03-10-2007
powerpower

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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan

This is and old discussion in this forum.(cause we have talked about it and everybody laughs when I say manu deserved it more tham Tim).
But its just my opinion,I really think that manu has a small edge over Timmy in the finals,considering game 1 ,2 and 7,and the stats also.
And as far as voting,I know it was 4 to 6,but it could be all the way around and wouldn´t been far from reality.I don´t see why not.

in 05, i thought that manu was the MVP b/c he HAS all around game... he does everything he possibly can to win a game ANYTHING
Manu is going to kill himself if that what it takes to win a game ....he has the will of a champion
03-10-2007
SRJ

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Originally Posted by xcoriate

I think the original point was that only 5% play in the finals each year with the remaining watching from home.

Pretty interesting stat though.

I understood the original point, and it's possible I didn't explain the statistic very well. I'll try again.

In a given year, 23% of the All-Star rosters will go on to play in the Finals, although over the last ten All-Star games that percentage has dropped to 13%. To use hypothetical examples, in year "X" three of the twenty-four selections went on to play in the Finals (12.5%), while in year "Y" it was five out of twenty-five (20%), and so on. The average since All-Star play began was 23%.

I think the way I explained it before, it looked like 23% of everyone who made at least one All-Star team played in the Finals at some point. Sorry about the confusion.

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